I'm 21 yo and into mixed martial arts. I plan on fighting no holds barred and do jiu jitsu/ muay thai regularly. I'm about 6'1" and 210 lbs right now but would probly get down around 195 in fighting shape. I want to be at 205 when i'm infighting shape (which means having been on a strict diet and excessive grappling/cardio every day for a long time). WHAT IS A GOOD CYCLE FOR SOMEONE DOING MMA AND NO HOLDS BARRED FIGHTING? I've heard alot of contradicting stuff out there and am looking for some clarification. thanks guys.
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What's a good cycle for MMA
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You should always use a base of Test Cyp or Test Enanth. Depending on your experience somewhere in the range of 300-500 mgs per wk. Since you want to keep your bodyweight down you dont want to use hi aromatizing AAS such as Anadrol or Dbol so I would go with EQ at approx 400-600 mgs per wk. Run this cycle for 10 wks. You can also use Tren which will make you meaner than a pitbull IMO. For Tren A go with 100 mgs eod OR Tren E 150-200 mgs twice per wk.....totalling 300 -400 mgs per wk. The Tren will keep you nice and lean even if your diet is not super clean. Hope this helps.
Test 300-500 mgs 10 weeks
EQ 400-600 mgs 10 weeks OR
Tren A or Tren E 300-400 mgs 10 wks
Test 300-500 mgs 10 weeks
EQ 400-600 mgs 10 weeks OR
Tren A or Tren E 300-400 mgs 10 wks
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Grizzly
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That's a horrendous cycle for MMA. Tren will kill your gas. It did mine, anyhow. As soon as I dropped down to just test, my gas went way up. I'd advise what I sent in reply to your PM. Whatever you choose, just keep your doses really light. Whatever people on the boards are using, cut that in a third. Hell, most of the bodybuilders on the boards should be using half of what they are.
Deacon
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Grizzly said:
I agree 100%
stevemac
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iceman7mc said:
This can be tough, and it can effect what weight you want to come in. Personally I would imagine test prop+winstol. This will keep you lean and mean. take some glucosamine for potential joint stiffness or pain. Honestly I don't think steroids are the best thing for MMA depending on your style, it's not gonna help and sometimes hinders you. I know I have a friend who is currently training for MMA competition at the end of this month, a few months ago he started a cycle of test but it slowed him down so he quit it. I do think prop+winny will keep your speed and keep you lean though. but listen to the other guys first, they be smart fellas.
I know i can get access to test prop. and winny. I know the winny is tough on your joints , but lke i said i'd be doing a light probably 10 week cycle. I would also go light on the submissions while takin the winstrol. I'm thinkin 70-8o mg test eod and unsure of how i wanna divide up the winny. I have 20 cc of it (winny) and dont really wanna use more unless i have to. any advice?
stevemac
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iceman7mc said:
The glucosamine will help with the joints as far as winny, you can buy that pretty much anywhere as it is a supplement. I would take the prop 100mg EOD and 50-100mg of winny with it EOD. Preferably 50mg ED though for the winny. Winny will get you hard and may help with your speed, also help with retaining water not that that would be much of a problem with propinate. Winny is what ben johnson took to win the gold medal in the olympics, and what fernando vargas took in his fight vs dela hoya (he lost though) and looked ripped like enver before. In MMA it's hard not to get injured sometime during training so just be extra aware of this while on a cycle.
After doing a lot of research this is what i think my cycle will look like:
Week 1
50 mg test prop x 4 times = 200mg
50 mg eq prop x 4 times = 200 mg
50 mg winstrol x 4 times= 200 mg
week 2-8 (or 10)
50 mg test prop x 3 times = 150mg
50 mg eq prop x 3 times = 150 mg
50 mg winstrol x 3times= 150 mg
please feel free to critique.
Week 1
50 mg test prop x 4 times = 200mg
50 mg eq prop x 4 times = 200 mg
50 mg winstrol x 4 times= 200 mg
week 2-8 (or 10)
50 mg test prop x 3 times = 150mg
50 mg eq prop x 3 times = 150 mg
50 mg winstrol x 3times= 150 mg
please feel free to critique.
stevemac
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I would go with 100mg prop EOD, and not 50mg... everything else looks ok, 8 week cycle might be better for you then a 10 also.
I've decided no matter what i do, It will be a max total of 600mg/week total. Im debating on gettin rid of the winny and doubling the test....the combinations i can go with for all relatively same price are
1)1000mg winny,1000 mg test, 2000 mg eq
divided over 8 weeks: 125mgtest/week, 125mgwinny/week, 250mgeq/week
2)2000mg test, 2000 mg eq, 500 mg winny
divided over 8 weeks: 250mgtest/week, 75mgwinny/week (or 125/wk for last 4 weeks), 250mgEQ/week
3)2000mg test, 4000mg eq
divided over 8 weeks: 250 mgtest/week, 500mgEQ/week (or to keep it under 600 total/week- 350mg eq and use left over EQ alon for last two weeks or first 2 maybe.
I'm getting closer to a final plansuggestions / critiques please.
