Who thinks DNP is simply too dangerous?

[bigrobbie]

I've never used it simply because of all I've read...I'm a Clen guy, but the shakes are murder lately....

 

[ChaseQ]

I don't compete, so I don't cheat.

What does over-dosing, on aspirin do?

Aspirin poisoning or salicylism can be acute or chronic. A single overdose may cause acute poisoning; continuous usage of an elevated dosage over long periods of time may cause chronic poisoning. Acute overdose has a mortality rate of 2%. Chronic overdose is more commonly lethal with a mortality rate of 25%;chronic overdose may be especially severe in children.[1] Symptoms may range from mild nausea and vomiting, abdominal pain, lethargy, tinnitus, and dizziness to severe such as seizure or cerebral edema depending on the dose consumed.

 

[Dr JIM]

Chronic ASA with a mortality of 25%? Don't know where you obtained that info but it's utter nonsense!

 

[Dr JIM]

Even acute ASA OD has a mortality much less than 2% providing appropriate therapy is rendered!

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Dr Jim, Ive read of deaths due to DNP and they have always been traced back to mega doses. (The ones Ive read about.) Over 600 people die each year to aspirin overdose. This is not an endorsement just my 2cc's.

I don't have the exact numbers but I would think that aspirin is used by hundreds of millions of people annually - worldwide. If comparable numbers used dnp, the annual mortality rate of aspirin would be minuscule by comparison, I'm sure.

Chronic ASA with a mortality of 25%? Don't know where you obtained that info but it's utter nonsense!

I've seen the 25% before - wiki, I think. It seems to be unsubstantiated. I remember searching at the time I read it and found nothing but a link to a website.

 

[Stretch]

I don't have the exact numbers but I would think that aspirin is used by hundreds of millions of people annually - worldwide. If comparable numbers used dnp, the annual mortality rate of aspirin would be minuscule by comparison, I'm sure.

Yes, of course.

I think his point was merely, if you have a brain, AND use it. Chances of death while using DNP are also miniscule. IF

Similar to aspirin

 

[Dr JIM]

Chase or CBS, If you can locate the source for the acute and/or chronic mortality rates of 2% and 25% respectively let me know. If it's Wiki, I'll ensure it's corrected or QUALIFIED, since I've done so previously.
Thanks
Jim

 

[charlesbroad]

My answer is yes, it is worth the risk, because the risk is low.

It's not toxic to the liver, kidneys, or cardiovascular system. And it's not tumor-promoting. The risks are from antioxidant damage (which is gonna happen anyway no matter how you burn the fat, either over a longer duration orall at once) or overdose.

 

[Dr JIM]

"It's worth the risk" because the risk of DEATH is low, some never learn!

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

the line between theraputic ddose and toxic dose is so close as Dr Scally pointed out. It also bears mention that the active life of dnp is long. Whats that mean well 250mgs taken today and again tomorrow equals more than 250mgs active the second day. So there you have it - some knuclehead takes 250 mgs monday and says damn i was fine let me take 400 on tuesdaay and from then on. Do I have to continue ?

 

[mands]

DNP is a hell of a ride! But oh shit it works!

I did as much research and reading I could do before making a decision to try it.

1. Know the pros and cons
2. Find a reputable source
3. Dont be an idiot
4. watch the fat melt off you...while you feel like hell

Dr Jim, Ive read of deaths due to DNP and they have always been traced back to mega doses. (The ones Ive read about.) Over 600 people die each year to aspirin overdose. This is not an endorsement just my 2cc's.

DNP is a tool in the box. Is it cheating...well fuck we are on a steroid forum, so I guess its a subjective opinion on what is cheating and whats not.

For the record, nothing has caused the dramatic results that simply a monster, dialed diet and training correctly has produced.

There are a hell of a lot more people who take aspirin than DNP.

Thought about the whole cheating thing as well. I totally agree with you.

I also agree with you that diet and training is key to significant and HEALTHY weight loss. Anything in my book that transforms your body too quickly can cause serious problems and lead to potentially dangerous outcomes.

mands

 

[ChaseQ]

Chase or CBS, If you can locate the source for the acute and/or chronic mortality rates of 2% and 25% respectively let me know. If it's Wiki, I'll ensure it's corrected or QUALIFIED, since I've done so previously.
Thanks
Jim

Jim, it came from wiki, so grain of salt. I was just trying to grab some basic aspirin poisoning info.

Point taken about the comparison of total people using aspirin to total taking DNP, and Im sure many of the deaths attributed to aspirin can be associated with suicide attempts. I was simply trying to make the point that in the hands of idiots something as benign as aspirin can be dangerous.

If I remember correctly, there was a study done back in the 30's where two doctors administered DNP to 100,000 people with few side effects. No deaths but there were a few people that developed cataracts. At that time that probably meant eventual blindness in that eye. Where its easily treatable now.

