Eddie.
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Yes this definitely makes no sense.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
What's your current old man cycle?
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Yes this definitely makes no sense.
Fair enough... I know it sounds off on paper. But in my case, every time I drop fat intake much below ~70–75g/day, I start seeing signs that feel like low E2: mood flattening, libido shift, and a weird drop in skin hydration. Bloods haven't always captured the shift clearly, but symptoms track reliably.
Could be correlation, not causation, possibly tied to bile flow, digestion, or even reflux (which I deal with - dipped Copenhagen at 2 cans a day from 14 to 40). I’ve noticed when my reflux flares up, fat digestion and hormonal balance both seem to take a hit. Might be something downstream of fat-soluble vitamin uptake or cholesterol conversion.
Not saying it's universal, just that in my body, lower fat intake starts screwing with the system. I've spent the better part of the last 3 years adding and removing specific aspects and currently taking Digestive Enzymes and Betaine, helps a little.
madcap71
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Currently:
200mg test e
100mg primo e
100mcg T4
25mcg Proviron E/D
3mg Retatrutide
40 years old
200mg test e
100mg primo e
100mcg T4
25mcg Proviron E/D
3mg Retatrutide
40 years old
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Ateam2023
Member
do you have hypothyroidism, is that why you take t4?
I appreciate the thoughtful breakdown, you're right, and I agree: experimentation is key. I’ve tried ramping up slowly, splitting across more meals, using lighter proteins like chicken, etc. The easiest luck I’ve had is with clear whey isolate and light fish, those sit best. But once I go over ~190g/day for a stretch, I start running into GI stuff: reflux, bloating, fatigue, and sometimes a weird brain fog that lifts as soon as I scale it back down. I can hit 200 or 250 on a heavy lift day as long as I am prepared to suffer a little... which I normally will do (once or twice a week).
I’m lucky to live somewhere I can get fresh, pre-prepared meals delivered every morning — five per day is the standard. I order based on total calorie intake, and they’re well-portioned and nutritionally varied, which makes tracking effortless. I usually just plug in a little extra protein or carbs depending on training load, but overall it keeps things consistent and predictable.
As for fat and estrogen — maybe it's downstream of digestion or compound interaction (methylation, bile flow, etc.). But <70g fat consistently triggers low-E2 symptoms for me: mood dip, sleep issues, joint dryness. Re-adding dietary fat fixes it every time.
Not claiming it’s typical, just where my system lands. Really appreciate the detailed reply. I’m always tweaking and logging to refine as
I go.
Here is what I currently use. Best one I've found so far.
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madcap71
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Nope. Cycle is designed by my coach.
I've just come off a show prep where I ran T3 and T4 concurrently.
Cycle design is for a cruise/maintenance phase before I go back on prep
High but have been on medication since late 50's. Here is something people forget: Even if your body fat is fairly low you heart still has to supply all that muscle.
I have been bodybuilding hard core for 50 years. Total life obsession. Non stop. If I break a leg I am on crutches in the gym and training upper body, if I break an arm same with lower legs. After some surgeries I have taken some time off but not much. I should take a week off twice a year but even that I don't do.
I do keep my training to 5 days a week, but as high intensity as can. I did some pretty heavy duty cycles when I was competing, but never stopped training so I never lost dramatic size. On my baby HRT program I still weigh 235 (ideally should be 225) but the bottom line is my body was meant to be about 170 lbs and my heart was designed for a 170 lb body but has to supply a much larger body.
Do you get anything from the primo that you wouldn’t get just from adding more test and running a higher trt. Like 300 or so
That’s understandable. Wasn’t sure if you noticed better gains with primo. Thanks.
For many the Primo benefit is keeping E2 in check, plus the gainz
sinistral
Member
Keeps my SHBG in check too.
roofer22
Member
I've been counting down the days till I can blast again. Been taking care of medical issues not related to gear. Anyway down to the last two weeks, have my baseline bloods scheduled, getting ready to go!
Well I had a good ab workout the other day and blew out a new hernia or an existing one I had fixed years ago. I have an appointment Monday. I'm no dr but it doesn't look good. I expect to be told I need surgery. Theres no good time for this shit but the timing sucks. I was really ramping up to push hard.
Maybe the doc will suprise me with good news.
Well I had a good ab workout the other day and blew out a new hernia or an existing one I had fixed years ago. I have an appointment Monday. I'm no dr but it doesn't look good. I expect to be told I need surgery. Theres no good time for this shit but the timing sucks. I was really ramping up to push hard.
Maybe the doc will suprise me with good news.
Ateam2023
Member
is it umbilical hernia?
roofer22
Member
I won't know for sure till I see the dr but it's right above my navel. My wife's been a nurse 20 years and she said that's what it looks like.
I had surgery years ago for one so it may have come lose or something.
Exact same thing happened to me. Had one fixed, and the repair failed. So I'll be getting a mesh this time around. My doc says 6 weeks for a full return to lifting, which isn't too bad.
roofer22
Member
Six weeks isn't bad. I think mine failed but it's all a guess till I get some imaging.
