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Why is EQ so hated?

Tmisatix said:
The way I see the e2 reduction in eq. It may be converting into ATD aka

1,4,6-Androstatriene-3,17-dione​

Or maybe another metabolite? Is eq binding to e2, similar to dht? Idk

There's also another theory. Think of how tren on a blood test will artificially show super high e2 levels. Maybe the blood test is picking up a low e2 level when this isn't the case. Honestly, don't think anyone knows the mechanism as we need more studies and research.

I'd prefer eq over having to constantly use AI's
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@malfeasance might know about EQs anti E properties!
 
Tmisatix said:
The way I see the e2 reduction in eq. It may be converting into ATD aka

1,4,6-Androstatriene-3,17-dione​

Or maybe another metabolite? Is eq binding to e2, similar to dht? Idk

There's also another theory. Think of how tren on a blood test will artificially show super high e2 levels. Maybe the blood test is picking up a low e2 level when this isn't the case. Honestly, don't think anyone knows the mechanism as we need more studies and research.

I'd prefer eq over having to constantly use AI's
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something about eq aromatizing into e1 instead of e2. not sure on the specifics.
 
fooba said:
something about eq aromatizing into e1 instead of e2. not sure on the specifics.
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I know what you’re referring to but I’ve never seen anything on estrone(e1) lowering estradiol (e2) and even if estrone is weaker, it’s still estrogen and may cause sides. In fact estrone Can be converted into estradiol so it wouldn’t really make sense
 
Tmisatix said:
I know what you’re referring to but I’ve never seen anything on estrone(e1) lowering estradiol (e2) and even if estrone is weaker, it’s still estrogen and may cause sides. In fact estrone Can be converted into estradiol so it wouldn’t really make sense
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I am a little over my head here, so correct me on anything that may be wrong (probably more than one thing).

You have never seen anything on estrone lowering estradiol because it does not lower estradiol. When using EQ, however, the aromatase enzyme gets "hogged up" (for lack of a better description) converting EQ to estrone, so there is not enough aromatase to convert testosterone to estradiol as quickly as if you were using testosterone alone (in which case all of your aromatase would busy itself metabolizing testosterone - with the result being higher levels of estradiol).

"It's still an estrogen and may cause sides." True, but estrone (E1) is a weak estrogen. It is not as weak as estriol (E3), but it is one tenth the stimulation of estrogen receptors as compared to estradiol (E2). So, I suppose it may cause sides, but probably not in the ranges of EQ that most of us cycle.

"Estrone can be converted into estradiol." True enough, but . . . there is always a but . . . estradiol can also be converted into estrone. This is WAY over my head, but it appears that the rate of conversion is higher from e2 to e1 than the other way around, meaning only that when you have high levels of e1, it is going to convert much more slowly into e2 than the opposite. Here is an experiment where they introduced e1 and e2 and recorded the rate of conversion. Maybe you can make more sense out of it than I can.

Metabolic clearance rates and interconversions of estrone and 17β-estradiol in normal males and females - PMC

The continuous infusion of 3H-6,7-estrone and 3H-6,7-estradiol has been used to study the metabolic clearance rate (MCR), the interconversions, and the red cell uptake of these steroids in normal males and females. The whole blood MCR of estrone is ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
steckdose0 said:
lolll gotta love steroid forums, a bunch of dudes on hormones taking the piss out of each other. i read a lot of good information on here but i also come here when i want a good laugh
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It has nothing to do with being an AAS forum. Some people are just assholes or have a piss poor attitude. Some of it is being anonymous knowing they can get away with being a dick even if they're a decent person in real life.

Go get on a mustang forum and you'll see really quick that exogenous hormones aren't what cause people to act like that
 
theotherguy said:
It has nothing to do with being an AAS forum. Some people are just assholes or have a piss poor attitude. Some of it is being anonymous knowing they can get away with being a dick even if they're a decent person in real life.

Go get on a mustang forum and you'll see really quick that exogenous hormones aren't what cause people to act like that
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driving a mustang and being on exogenous hormones is basically the same thing, minus the muscles. you ever met a guy who drives a yellow mustang/corvette? extra points if you have the stripe
 
Some guys have said that EQ doesn’t act as an AI on this forum but I firmly believe it does and used aromasin mid cycle on high test and relatively high EQ and no bloods to back it up but believe nonetheless I crashed my E2. Laying off the aromasin and popping Dbol like crazy and starting to feel better overall. I’ve also heard EQ vein gains are permanent don’t know how true that is but I’m gonna be a horse after 2 cycles of this stuff. Lmk if ya wanna catch a ride lmao
 
theotherguy said:
It has nothing to do with being an AAS forum. Some people are just assholes or have a piss poor attitude. Some of it is being anonymous knowing they can get away with being a dick even if they're a decent person in real life.

Go get on a mustang forum and you'll see really quick that exogenous hormones aren't what cause people to act like that
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I've been on a few and the drugs/supplements they have for horses/camels are intense.. big ug labs built around doping horses..racing horses.. work horses i assume only
 
If i have learned anything in my limited use of aas so far is that you cannot take anyone’s word as 100% until you try the compound yourself. It is amazing how different each compound can affect each individual.
 
Nipplelopolis said:
Since I know this forum is full of old members and new ones of course, I'd like to know why is EQ so hated?

I mean, I have never tried it, but been watching this guy Kai from youtube, he adores, worships EQ, quoting "if you want vascularity, rock looking, pumps, you should definitely try EQ"...... I've been reading in this forum and others and EQ seems to be the ugly duck.....

I'm not planning on running it at all....

Have you ever tried it? I've got this guy who's been doing it with susta, deca and dbol....
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That guy uses like a gram of Tren and looks like shit. Why take his advice? I honestly think his shit is bunk.
 
MrGTO said:
If i have learned anything in my limited use of aas so far is that you cannot take anyone’s word as 100% until you try the compound yourself. It is amazing how different each compound can affect each individual.
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I'll be taking that advice.
 
Forthewin1123 said:
It definitely added to my upper shelf.. at the larger dose.. I'm sure there is a better compound ..for me the eq works woth no real side effects.. it works for me..for now..
One of my best cycles to date was 500 test prop 350-400 npp and 1gram eq.. finished up with sdrol last 6 weeks maybe 5.. 18-20wk cycle.. I planned 16 wks.. but I was still improving and feeling good.. so went another month roughly....i felt good from day 1 to the end..
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Jesus how much oil was that?! 5cc eod?
 
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