Why do I hate unions?

[MANWHORE]

"fire them". Sounds nice, but it is not practical because the workers that fill some of these "lower wage" jobs are a dime a dozen. They all have the same mentality and work ethic...so you replace one lazy worker with another.

Bring on the Mexicans.

Again,we are talking about different kind of jobs. and different kind of people. Someone handling happy meals all day should get paid for serving happy meals,of course.

 

[Grizzly]

Well,if they leave you for 1-2 dollars an hr more then they aren't loyal employees unless they are getting the same benefits with their new company,in which case you may not have been paying them enough,which goes back to what this post is all about.

No it's not. Did you get hit in the head with a frisbee this weekend or did you fall out of your hippy van? This thread is about the disgusting, wastefulness that is Unionized labor. Get with the program and please stay on topic. LMAO!

 

[MANWHORE]

You dont have a fucking clue!!! Im union and you make more than me, how many times do you have to change your fucking shirt because its ringing wet with sweat,,, or eat your lunch on the way home after a 12 hour shift. Where your work area stays around the 100 degree mark,, hey man,,, fuck off,,

i don't know about the sweating but you just can't compete with the union benefits,pension and all the other shit they get. As far as the working goes,i believe you should have to put in the work to get the money,but like i said before,there will always be the slackers working the system

 

[MANWHORE]

No it's not. Did you get hit in the head with a frisbee this weekend or did you fall out of your hippy van? This thread is about the disgusting, wastefulness that is Unionized labor. Get with the program and please stay on topic. LMAO!

Yeah well,that's originally what it WAS about,but then it changed into Americans getting PAID! SHOW ME THE MONEY! That's my new moto ... And i wasn't playing frisbee this weekend.... Hacky sack

 

[MANWHORE]

MAnwhore,

As an employer, I can honestly say that the overwhelming majority of businesses, mine included, would LOVE to hire all Americans. Businesses would love to be able to stay here in the states and be able to compete with all the foreign labor around the world, but it just isn't possible.

One of the fundamental elements of a capitalistic society is free enterprise. With free enterprise, comes competition, which benefits the consumers. The American consumer is what drives countries to outsource or buy foreign material because they do not want to pay the high prices associated with American made products.

We used to buy a product that was made in Lansing, MI. Well, the EPA went into this plant and told them that they were going to have to put in about 40 fume scrubbers to meet the new EPA air requirements. Well, this was going to run them about $30-$45 million. The company said "fuck it, we are moving that division to Mexico". Well, $4 million dollars later, they had an absolute state of the art plant in Mexico.

We now get this product from Mexico OVER 20% CHEAPER DELIVERED FROM MEXICO THAN WE DID FROM MICHIGAN!!!!!! And the product is better in quality.

Did we want to do this?? NO. But all of our competitors were buying Chinese material and we were losing out ass in the marketplace!!! The consumer was going to all of our competitors because we were too high on price. Did the consumer want to buy "American made products"???? Fuck no, they wanted the cheapest price.

If the government is going to demonize businesses for outsourcing jobs, they need to demonize the American consumers for forcing businesses to look for cheaper materials/labor by going out of the USA. Convince Americans to by American, and you will see a decline in the number of outsourced jobs....I guarantee it.!!!!

And the easy solution is: "..well, lets place really high tariffs on foreign made/imported products". Well, you can't do that because then prices rise for the consumer and they bitch. Plus, it weakens the world economy, which is bad for our economy, and it creates a vicious cycle.

Greedy Americans .... Maybe we all should get paid like i do... By the job,then we'd all have to work for a living.

 

[Mark Kerr]

Well,if they leave you for 1-2 dollars an hr more then they aren't loyal employees unless they are getting the same benefits with their new company,in which case you may not have been paying them enough,which goes back to what this post is all about.

So basically your argument is that a worker is allowed to leave the company at anytime if they feel they arent being paid enough, but companies arent allowed to leave workers if they feel they are being paid too much (outsourcing)?

Little hypocritical, dont you think?

 

[Mark Kerr]

On a side note: In high school, I worked technical support/data entry at Lyondell-Citgo (the gas company) for $24/hour as a union worker (my best-friend's dad got me the job). Working 40/hours per week, even during school, I was pulling down $960/week before taxes. I thought I was fucking Donald Trump at that age!

 

[MANWHORE]

So basically your argument is that a worker is allowed to leave the company at anytime if they feel they arent being paid enough, but companies arent allowed to leave workers if they feel they are being paid too much (outsourcing)?

Little hypocritical, dont you think?

NO,A company can let a worker go if they aren't putting out
the work that is but im talking about people who are worth the money. Should a worker give 2 weeks notice if they are leaving a company because they aren't happy with the pay or the job in general?

 

[MANWHORE]

I'm not saying you don't have it hard as an employer. I'm sure if i had people work for me,i'd be pissed off at all the lazy workers i'd get. As a matter of fact,i supervised a trucking company warehouse for a few years and i know how lazy people can get,but i also see how many people want to work and deserve more.

 

[Mark Kerr]

NO,A company can let a worker go if they aren't putting out

Well, most unions would disagree with that statement, and thats part of the point of this thread.

 

[Grizzly]

Right. Every time a company fires a union worker, they are forced to take him back. Personally, as the owner of a company(if I was), I'd take my couple million I had in the bank and open something else and tell those fucks to go to hell and die! Go ahead, feel free to strike. Just remember who needs whom more.

 

[Kayz]

Benefits are a write off to you anyway and higher wages aren't so benefits work out for you just as for the employee.

True to a certain point, but when your insurance rates increase 300% in 2.5 years, you have to cut costs elsewhere. The first thing you look at is efficiency, and guess what?? Teh most inefficient piece of equipment is a human!!!

