What's a typical Test C cruise on the high end of dosage?

[Malevolent666]

What's a typical Test C cruise on the high end of dosage? Without needing an AI and having great labs, despite a high/out of range Total Test and Free test.

Obviously this would vary person to person

 

[Avarice911]

You answered your own question

 

[buzzingonaas]

Varies from person to person but also varies based on where you’re at in a phase. If you’re a larger bodybuilder coming out of a long aggressive push phase about to enter a prep, and doing an 8-14 week maintenance phase, the mg would be much higher due to the body not wanting to hold all that weight accrued during the push

 

[Malevolent666]

You answered your own question

Yeah I realized that but just was curious what's out there. I know I'll find my own way but just want to see what the higher end of cruises are out there

For example, are there guys who cruise on 400mg a week, and have high test and high free test. All that without needing an AI and great health markers

 

[buzzingonaas]

Yeah I realized that but just was curious what's out there. I know I'll find my own way but just want to see what the higher end of cruises are out there

For example, are there guys who cruise on 400mg a week, and have high test and high free test. All that without needing an AI and great health markers

Short answer yes and there’s guys that cruise on much more. Do they need it? maybe some of them. Do you need to cruise on 700 test plus eq like a certain top 3 BBer does? no. Do you need more than 150mg test? maybe

 

[Malevolent666]

Short answer yes and there’s guys that cruise on much more. Do they need it? maybe some of them. Do you need to cruise on 700 test plus eq like a certain top 3 BBer does? no. Do you need more than 150mg test? maybe

My view on the reference range is its bullshit. For example if you can live week in week out with 2000 Total T and 1500 free T BUT don't need an AI, feel great and have great health markers. Why is that considered "unhealthy?"

To me you'd be living with outstanding performance

 

[buzzingonaas]

My view on the reference range is its bullshit. For example if you can live week in week out with 2000 Total T and 1500 free T BUT don't need an AI, feel great and have great health markers. Why is that considered "unhealthy?"

To me you'd be living with outstanding performance

Yes but if you’re not a professional bodybuilder and can maintain tissue on a much lower and therefore healthier amount, why wouldn’t you?

 

[Malevolent666]

Yes but if you’re not a professional bodybuilder and can maintain tissue on a much lower and therefore healthier amount, why wouldn’t you?

I don't know if it's been proven that being above their reference range is literally unhealthy

 

[buzzingonaas]

I don't know if it's been proven that being above their reference range is literally unhealthy

it sounds like you’re looking for someone to say that taking 2-3x a normal TRT dose is healthy which nobody will lol

 

[Malevolent666]

it sounds like you’re looking for someone to say that taking 2-3x a normal TRT dose is healthy which nobody will lol

Not all. But what exactly makes it unhealthy if bloods are good, and you feel good?

In fact they've lowered the reference range. Some Dr.s go by the old one because they don't agree with it being lowered

 

[PaintDrinker]

The perfect cruise for me is 120 test, 100 mast. More than likely won’t need an ai. Also gives you a slight cosmetic look better than that of 200-250 test.

 

[1Megaman]

The perfect cruise for me is 120 test, 100 mast. More than likely won’t need an ai. Also gives you a slight cosmetic look better than that of 200-250 test.

What’s your blood work look like on this? Test and free test?

 

[PaintDrinker]

Total testosterone 1100

Free 404

SHBG is very low year round roughly 14 right now.

 

[Mongo966]

Not all. But what exactly makes it unhealthy if bloods are good, and you feel good?

In fact they've lowered the reference range. Some Dr.s go by the old one because they don't agree with it being lowered

Everyone feels good until they don't. Blood tests aren't going to tell you everything you need to know about the state of the union. Testosterone does all kinds of shit in the body.
Just assume it's fucking you up. You'll be safer that way. Approach it with the "how small of a cruise can i get away with?" mentality rather than "how big of a cruise can i get away with?"

 

[PaintDrinker]

Everyone feels good until they don't. Blood tests aren't going to tell you everything you need to know about the state of the union. Testosterone does all kinds of shit in the body.
Just assume it's fucking you up. You'll be safer that way. Approach it with the "how small of a cruise can i get away with?" mentality rather than "how big of a cruise can i get away with?"

I personally think testosterone is good for you. In the 1960s the average testosterone level of a healthy military age male was 1500 plus.

There’s so much fear around hormones because doctors are taught that they are inherently evil.

I wouldn’t worry for a single second walking around with a 1500 total test year round.

I’d be a lot more worried about blasting twice a year with synthetic anabolics.

 

[Mongo966]

I personally think testosterone is good for you. In the 1960s the average testosterone level of a healthy military age male was 1500 plus.

There’s so much fear around hormones because doctors are taught that they are inherently evil.

I wouldn’t worry for a single second walking around with a 1500 total test year round.

I’d be a lot more worried about blasting twice a year with synthetic anabolics.

Well, testosterone is good for you. I don't hear any doctors are out there preaching about the inherent evils of testosterone. Most doctors approach hormones with a healthy level of caution because endocrinology is its own thing altogether. I worry about the doctors who aren't cautious when it comes to this stuff. It makes me wonder where they've been getting their information lol.

 

[Malevolent666]

I personally think testosterone is good for you. In the 1960s the average testosterone level of a healthy military age male was 1500 plus.

There’s so much fear around hormones because doctors are taught that they are inherently evil.

I wouldn’t worry for a single second walking around with a 1500 total test year round.

I’d be a lot more worried about blasting twice a year with synthetic anabolics.

It's easier to control men who walk around with lower test than opposed to higher test.

 

[lukiss96]

It's very individual thing. As you can see people prefer different protocols. As above some say that 100-150mg test combined with mast gives them better look, while I prefer to cruise on 200-300mg test only. Which is better? For me Testosterone solo at moderate dosages. For you? I don't know, you gotta find out.

P.S. I'm not recommending to do what I do. It just works for me. Find what works for you.

 

[Joetastic]

Everyone is different and all I like 1 ml

 

[lukiss96]

I personally think testosterone is good for you. In the 1960s the average testosterone level of a healthy military age male was 1500 plus.

There’s so much fear around hormones because doctors are taught that they are inherently evil.

I wouldn’t worry for a single second walking around with a 1500 total test year round.

I’d be a lot more worried about blasting twice a year with synthetic anabolics.

While your point is valid and I can agree on some parts. However, I will correct you on synthetic part - which all steroids should be categorized in to, even Testosterone.

What you meant is bioidentical hormone to what our body naturally produces. It is believed that Testosterone alone causes considerably less harm than derivatives. Is it true? Who knows. It's the most studied hormone so we know it's pretty safe, unless abused.

But blasting up to twice per year with derivatives and then cruising on close to trt levels vs staying on 200-300mg test only, I think the damage will depend more on that persons lifestyle, diet and genetics than anything else. Just my thoughts.