why are people asking sources to donate to AL

[Bob Dole]

@sin

I respect your opinion, but just personally see it from a different perspective at this point. I also was not trying to say that you personally questioned Millard's honesty or motives by allowing sources to not just donate but make very large donations. I was stating how others may personally feel about it.

 

[sin]

@sin

I respect your opinion, but just personally see it from a different perspective at this point. I also was not trying to say that you personally questioned Millard's honesty or motives by allowing sources to not just donate but make very large donations. I was stating how others may personally feel about it.

Well, I just hope that your perspective is the right one. Given the size of pharmacom, I don't imagine they will just close shop or start selling shit gear. Same for naps ( though they already do put out shit gear at times), I just want to take the safest approach. Either way, like I also said if the majority seems to see no problem with the way it is being handled then that is fine by me. I just want the best for our members here, but I also do not wish to go against the majority as even though they all could be wrong this board isn't meant for one person so majority will rule. Hopefully members will at least consider the possibility of my perspective on the matter and won't rush into purchases just based on a sources donations.

 

[Bob Dole]

Well, I just hope that your perspective is the right one. Given the size of pharmacom, I don't imagine they will just close shop or start selling shit gear. Same for naps ( though they already do put out shit gear at times), I just want to take the safest approach. Either way, like I also said if the majority seems to see no problem with the way it is being handled then that is fine by me. I just want the best for our members here, but I also do not wish to go against the majority as even though they all could be wrong this board isn't meant for one person so majority will rule. Hopefully members will at least consider the possibility of my perspective on the matter and won't rush into purchases just based on a sources donations.

I wish we could find more ways to make others donate, I am sure this forum has enough members that if everyone was donating even a just a little AL would hit the numbers each month, but it's just not happening yet. I have made a few meme's to encourage members to donate and make it even fun. I actually am working on something that I should have done soon that I think will be goofy and maybe get people to donate.

 

[Bob Dole]

Thoughts on this idea:

For every $5 or more donation to AL, one portion of her clothing will be removed until she is completely nude:

 

[jbeg1985]

Dude your ate up, thats great

 

[boodecarlo]

It's funny to me because I'll be reading a source thread & the source is getting completely trashed by someone. Then in the next post that same person is asking/telling the source he should donate. If you're gonna treat them like an asshole then don't be surprised when they don't donate. It's completely counterproductive.

 

[rpbb]

It's funny to me because I'll be reading a source thread & the source is getting completely trashed by someone. Then in the next post that same person is asking/telling the source he should donate. If you're gonna treat them like an asshole then don't be surprised when they don't donate. It's completely counterproductive.

I get your point, but pharmacom and naps have taken as much abuse as this board can dish out, some of naps have tested bad, and they still donate

 

[Sampei]

pharmacom naps got trashed a lot but they hold their ground and tried to do their best (sometime was not enough but at least they tried).

we still held them accountable for anything that happens, but at least they are giving a fucking hand in trying to make AL a succesfull project, can't be angry about it or not say thank you.

Saying thanks doesn't mean that if they throw shit gears we should just look the other way, it just means we appreciate the gesture, and btw they don't do it out of their open hearts, they well know that AL is a good way to make big publicity to their products because if they test well, they get more sales and if other brands test bad they get even more sales

I prefer someone like pharmacom/naps that use AL to make a sale then all the sources on eroids that bash AL as a corrupted project and try to smear it.

 

[boodecarlo]

I get your point, but pharmacom and naps have taken as much abuse as this board can dish out, some of naps have tested bad, and they still donate

I agree they definitely gotten beat up as bad as the rest & there still hanging. I do think it's way more a business decision for them than anything else. Plus naps has tested bad so many times I'm surprised they're even still mentioned around here, usually if a source has a couple legitimate problems they are run off.

 

[Bob Dole]

It's funny to me because I'll be reading a source thread & the source is getting completely trashed by someone. Then in the next post that same person is asking/telling the source he should donate. If you're gonna treat them like an asshole then don't be surprised when they don't donate. It's completely counterproductive.

I think you missed the point. The two sources this is applicable to (at least for me) kept bragging how in spite of Meso they have booming business. I called them out to make donations to show proof business is so good, that they could comfortably make a decent size donation.

 

[boodecarlo]

I think you missed the point. The two sources this is applicable to (at least for me) kept bragging how in spite of Meso they have booming business. I called them out to make donations to show proof business is so good, that they could comfortably make a decent size donation.

No I got your point but I honestly don't see how "calling their bluff" is gonna do anything. I mean we don't want them here but we'll take their donation. Plus I got more important things to look for like are the products I'm using of gonna use have any problems popping up. Let's face it the small sources are not gonna drop 2 grand to make us feel better.

 

[boodecarlo]

I think you missed the point. The two sources this is applicable to (at least for me) kept bragging how in spite of Meso they have booming business. I called them out to make donations to show proof business is so good, that they could comfortably make a decent size donation.

These conversations are the reason I love this place & stay around. We all have a different outlook & opinion but at the end of the day we care about safety first for each other.

 

[manafest]

Hmmm.. Sources that donate and their products don't get tested and don't expect to be tested means one thing.. they are donating such as a consumer would and there is nothing at all wrong with that.. a donation from anyone is just that a donation someone cared enough to give a little to a cause...You can ask anyone or anything to donate nothing wrong with that either they do or they don't..

 

[boodecarlo]

Hmmm.. Sources that donate and their products don't get tested and don't expect to be tested means one thing.. they are donating such as a consumer would and there is nothing at all wrong with that.. a donation from anyone is just that a donation someone cared enough to give a little to a cause...You can ask anyone or anything to donate nothing wrong with that either they do or they don't..

I definitely see what you're saying when you put it like that. I concur

 

[sin]

Hmmm.. Sources that donate and their products don't get tested and don't expect to be tested means one thing.. they are donating such as a consumer would and there is nothing at all wrong with that.. a donation from anyone is just that a donation someone cared enough to give a little to a cause...You can ask anyone or anything to donate nothing wrong with that either they do or they don't..

Sources still have incentive to donate even if they do not expect to be tested, the reason I've stated numerous times and you've even included it in your response; to seem like a part of the community, Or as yoi put it donating as a consumer would, in order to be seen more favorably and thus get more orders just for being good guys and people want to "give them a chance" ( yoi see this line of reasoning often with manylabs that haven't donated even) They are not donating as a consumer would as they likely have little interest in the quality of other labs, they are just not a consumer. there is an us vs them in this steroid business. They are not consumers for a reason. I've seen it mentioned by some that sources aren't even considered members here and typically we try to keep source posts solely to their own threads. Why do we do that? I believe it's cause they believe sourced only have their own interests in mind. What about a donation has people thinking the opposite? That's the part that is hard to grasp for me. When I first came to meso it was clear that the sources were not really to be trusted or at least always approached with a moderate level of skepticism. Call me over paranoid but I do not believe that any source here cares about the community in the slightest amount.

With larger more well known sources the risk they will up and leave or lower quality after trust has been gained is low, but there will be small to medium size sources that will be willing to donate something garner trust, get orders and send out nothing but oil if anything. Rebrand and start again. This is why we should be hesitant to praise them for such donations or the posting of one sources donation to a thread of another source as yoi are basically promoting them, whether its intentional or not.
Maybe the dangers will never come, but I know this solicitation of sources for donation has created new opportunities for sources to get our guard down.