Why Is HST Not "Pro" Endorsed in BB Mags?

[sergio mendes]

I don't mean to stir up flames for reading bodybuilding mags...I know they are mostly ad mechanisms and not of much use. But I'm wondering why this descrepancy: on this board, HST seems to be the way to go, yet in any given BB mag, all the "pros" have posted 6 or 7 day splits where they're training each muscle very hard once a week. How come HST hasn't made it to the pro endorsements in magazines and media? Thanks

 

[Phreezer]

I don't think you're stirring up flames.... I believe that you have a very good and legitimate question... Luckily for us.. THe creator of the HST program signed on as a Mod here. (Bryan Haycock)

Therefore, I think it best for him to field this question.

 

[Freddy]

I don't mean to stir up flames for reading bodybuilding mags...I know they are mostly ad mechanisms and not of much use. But I'm wondering why this descrepancy: on this board, HST seems to be the way to go, yet in any given BB mag, all the "pros" have posted 6 or 7 day splits where they're training each muscle very hard once a week. How come HST hasn't made it to the pro endorsements in magazines and media? Thanks

Most pros do second, or even third "extra" workouts in a day, where they train other bodyparts or "finish" different bodyparts...yadda yadda yadda.

What this means is that they are training their full body at least 2-3 times a week. However, the amount of volume they are using for this type of frequency is something that a reader of Flex magazine would never commit to (how many 90 pound highschool kids want to workout 3 times a day?), so they just don't mention the second or third workouts. Because these workouts never get mentioned, their "splits" look like they work each bodypart only once a week.

This isn't always the case, I'm sure there are plenty of pros who only workout each bodypart once a week. But this is ONE of the reasons you see routines like this published. You can't sell magazines if you recommend working out 2-3x a day, 4-7 times a week. But you can if you only say 1x a day, 4-7 times a week.

 

[Neodavid]

If they saw any money in it, they would, but if HST works (trying it myself), it's just way too easy... how could you sell mags? I mean, the reason they have all those articles is to keep you confused so you have to keep buying the mags and trying new suppliments.

I don't know how they sleep at night. My hope is a person can honestly be that stupid. I'd rather think they were stupid rather than greedy and dishonest.

I don't mean to stir up flames for reading bodybuilding mags...I know they are mostly ad mechanisms and not of much use. But I'm wondering why this descrepancy: on this board, HST seems to be the way to go, yet in any given BB mag, all the "pros" have posted 6 or 7 day splits where they're training each muscle very hard once a week. How come HST hasn't made it to the pro endorsements in magazines and media? Thanks

 

[DrMCM]

If they saw any money in it, they would, but if HST works (trying it myself), it's just way too easy... how could you sell mags? I mean, the reason they have all those articles is to keep you confused so you have to keep buying the mags and trying new suppliments.

I don't know how they sleep at night. My hope is a person can honestly be that stupid. I'd rather think they were stupid rather than greedy and dishonest.

Just remember, their goal is to sell magazines. Every month they have to fill up another magazine. This is not just BB mags, check out the financial magazines, they are filled with crap every month. Oh, I vote for greedy and dishonest.

 

[Bob Smith]

I don't mean to stir up flames for reading bodybuilding mags...I know they are mostly ad mechanisms and not of much use. But I'm wondering why this descrepancy: on this board, HST seems to be the way to go, yet in any given BB mag, all the "pros" have posted 6 or 7 day splits where they're training each muscle very hard once a week. How come HST hasn't made it to the pro endorsements in magazines and media? Thanks

There is some info on the HST site about a pro that does use HST, Boris Kleine (sp?). He is from Norway or some Scandanavian country and just won the Danish Grand Prix. Hes a huge guy and competed at I think 280.

 

[Ramstein II]

Review the theory behind HST. One principle of HST is that it is based on progressive loading without the necessity of inducing muscle fatigue. Loading without fatigue. Popular bodybuilding volume training theory (whether they know it or not) is based on the principle of hypertrophy through induced muscle fatigue and anaerobic endurance. The idea behind this type of high volume fatigue inducing training is to by-pass the neurological fatigue limiting factor. In other words, when you do say 2 sets of an exercise, you fell "fatigued." Your muscles feel "fatigued" but what you're really experiencing is neurological fatigue. Your muscles have much more capacity to keep going. Thus, with high volume and short rest periods with relatively " light" ie. 50-60% intensity, you gradually build up true muscle fatigue. Thus, this type of training is based on the idea that increase endurance = increased strength = hypertrophy. The relatively infrequent training is necessary for most because of 1. burn out 2. potential joint injuries and 3. potential neurological overtraining (or exhaustion).

I've had the pleasure of training in Venice and learning this type of training. It is a real art as well as a science. It's also just another way to skin a cat. Volume training has its drawbacks and its benefits. One tremendous benefit of volume training is that is very gratifying to some. You can really focus on the muscle you're training. Volume training also burns a tremendous amount of calories while training and probably even more after your finished training. THe most cut I've ever been has been from high volume training and little cardio (just walking). The drawbacks can include long workouts, many workouts, and sometimes burnout.

HST and other relatively low volume training programs have their benefits too. One is their simplicity. You focus on lifting heavier weights versus "feeling" when your muscles are "done" or training "instinctively." Other benefits are that heavy lifting is gratifying for some and the workouts are short. Great if you're pressed for time. Drawbacks IMO are probably mostly the calorie burn is not as great. Personally, if I train low volume, high intensity (or in the case of HST increasing intensity) I have a hard time staying very lean. That's just me though, since I don't run or do other hight intensity cardio very often at all. Also, I personally don't like training the whole body at once. I don't like going from one bodypart to the next in one workout.

