When should I increase Testosterone dose

[BawlsDeep]

rear glute spread would solve this issue

Determin the age by counting the rings?

 

[TrenTrenTren]

And the "clavicle" is what most folks call the collarbone.

In the pictures you post, I doubt that there was any substantial difference in the bones at all from one picture to another. As you build skeletal muscle on the upper body, it looks wider and thicker up top. There is not much muscle to grow down lower on the torso.

Since you have the muscle of a 12 year old girl in the before pics, any additional muscle is going to give you the appearance of wider shoulders. It does not mean you were experiencing bone growth in some weird way. I mean, look at a skeleton, and then try to figure out which bones would grow to create this shoulder width illusion, without also making you taller. Do it. You will find it's a little silly when you are looking at a skeleton.

I guarantee if you went on a 250 calorie a day diet for the next 6 months, that you would then think your "clavicle" width had shrunk, due to the change in appearance.

It is not collar bone growth.

This is what I wanted to say, but was too dumb to express it. Thank you Malf.

 

[Givemeroidsorgivemedeath]

I can't read 10 pages, did you join the Roided Goblin Club? What's your height?

 

[Givemeroidsorgivemedeath]

Before: No training age 17
Took Test/NPP did a recomp

My should:width ratio is 1.8-2:1 which makes it an elite level bodybuilding genetics frame. I could be as wide as David laid and tapered too because of the thin waist if I blasted enough tren.

Was a stupid idea to use steroids so young, I lost all the gains, gained fat and look like the before picture. I'm 21 and suffer from ED issues and am looking to get on TRT.

I'm gonna get back in shape as soon as I get out of the mental hospital.

But you're right, Clavical growth is #1 factor to a good physique and can only be widened in the teens with androgens or HGH. I could literally be a case study to the science that days androgens during teens enhanced Clavical growth and facial growth. Just measure the Clavical:waist ratio in the second pic and It will be 2:1 or more.

There probably are a lot of old school older dudes bashing you because they wish they started younger. Look at the facial gains too, I got a full beard as well.

I wish people understood it's 2020 and young people have pressure to take roids even though there is so much stigma. People buy roids the day they hit the gym, they run a gram of Tren ect ect. Better help this young man, hes been influenced by the toxic incel community.

The problem is that you never know what gains you got, since you are gaining all the time during puberty, maybe you would have ended up the same or "wider" or with more beard, who knows really, that's why you have studies with hundreds of participants and whatnot. If you didn't measure your clavices length maybe it's just the extra muscle on your delts.
I guess we will know in some years, who has more members, the roided goblin club or the gigachad's.

 

[Habib]

Where is your evidence that this is what happens?

If you experiment on yourself, you still will not know whether it happens, because you do not have a large sample size and you lack a control group.


You have NO idea whether your bone structure changed as a result of injecting hormones. None.

I looked very similar in changes at similar ages (back before you were even born) with no steroids whatsoever.

Again, sample size of one. Any actual changes in skeletal structure (to the extent that there WERE any) might have been the same without shutting down your natural hormone production.

I have 1" thick pink vertical stretch marks showing horizontal growth lol. Look at the pictures again.

 

[Astartes]

Yeah okay fair enough. At least I'm listening.

This was directed purely at the OP. Not you Habib.

 

[Habib]

This was directed purely at the OP. Not you Habib.

My bad, he said young idiot(s) so I got confused. I did the same thing though, but now I advise people not to follow in my footsteps

 

[Rido]

I have 1" thick pink vertical stretch marks showing horizontal growth lol. Look at the pictures again.

People get stretch marks from going to the gym and growing alone.

With that logic my brother who didn't workout. Has stretch marks on his knees. "Therefore not working out makes you grow taller"

Correlation doesn't mean causation. This s something you learn with age and experience.

 

[Habib]

People get stretch marks from going to the gym and growing alone.

With that logic my brother who didn't workout. Has stretch marks on his knees. "Therefore not working out makes you grow taller"

Correlation doesn't mean causation. This s something you learn with age and experience.

But we know for a fact his knees grew substantially.

Just like we know my clavicles blew up substantially because it has stretch marks.

We don't know why for either of them you're right.

But it was the same time I pumped my body full of roids at 17/18

 

[Isrrike]

Hot girls will fuck a fat guy with humour over some bodybuilder obsessed with looking at himself in the mirror all day and has a self absorbed mentality with no personality. Don’t do this for women do it for yourself

 

[Rido]

But we know for a fact his knees grew substantially.

Just like we know my clavicles blew up substantially because it has stretch marks.

We don't know why for either of them you're right.

