I give up. Next time you want to school us dummies, make sure you article doesn't state opinion where you have no clue what you are talking about.
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Training for Hypertrophy: The function of Intensity, Volume, Recovery and Injury Prevention
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BigTomJ
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Whenever you get tired of trolling bodybuilding forums and want to actually lift yourself.
I'll be glad to help you get started, Lifter
Check out my posts here buddy (outside of this thread). You are wrong again. I see that is a pattern with you though. You have yourself a good evening.
PS- If I ever needed or wanted a coach, I sure wouldn't hire someone with chix legs who thought he was a BB, signed up for 6 divisions in a local show against advice not to and then got his ass handed to him in all 6 divisions.
I also wouldn't hire the same guy who then decided he was a powerlifter, signed up for another local show and got his ass handed to him again.
You are 30 you say, you have competed twice. You have a lot to learn pal. I don't think you should coach anyone.
BigTomJ
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2 pages ago there was a guy arguing that drug doses mattered more than training efficiency.
Is that harm reduction?
Jin23
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Cool. I haven't read his reply's to you nor yours to him, so I have no idea about what's going, but the whole ordeal does look like unnecessary pollution from a glance yes ...
Anyway, nice to have you on board, welcome to meso.
BigTomJ
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Right, because 3rd in open classic and 4th in open heavyweight, knowing full well the various weekenesses in my physique out of 70+ competitors in those two divisions in a large regional show is "getting my ass handed to me"
In hindsight, I see your point. Apologies to everyone for my behavior. No one does or should care about BS from somewhere else.
T&H
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Well you're the one that started the BS with him. This won't be tolerated here so leave it alone.
Welcome @BigTomJ . Crazy thing is your article is pretty much what Lyle Mcdonald said in his Generic Bulking Routine years ago that I still follow. I have no problem putting on size when I train and eat to. 6 to 8 reps on bigger muscles, 10 to 12 smaller, 50 to 60 reps per workout, last rep at failure.
JackSkel
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You sound like you’ve competed. Bb’er or powerlifting? Are you still competing?
Not still competing. Powerlifter in my younger days. Nothing to write home about.
JackSkel
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What weight class?
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Just wondering is all. You made good points here about strength vs hypertrophy. They are different as far as training protocols go.
Nice one! Dude, you won't believe the amount of back-and-forth banter in the hypertrophy world when it comes to training to failure, reps in reserve, volume, and injury risk. It's like a never-ending debate fueled by pre-workout caffeine!The following is an article I wrote for UGBB, and i believe it would provide some value here as well.
There has been a lot of debate on the subject of Hypertrophy in regards to training to failure, reps in reserve methodologies, volume, and injury risk. From what ive witnessed is a lot of this stems from a simple misunderstand on what these terms actually mean in most cases, a simply outdated view on the topic, or an unawareness/misunderstanding of the current body of literature we have on these topics.
In this article I aim to outline and define these terms for the communities greater understanding, give an overview of the most current literature we have as it pertains to these topics, and dispel some of the deep rooted, for lack of a better word, broscience surrounding these topics leftover from an era where we did not have access to the level of information that we do today.
Additionally I will be outlining what these terms mean to you, the lifter with the goal of hypertrophy, and how they all fit together for you to make the most out of your training.
Who am I?
A lot of you already know me, but for those that dont, and for those that stumble across this article later, I'm Tom.
I am, at the time of this article, 30 years old, 6' tall, and 240lbs, and my best in competition lifts in the 110kg raw category are: 255/180/300kg or 561/396/661lbs.
I am a competitive classic physique and heavyweight bodybuilder, competitive power lifter, and coach with over a decade of training experience. On top of that I am a tremendous nerd that has spent countless hours researching all things bodybuilding and strength sports, and I'm learning more every day.
While this article will mostly be targeted for a bodybuilding context, there is a heavy overlap into strength sports and powerlifting.
For starters we will define the various terms in the topic of this article.
What is hypertrophy?
Hypertrophy is the process by which we increase the SIZE of muscle fibers within a muscle group.
This is accomplished through the application of mechanical tension. Mechanical tension is a term to describe load, over time, placed upon a muscle through a targeted range of motion. The more common term, time under tension, can also be used to describe mechanical tension. It is, in essence the stimulus required to drive adaptation. Through this adaptation, an increase in the size of the muscle cells occurs, this is Hypertrophy and is the primary goal of bodybuilders, and most gym goers.
Within a given set, of any given load, the last 5 repetitions before failure stimulate the most hypertrophic response, while the reps prior to 5 RIR providing very little hypertrophic response.
What is Training to Failure?
Training to failure is exactly as it sounds, taking a particular set until you cannot perform another rep, through the full range of motion, with good form.
Based on the most recent data available training to failure (sometimes expressed as RIR-0(zero reps in reserve), or RPE10 (rate of perceived exertion 10/10) produces the absolute most hypertrophy in a given set, furthermore there are two types of failure; Positive failure, which is the point at which you cannot complete another repetition in the full range of motion without compromising form. and Absolute Failure, which is the point that under no circumstances can the muscle perform another complete repetition, regardless of form compromise.