1)1000mg winny,1000 mg test, 2000 mg eq
divided over 8 weeks: 125mgtest/week, 125mgwinny/week, 250mgeq/week
2)2000mg test, 2000 mg eq, 500 mg winny
divided over 8 weeks: 250mgtest/week, 75mgwinny/week (or 125/wk for last 4 weeks), 250mgEQ/week
3)2000mg test, 4000mg eq
divided over 8 weeks: 250 mgtest/week, 500mgEQ/week (or to keep it under 600 total/week- 350mg eq and use left over EQ alon for last two weeks or first 2 maybe.
I'm getting closer to a final plansuggestions / critiques please.
stevemac
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you know, you know your body better then anyone and whatever you decide will help. Maybe you should eliminate the winny as the joint concern bothers me a bit to be honest with being in MMA.
Grizzly
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BRICK said:
Is that "I also fight MMA" as in, you've actually stood in a ring/cage across from another grownass man who intends to do real, bodily harm in earnest and the collected X amount of cash at the end of the night and have a verifiable record in the FCF database? Or is that "I also fight MMA" as in, sometimes I go into the gym and fuck around a few nights a week, aka TRAIN MMA.
Because, I assure you, the former is a completely different world. In the PM we talked about the time I used 250mg test and 400mg EQ. I was the man in the gym. But the gym is virtually nothing like a real fight. No one is trying to hurt you in earnest. No one is swinging for the fences. You don't strike as hard or as rapidly, which takes a lot more gas.
Point is, I was in the most fantastic shape in the gym, but in the ring the EQ was causing so much of a pump that I had to go for tons of submissions because I couldn't move my arms to hit him.
Deacon
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Grizzly said:
I tell you Grizz you sure are a poet at times
Grizzly
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Deacon said:
Published...but I don't know if my high school magazine counts for real.
Deacon
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haa haa LOL!!!!!
I agree with Griz about killing your gas. Several fighters I know go with some combo of EQ and test prop. Most avoid tren specifically. It can hurt endurance as can any jump in Blood pressure.
600mg/week is a good TOTAL dose...or LESS than this. Strength is good at 600-400mg/week and you don't gain too much weight.
I've seen halo added a week before the fight but it doesn't matter much IMHO. Var can be added too but most don't like this. I've used furazabol and liked it more but it's hard to get. So the only thing I'd add is Masteron. I like test prop/eq prop if available and mast prop
200mg of each on week one and then down from there. It's low but it'll give you a boost and won't kill your gas.
600mg/week is a good TOTAL dose...or LESS than this. Strength is good at 600-400mg/week and you don't gain too much weight.
I've seen halo added a week before the fight but it doesn't matter much IMHO. Var can be added too but most don't like this. I've used furazabol and liked it more but it's hard to get. So the only thing I'd add is Masteron. I like test prop/eq prop if available and mast prop
200mg of each on week one and then down from there. It's low but it'll give you a boost and won't kill your gas.
It is not intellegent to use AAS for MMA. My brother is an amateur fighter, and is a purple belt in JU-Jitsu, and steroids can kill your cardio and your ability to cut weight if you want to fight at your lowest and most stable body weight. Look what steroids have done to some of the current MMA fighters- Ken Shamrock is obviously on steroids, and in my opinion it ruined his career
Mark Kerr's Kidneys failed not too long ago and almost died- he was a notorious AAS user- he was never very good in MMA-good grappler though
Bob Sap- he is obviously on steroid and he is abosultely terrible fot how big and strong he is. He is the worst figher in MMA for his size and strenght
Think of other fighters- Steroid is not good for MMA athletes
Mark Kerr's Kidneys failed not too long ago and almost died- he was a notorious AAS user- he was never very good in MMA-good grappler though
Bob Sap- he is obviously on steroid and he is abosultely terrible fot how big and strong he is. He is the worst figher in MMA for his size and strenght
Think of other fighters- Steroid is not good for MMA athletes
Grizzly
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piercj2 said:
And now it's time to barbeque the fuck out of this guy...
Mark Kerr not any good in MMA? Are you fucking insane? He demolished everyone he fought. He won the fucking abu dabi! If(and I've never heard it) he had kidney failure, it probably had a fuckload more to do with his raging opiate abuse than steroids.
Furthermore, your lowest weight is NEVER your most stable weight, thus the whole CUTTING weight thing. They are losing weight, from their STABLE(read: easily maintained without effort) weight and then gain 20lbs of water....
You know what? Fuck this. You're clearly retarded.
Scrappy, my man! Where you been, dude? I thought you were dead.
Have you ever heard of Pride? Probably not, acuatlly of course you have not by your ignorant post. Mark Kerr has lost almost every fight he has had in Pride, which is the top MMA organization in the world. It is in Japan. He lost to Igore Vanchancen (not even a top notch fighter in pride) twice in pride due to technical knock out, he loss to Fugita and Heath Hearring. He has only had like 13 fights, and he has not fought, or come close to fighting any of the top heavy weights like Fador, Negerra or Merco Kro-cop. If he did, he would get utterly destroyed. He was decent in the UFC years ago, but fighters have gotten better, and like I said he was a good grappler- which accounts for his wins in the event you mentioned. You are the typical punk who does not know shit about mma, and just voices anger and unintellegent opinions on Online forums like this. You probably didn't understand half of what I just typed. He is 9-4-1 in competition fighting not even that great of compitition- don't talk shit unless you know a little about what you are saying
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