But it was the same time I pumped my body full of roids at 17/18

Not necessarily. You have stretch marks because the skin stretched. If your Delta blow up and that area of skin Was the weak point it will tear and stretch. I got stretch marks from not using steroids and hitting the gym at 19 with no experience

 

[King04KID]

Hot girls will fuck a fat guy with humour

Indeed that is the most retarded thing I have ever heard in my life. Remember that male leanness in face is #1 most important thing in a man in order to attract women. They did a study on this. Being fat or ugly kills your chances with girls

Hot girls going for unattractive men? Hot girls who have unlimited options from better looking men with better status and money going for fat men because they have a good personality?


Deluded forum still thinks we are living in 1970s and the guy with the hottest girls wears a leather jacket and drives a Pontiac LeMans

Remember the pressure on us young men to be good looking is much higher than ever before. Women expect a good looking guy because of social media. U heard about TikTok and Instagram? U heard about Tinder where they can filter through hundreds to thousands of men?

Girls can filter through hundreds to thousands of guys in the comfort of their home and you say this? You need looks to compete not personality.

cya im out. I will be back soon with my insane face transformation pics by april and then lets see what u guys say. I hope it is not more bullshit like what most of u guys said in this thread

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

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Indeed that is the most retarded thing I have ever heard in my life. Remember that male leanness in face is #1 most important thing in a man in order to attract women. They did a study on this. Being fat or ugly kills your chances with girls

Hot girls going for unattractive men? Hot girls who have unlimited options from better looking men with better status and money going for fat men because they have a good personality?

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Deluded forum still thinks we are living in 1970s and the guy with the hottest girls wears a leather jacket and drives a Pontiac LeMans

Remember the pressure on us young men to be good looking is much higher than ever before. Women expect a good looking guy because of social media. U heard about TikTok and Instagram? U heard about Tinder where they can filter through hundreds to thousands of men?

Girls can filter through hundreds to thousands of guys in the comfort of their home and you say this? You need looks to compete not personality.

cya im out. I will be back soon with my insane face transformation pics by april and then lets see what u guys say. I hope it is not more bullshit like what most of u guys said in this thread

I got fat over the last year and have bagged at least 15 different chicks in the last 4 months that are arguably 8-10s looks wise.


I also should add some fattys are included in that list: maybe 2-3. Because they’re awesome.


It still sounds like you get no pussy and never will. You sound like an incel.

 

[M@NU]

it's pretty simple:
muscles will get you girls.
charisma, humour, respect, etc. will get you women

 

[Isrrike]

Lmao stick to reading that incel shit online buddy. Your shit mute personality isn’t getting you no pussy. Don’t go crying when you see the 10 at the club falling over the chubby dude who can talk to women and doesn’t give a fuck over a bodybuilder more insecure than a 16 year old girl during her period. Girls are most attracted to guys that don’t give a fuck and knowing the type of guy you are you wanna be one of those queers with muscles wearing tight pink deep cut v necks and skinny jeans am I right? Goodluck my friend maybe Grindr is the way for you with that mindset cause that’s all you’re going to be pulling with muscle. Trust me fella.

 

[Habib]

Hot girls will fuck a fat guy with humour over some bodybuilder obsessed with looking at himself in the mirror all day and has a self absorbed mentality with no personality. Don’t do this for women do it for yourself

@King04KID I'm on your side it's just it's 75% looks 25% personality it's not 100%.

Any relationship you will ever have will be based on looks, and it will never really be love. Makes me sad to think that you will never experience love all because you were influenced by the incel community at an early age or any age at all. Let me tell ya something, banging a fat ass is amazing but it only lasts a short while. But the feeling of actually being in love is amazing too. Getting butterflies and shit when you see them. I know it sounds gay, but maybe one day, date an average looking girl instead of a pretty one but with a great personality and just fall in love lol.

 

[Habib]

I got fat over the last year and have bagged at least 15 different chicks in the last 4 months that are arguably 8-10s looks wise.


I also should add some fattys are included in that list: maybe 2-3. Because they’re awesome.


It still sounds like you get no pussy and never will. You sound like an incel.

He is one lol. I got a lot of experience dealing with theses guys. Personality means so much more than 90% of people think. I was lucky enough to have a tiny bit of attractiveness but I pulled way more girls when I learnt how to talk to them.

 

[malfeasance]

I will be back soon with my insane face transformation pics by april and then lets see what u guys say.

Oh, boy, we can't wait.

Oh, wait, you never even posted the before pics.

 

[1tank1]

I haven't read this thread but staying on topic and answering the original question I would suggest adding in other meds at low doses before upping the test because the synergistic effect will be better than higher test.

That's my opinion.

Test is a great med but if you push the dosage it turns into a problem.

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

I haven't read this thread but staying on topic and answering the original question I would suggest adding in other meds at low doses before upping the test because the synergistic effect will be better than higher test.

That's my opinion.

Test is a great med but if you push the dosage it turns into a problem.

I HIGHLY recommend it.

This is the kind of thread we get once every month or so and I love them.