Why do bodybuilders die more than powerlifters despite taking similar doses?

[Jucuvog]

when looking at cycles between bodybuilders and powerlifters in the offseason, they are quite similar from what ive seen. Yet very rarely do I hear powerlifters dropping dead, yet for bodybuilders its so common its really sad.

And this is despite the aspect that bodybuilders more often eat cleaner foods and take prescriptions drugs to counter the side effects.

As the most common form of death is heart attacks that takes diuretics and insulin out of the equation.

This is something ive always wondered as powerlifters take adrol like candy and are red skinned all the time while eating fast food.
Maybe just the fact that having that much muscle puts way more stress on the heart than the bad diet plan and higher body fat powerlifters have.

Thoughts?

 

[Photon]

This is something ive always wondered as powerlifters take adrol like candy and are red skinned all the time while eating fast food.

Why do you not like candy?

 

[shredded.lyfe]

Low bodyfat levels are stressful to the body.
Estrogen is cardioprotective (so imagine what lowering it does.)
Diuretics are stressful to the body.

Not hard to imagine why they drop dead now is it

 

[bananafeet]

Could be as simple as training style. When you do powerlifting you need to recover more because of taxing the CNS.

The CNS doesn't grow or get stronger. So if you take ephedrine or party drugs or don't relax enough you won't be able to recover and lift more.

Bodybuilders do pump workouts and want to get max stimulation for fat loss. So they take stimulants and recreational drugs more. Increased heart rate, increased fat burning etc it makes you weaker but makes you leaner.

Just a guess. I could be off. I've never been in a powerlifting competition. I think they only peak for competitions tho. This would limit the stress period.

 

[wp_375]

Powerlifters die all the time, just no one seems to care enough to write as many articles about it.

Powerlifters have all the same unhealthy habits bodybuilders have with the addition of abusing orals more, doing drastic water cuts to make weight rather than actually losing fat, generally having much looser eating habits and with some exceptions, (mostly in the lighter weight classes) not staying as lean.

People talk about bodybuilders abusing steroids, they need to hang around some PL meets. Dudes around here are like oh my God, my AST and ALT are 60, I need to stop this cycle of 25mg of Anavar a day! Meanwhile powerlifters regularly run 100-200mg of Anadrol a day on top of a shitload of Test and Tren or Deca and will be pinning a couple mL of TNE backstage before their attempts then snorting ammonia salts and blowing a geyser of blood out their nose during the squat because their blood pressure is 200/180.

 

[Slowww]

PL is significantly more niche. I think this Is the main thing. In competition guys also employ strategies that damage organs and do damage over time.
Diuretics can lead to injury and death.
Saying diuretics dont influence this is not true they can damage kidney, heart etc. and without close medical supervision, almost certainly do in many cases.
Powerlifters also abuse extreme amounts of steroids and often in the pursuit of strength use a lot more liver and kidney toxic compounds for longer. Honestly the PL I know are also less on point about gear and food, smoke and sometimes drink. We just don’t see it because there are fewer that are famous because it’s fucking boring to watch even compared to body building and the eyes arent on it.
Also I have competed in PL and seen guys that ive shared the platform with end up in hospitals after competition or out of it for various reasons.

 

[sim]

Contest prep for PLers probably doesn't compromise of reduced cals, bunch of orals and oils, clen, t3, diuretics, etc. Then there's the dehydration process too. All of that takes a toll on the body. Also doubt PLers so SEO or Sythnol.

 

[Slowww]

Contest prep for PLers probably doesn't compromise of reduced cals, bunch of orals and oils, clen, t3, diuretics, etc. Then there's the dehydration process too. All of that takes a toll on the body. Also doubt PLers so SEO or Sythnol.

Pl for sure take a lot of orals and some use water pills to make weight… even naturals will dehydrate & run water protocols, sauna, spit buckets and rehydrate after making weight. Plus halo, cheque drops, sarms, dbol, whatever drol with ephedrine and other stims on comp day. Some PL coaches will have you taking tabs of halo before every first attempt

 

[ackmack78]

Contest prep

 

[MadaFacor]

I think @Slowww is dead on. A lot more bodybuilders and also they are much much public. All these influencers pushing products, fronting supplements, trying to build brands (influencers) etcetera . They are much more public so we hear about it.

 

[shredded.lyfe]

Pl for sure take a lot of orals and some use water pills to make weight… even naturals will dehydrate & run water protocols, sauna, spit buckets and rehydrate after making weight. Plus halo, cheque drops, sarms, dbol, whatever drol with ephedrine and other stims on comp day. Some PL coaches will have you taking tabs of halo before every first attempt

A water cut done correctly will be the shortest period possible sitting at maximum dehydration.

Remember they only have to be in that dehydrated state for a maximum of 10 seconds to get their box ticked and then begin rehydration immediately.

Done correctly they should fluctuate a maximum of 10% bw in 24 hrs (both down and up with the final 2% being strategically executed right before weigh in)

Bodybuilders are sitting at a dehydrated state for much longer with the heat from the stage lights baking them for hours.

Not only that but they're most likely ingesting carbs without any fluids.

The weight manipulation used for sports is significantly less stressful to the body compared to the ritual a bodybuilder does.

Fighters are also again another breed beyond oly lifters, strongman and powerlifters. They can literally condition their body to the water and salt fluctuation due to their shorter weigh ins (usually a couple hours versus a 24hr).

Hope this helps, drugs are stressful to the body of course but stressing out your heart and kidneys is the fastest way to the grave and you don't need drugs to complete that.

 

[thejumpingsheep]

Im not sure this is correct. Its just a guess based on what I see and read, but there are likely significantly more body builders than there are power lifters. I would assume its a huge margin actually. If this is true, it would make sense you see more of them dying out.

 

[Lampenschirm]

Bodybuilder and Powerlifter do not cosnume (in general) same dosages.
Powerlifter (Strongmen) especially towards the competition are blasting like hell.
There came yesterday a german video where a coach was telling a bit. Especially insane DHT, Oral and Tren dosages are quite normal.

 

[malomkarom]

PL is significantly more niche. I think this Is the main thing. In competition guys also employ strategies that damage organs and do damage over time.
Diuretics can lead to injury and death.
Saying diuretics dont influence this is not true they can damage kidney, heart etc. and without close medical supervision, almost certainly do in many cases.
Powerlifters also abuse extreme amounts of steroids and often in the pursuit of strength use a lot more liver and kidney toxic compounds for longer. Honestly the PL I know are also less on point about gear and food, smoke and sometimes drink. We just don’t see it because there are fewer that are famous because it’s fucking boring to watch even compared to body building and the eyes arent on it.
Also I have competed in PL and seen guys that ive shared the platform with end up in hospitals after competition or out of it for various reasons.

Solid answer.

TLDR powerlifters die, we just don't care as much so the news aren't spreading.

I loved doing it but I would never watch a competition. It's boring as hell if you have no horse in the race.

 

[RockyP]

Big Paul over at Anabolic Bodybuilding has mentioned a PL friend of his who died while benching. Apparently the guy just had a love affair with Anadrol and took it nearly year round. Agree with what’s been said above. pLers die plenty. Just the news doesn’t get out. They take lots of gear, lots of orals, and in many cases eat total shit (followed by aggressive dieting and water cuts / diuretic use). On paper it’s much worse than bodybuilding. Even for super heavy / open BBers on contest prep before they start smashing orals their bloodwork looks pretty good. I don’t know when a powerlifter’s labs would ever look good. Blasting heard blasting orals, eating shit, getting fat. No break for the system.