 

[Kayz]

True story. My best friend got hired on at Delphi a few years back. Delphi makes parts for GM cars and trucks. Delphi has a huge union.

Well my buddy, at the age of 20, was basically in the right place at the right time. He was hired on at $17/hr. doing nothing but driving a fork lift. Well, this was all fine and dandy except for the fact that some of the people who had been there for 20 years got pissed off because "THEY HAD SENIORITY"!!!

Well, they start fucking with my buddy hard. Taking his lunch, hiding his work boots, etc....just stupid shit. Well my buddy goes to his supervisor to tell him everyone is dicking with him and his supervisor basically tells my buddy "to go fuck yourself, you have the dream job here.......be happy and shut your mouth". Well they start arguing a little bit and my buddies supervisor spits in his face!!!! My friend, being pretty hot headed, broke his jaw!!!!

My buddy gets fired (obviously), but a few days later he gets a call from his union rep asking him what happened. Turns out some woman who witnessed the whole thing reported the supervisor for spitting in an employees face.

Within a week, my friend gets his job back and the supervisor is ordered to submit a written apology to my friend!!!!

Yeah, union life is good!!!

 

[MANWHORE]

True story. My best friend got hired on at Delphi a few years back. Delphi makes parts for GM cars and trucks. Delphi has a huge union.

Well my buddy, at the age of 20, was basically in the right place at the right time. He was hired on at $17/hr. doing nothing but driving a fork lift. Well, this was all fine and dandy except for the fact that some of the people who had been there for 20 years got pissed off because "THEY HAD SENIORITY"!!!

Well, they start fucking with my buddy hard. Taking his lunch, hiding his work boots, etc....just stupid shit. Well my buddy goes to his supervisor to tell him everyone is dicking with him and his supervisor basically tells my buddy "to go fuck yourself, you have the dream job here.......be happy and shut your mouth". Well they start arguing a little bit and my buddies supervisor spits in his face!!!! My friend, being pretty hot headed, broke his jaw!!!!

My buddy gets fired (obviously), but a few days later he gets a call from his union rep asking him what happened. Turns out some woman who witnessed the whole thing reported the supervisor for spitting in an employees face.

Within a week, my friend gets his job back and the supervisor is ordered to submit a written apology to my friend!!!!

Yeah, union life is good!!!

Don't know,if your siding with your friend or the union but i would have sided with your friend on that one. I actually would have like to see that one too

 

[MANWHORE]

Unions are like lawyers,if you have a good one,you can basically get away with murder.... Just look at OJ.

 

[Kayz]

Don't know,if your siding with your friend or the union but i would have sided with your friend on that one. I actually would have like to see that one too

IMO....they both should have been fired. That kind of behavior in the workplace is uncalled for.

 

[getswoll]

Neither do you unless you're over 100 years old.

Don't you find it repulsive that something as asinine as seniority determines your ability to take vacation, have nice hours, get over time? Shouldn't your attendance, ability, willingness to hump, etc. be more important than the fact that the lazy, cocksmoker who works the machine over started 2 days before you did?

yeah, It would be nice if the law of the jungle applied to the workplace sometimes: the strongest survive and get the best i.e. you bust your ass you get stuff

GS

 

[sc redneck]

Redneck

We spend tons of money fighting NAFTA and spent tons of money fighting FAST TRACK,,,what have you non union employs spent fighting this? Our voice can only be heard in solidarity. Stick together and lets TRY to get our plants running again, together. What do you want,, all manufacturing in CHINA and none in the U.S. Unions go alot deeper than what you think. Your holidays,,, workers comp,,,, safe places to work,,, If the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and fuck the middle class is your view then so be it. If that's the case then you will end up flipping burgers,, or owning the burger joint,, or washing the owners cars. WE all cant be owners,,, fast track did pass though,, thanks to Hitler,, I meant Bush,, These are the sighns of the times I reckon......... GOD BLESS THE UNION PEOPLE,,

 

[Kayz]

We spend tons of money fighting NAFTA and spent tons of money fighting FAST TRACK,,,what have you non union employs spent fighting this? Our voice can only be heard in solidarity. Stick together and lets TRY to get our plants running again, together. What do you want,, all manufacturing in CHINA and none in the U.S. Unions go alot deeper than what you think. Your holidays,,, workers comp,,,, safe places to work,,, If the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and fuck the middle class is your view then so be it. If that's the case then you will end up flipping burgers,, or owning the burger joint,, or washing the owners cars. WE all cant be owners,,, fast track did pass though,, thanks to Hitler,, I meant Bush,, These are the sighns of the times I reckon......... GOD BLESS THE UNION PEOPLE,,

Well, it was your "job creating machine" Bill Clinton whom all you union workers love so much that created NAFTA. And NAFTA has been responsible for the loss of many jobs in hte past 2 years....but we'll blame Bush for that one too, right???

If you wanna bitch about NAFTA, which I think is great for world development and trade, then look no further than Sir Clinton.....after all, he did "create" 22 million jobs.

But to answer your question, "NO", I don't want all manufacturing jobs in China......but then again, I don't want to pay $600 more for a furniture set because the "American worker" wants to make $45/hr.

 

[sc redneck]

Redneck

Whats up KZ,, your boy Ronald SR was the first on NAFTA,, When Clinton left office there were eight countries in NAFTA,, there are now THIRTY EIGHT COUNTRIES IN NAFTA,, Clinton fought to keep Mexican trucks out of the U.S but what did Bush do,, you got it,, let them in. Bush stood before the country and said outsourcing is a good thing, and then gives tax breaks to companies that do. As far as manufacturing there were alot more jobs when Clinton was in office. My company has cut almost 50% of the work force and production with in the last four years.. just read the headlines about imports bro,, this is not a good thing. FUCK NAFTA,, AND GORE.