Anyways, thats just going from memory. If anyone is considering going down the DNP highway, my advice to them is take a long look in the mirror and ask themselves, "Am I an idiot?", if yes, journey ends there, if no? Time to start doing a lot of research. This shit can kill you! But so can fucking a stripper when the condom breaks...:drooling:

 

[mands]

I don't have the exact numbers but I would think that aspirin is used by hundreds of millions of people annually - worldwide. If comparable numbers used dnp, the annual mortality rate of aspirin would be minuscule by comparison, I'm sure.



I've seen the 25% before - wiki, I think. It seems to be unsubstantiated. I remember searching at the time I read it and found nothing but a link to a website.

Rolled over your post CBS. Sorry didn't see it.

mands

 

[Dr JIM]

CBS forwarded the citations to me by PM, I'm happy to post the articles once I access Medline.

 

[Dr JIM]

It seems one primary difference between the lay public and many learned folks familiar with evidence based medicine is that the lay public believes it much easier to generalize and simplify the results of research and those in medicine insist on a QUALIFIED answer.

Thus when someone says the mortality from ACUTE ASA toxicity is 2% I say were those intoxications considered "mild, moderate, or severe", what age range were the patients, how long after the ingestion EFFECTIVE therapy rendered, etc!

Therefore when I hear someone say most DNP deaths were the result of "mega" ingestions I say define MEGA.

Actually Chase I suspect your a pretty bright fella, but your fund of knowledge could/would benefit greatly by asking a broader spectrum of questions before you cite evidence especially from a study done in 1930.

Regards
Jim

 

[ChaseQ]

It seems one primary difference between the lay public and many learned folks familiar with evidence based medicine is that the lay public believes it much easier to generalize and simplify the results of research and those in medicine insist on a QUALIFIED answer.

Thus when someone says the mortality from ACUTE ASA toxicity is 2% I say were those intoxications considered "mild, moderate, or severe", what age range were the patients, how long after the ingestion EFFECTIVE therapy rendered, etc!

Therefore when I hear someone say most DNP deaths were the result of "mega" ingestions I say define MEGA.

Actually Chase I suspect your a pretty bright fella, but your fund of knowledge could/would benefit greatly by asking a broader spectrum of questions before you cite evidence especially from a study done in 1930.

Regards
Jim

I appreciate that. I think with your background and education you have a broader understanding and access to source material than I certainly do.

The DNP deaths Ive read about obviously have huge holes when you start evaluating them on a more scientific level. Ive read about DNP deaths where the individual was reported to have "large amounts of undigested pills of DNP in their stomach". Obviously this leaves a lot of room for interpretation. Dose, definition of "large amount" and the overall accuracy of what I was reading.

So me and most people are forced to make an "educated decision" on whether or not to take DNP on what we read, and honestly how we interpret the information available. This is really a catch 22 of sorts. I can argue, "Hey theres been thousands of people on these forums that have tried DNP and they're not dead!" Then I would expect you to come back and say, "Chase, dead people cant post on forums."

I will say I was around when Concilliator was deep in the DNP debate and I was open-mindidly reading all information that was coming forward. I made my best decision on DNP and I will say it went exactly as expected.

So in conclusion, my opinion, DNP is one hell of a ride, but it works!

 

[Dr JIM]

It works NOT and none of the "pills form" therapies are effective in long term weight loss.

While many of these "therapies" do result in a short term reduction of weight ABSOLUTELY NONE. are consistently effective at preferentially reducing total body fat over LMB.

Nope, in fact these weight reducing agents have an even better record at worsening the LBM/TBF ratio excepting perhaps in the morbidly obese.

Recall the drug combo FenPhen which was removed from the market because of the increased incidence of valvular heart disease?

Yea it "worked" also, but ask those whom used the "combo" after they had valvular heart surgery if the risk/"ride" : benefit/"works" ratio was worth it and "as expected".

The point, mess with fire long enough you will get burned!

Jim

 

[Dr JIM]

That's THE REASON DNP was REMOVED from the MARKET!

 

[idmd]

It is my understanding that protein and fat catabolism are always linked. You CAN'T have one without the other.

But I heard that from someone smarter than me so don't quote me....

 

[Pericles]

Tren is not even close to use as an analogy to DNP. Tren is much more pleasant.

The analogy was effectiveness at fat burning and body re-composition. Correct me if I am wrong, as I have never used DNP.

Test, tren, var, T3 and Clen along w/ hard training/cardio will get you shredded. Eat clean but get 4k calories in you should be able to get below 7% body fat w/ that alone.

Add some growth (legit) and you should get down to 5%.

 

[Dr JIM]

PC your a great example of what Im referring to since one of the reasons YOUR benefits would/could be considerably with improved LMB/TBF ratios, (if you ever used these drugs) is the amount of cardio YOU do.

Consequently, there should be NO DOUBT that's the best means of becoming "shredded". Better yet there is NO RISK, the results are often REMARKABLE and long lasting, especially when associated with a "change in lifestyle"!

I'm not suggesting these drugs (except DNP) can't be used on a pre-competition basis but in isolation they fail miserably, since most (if not "all") patients gain the weight back AND THEN SOME!

Jim