I don't mean to stir up flames for reading bodybuilding mags...I know they are mostly ad mechanisms and not of much use. But I'm wondering why this descrepancy: on this board, HST seems to be the way to go, yet in any given BB mag, all the "pros" have posted 6 or 7 day splits where they're training each muscle very hard once a week. How come HST hasn't made it to the pro endorsements in magazines and media? Thanks

 

[Millard]

There is some info on the HST site about a pro that does use HST, Boris Kleine (sp?). He is from Norway or some Scandanavian country and just won the Danish Grand Prix. Hes a huge guy and competed at I think 280.

boris at Danish Grand Prix

 

[thick]

thanks for the post admin. looks like he is doing alright

boris at Danish Grand Prix

 

[Bob Smith]

Hes a big freakin dude. Just needs to tan his face next time.

 

[Desibaba]

What bryan needs to do is sign a well known pro to a contract.If that guy at least claims he does HST (even if he doesnt).It will get popular in the mags n stuff.Even though ronnie colemans uses such a high volume he still trains each bodypart twice a week.Also splits workouts into heavy/light.Sure its not exactly HST but its not the typical mentzer kinda workouts either.

 

[Ronin_]

Hes a big freakin dude. Just needs to tan his face next time.

lol what is up with that?

 

[Bob Smith]

Im not all that familiar with contest tanning products, but the HST thread said its a product that will take you from pastey white (like his face) to good color (the rest of him) in 1-2 treatments the day of the contest. Bryan said that it runs when you sweat, so people dont put it on their face because it will get into their eyes.

 

[Captain Planet]

boris at Danish Grand Prix

 

[Bryan Haycock]

I don't mean to stir up flames for reading bodybuilding mags...I know they are mostly ad mechanisms and not of much use. But I'm wondering why this descrepancy: on this board, HST seems to be the way to go, yet in any given BB mag, all the "pros" have posted 6 or 7 day splits where they're training each muscle very hard once a week. How come HST hasn't made it to the pro endorsements in magazines and media? Thanks

Here's a quote from a guy who's heard that HST is being used, but just not always admitted to.

"Chris Cormier's trainer had him on an HST routine [with great success] - possibly currently also... Tommi Thorvildsen told me this, and he's also implemented some principles of HST the last time I spoke to him at Gold's in Venice - after being inspired by my articles in norwegian"

For what it's worth, I don't advertise HST. Nor do I pay people to say they use it. I don't pay for endorsements. Of all the pros I've interviewed for articles, none of them used the internet and none of them relied on "training" for size. As long as a guy is still growing using what he needs to compete nationally and/or professionally, there is no need to worry too much about your training (unless you get injured of course). Now this isn't to say that if they really tried to improve their trainign that they wouldn't gain from it, I'm just saying that if it ain't broke, why try to improve it?

For natural guys its a very different story...

 

[Desibaba]

Here's a quote from a guy who's heard that HST is being used, but just not always admitted to.

"Chris Cormier's trainer had him on an HST routine [with great success] - possibly currently also... Tommi Thorvildsen told me this, and he's also implemented some principles of HST the last time I spoke to him at Gold's in Venice - after being inspired by my articles in norwegian"

For what it's worth, I don't advertise HST. Nor do I pay people to say they use it. I don't pay for endorsements. Of all the pros I've interviewed for articles, none of them used the internet and none of them relied on "training" for size. As long as a guy is still growing using what he needs to compete nationally and/or professionally, there is no need to worry too much about your training (unless you get injured of course). Now this isn't to say that if they really tried to improve their trainign that they wouldn't gain from it, I'm just saying that if it ain't broke, why try to improve it?

For natural guys its a very different story...

When you use the term trainer are you refering to charles glass? We are all here on a steroid board so i guess "natural" here doesnt mean too much

 

[Bob Smith]

When you use the term trainer are you refering to charles glass? We are all here on a steroid board so i guess "natural" here doesnt mean too much

Desi, what I think Bryan was trying to get across is that AAS users can get away with a lot of things when it comes to training and nutrition that natural lifters simply dont have the luxury of neglecting. And if the training program they are currently on, regardless of how inferior it may be, is still working for them in conjunction with their AAS use, then why bother changing?

No one ever accused pro BBers of being all that intelligent when it comes to training (or much of anything else, for that matter). People are really are smart, like Milos Sarcev, are few and far between.

 

[Desibaba]

Desi, what I think Bryan was trying to get across is that AAS users can get away with a lot of things when it comes to training and nutrition that natural lifters simply dont have the luxury of neglecting. And if the training program they are currently on, regardless of how inferior it may be, is still working for them in conjunction with their AAS use, then why bother changing?

No one ever accused pro BBers of being all that intelligent when it comes to training (or much of anything else, for that matter). People are really are smart, like Milos Sarcev, are few and far between.

I agree with you on that.For some reason i think when your diet and anabolics use is head on the gains seem to keep on coming no matter what.I mean i have trained heavy with those 20 sets per bodypart once a week kinda workouts where u take every set to failure and i made gains much better compared to when i was off and used Hst and DFHT. It does make sense if you think about it.Your method of training seems to become less important as long as you do train and train heavy enough you will grow regardless.