Training "beyond failure" is a disingenuous term and inaccurate, training beyond failure in an absolute sense, is impossible.
"Training beyond failure" through the use of drop sets, forced reps, spotter assistance, and other intensifier techniques do not actually progress you beyond failure in an absolute sense, but only allow you to get close and closer to true failure.
For example, lets say you are performing an incline dumbbell press, you fail at 8 completed reps, but are able to push halfway to the 9th rep before you lose stability and cannot complete the rep, this is positive failure. If you utilize a spotter to aid you in getting that 9th rep, and aid you even more for a 10th rep, you have used intensifier techniques to get closer to true failure. You are no longer capable of providing enough force to complete that rep alone with that weight, so the use of a spotter takes some of that load to allow you to progress through the complete range of motion, getting you closer to actual failure.
What is intensity?
Intensity can be defined as "proximity to failure". Intensity is NOT fatigue, it is NOT feeling completely wiped out at the end of a set or workout, intensity is NOT going balls to the wall on some crazy super set or drop set, intensity is NOT heavy weight low reps. Intensity ONLY refers to proximity to failure in a training context. Intensity can be expressed with any weight, in any rep range.
Intensifier techniques (drop sets, forced reps, partials, ect) are tools used to get us closer and closer to true mechanical failure.
What is volume?
Volume can be separated into two categories, working volume and junk volume.
Working volume, is the number of working, adaptation driving sets for a given muscle group in a given session. Junk volume is any non-warmup, non-workup set, a set which does not stimulate a significant hypertrophic response. Examples of junk volume would be; pump sets, any set not taken to proximity of failure, supersets of more than one muscle group which neither is taken to proximity to failure (super setting leg extensions and leg curls with neither taken close to failure). These are referred to as junk volume, because they provide little to no hypertrophic response or adaptation and only contribute to fatigue and injury risk. In other words, they are worthless and counterproductive for building muscle.
Volume, when referring to rep ranges in a single set, is Set Volume. For the purposes of this article, and when discussing the topic of intensity vs volume in general, "volume" is referring to number of working sets.
What is recovery?
Recovery is the rate by which you can regain full capability in a muscle group after training. Additional fatigue from either intensity or volume increase recovery time. Recovery can be defined, for our applications, as "The time it takes after a session, to be able to train that muscle group again at the same or greater performance".
The absolute best way to gauge recovery is through performance and progressive overload, if you are coming into your leg days and consistently performing less than the prior week, recovery is the culprit. Conversely, if you are feeling good and progressing consistently on a given training day, your recovery is great.
In order to maximize our training blocks, we need to minimize the time we spend fully recovered in between sessions, If you are recovering several days before your next session, than you have a lot of room in your training to either add volume (as defined here) or frequency.
It is generally better to increase individual training session volume (more working sets) to achieve Maximum Recoverable Volume (MRV), given that you are capable of adding more productive working sets to your session. If a single session is too fatiguing to add additional meaningful volume, then rather than falling into a hole of adding useless junk volume, it is better to increase frequency (reduce the number of days between training sessions for that muscle group
How they all work together
Now that these terms have been fully defined and explained we can move on to how these pieces fit together.
Hypertrophy is a function of intensity and volume limited only by recovery.
As ive discussed, training intensity on working sets should be a constant IE you should be training to failure or at least in very close proximity to failure.
If we think of this function like an equation is would look something like Intensity * Volume / Recovery. If we consider intensity as a prerequisite and a constant, that leaves volume and recovery as our working variables. Additionally we can assume recovery is a constant or at least relatively constant, given proper recovery practices (nutrition, supplementation, sleep, PEDS, stress management, ect).
So now that we have two relative constants that shouldn't change much week to week, our only variable remaining is volume.
If you want the most out of your training the goal now is to achieve MRV. We achieve this by titrating up and down working volume such that we are getting the most work in, but still recovering.
How to leverage your recovery periods to get the most out of your split
As ive touched on already, if we want to make the most out of our training week or block, we need to properly manage recovery periods such that we are fully recovering by the next time we hit a specific muscle group, but not spending copious time fully recovered, we grow as we recover, so any time not spent recovering is time spent not growing.
To minimize the time spent fully recovered we have two options, 1) increase working single session volume, or 2) increase our frequency. Both are effective options and one may be more favorable depending on the number of training days you have in a block, length of your training block, and individual work capacity.
If you are someone who leaves the gym after a session with no gas left in the tank, meaning it would be exceptionally fatiguing and near impossible to add more single session working volume to your training session, or if you are someone whos training is time limited, increasing frequency is your best option to minimize that amount of time spent fully recovered.
Conversely if the opposite is true, and you typically leave the gym with some work capacity remaining, and do not have a time constraint, adding a few more working sets is a great way to make the most out of your recovery periods.
What about injury risk?
A very common misconception is that training at a high level of intensity poses a greater risk of injury. This belief system is largely due to the misconception that high intensity training requires higher working loads in lower rep ranges. As stated earlier in this article, this is not the case, training with a proper level of intensity and even training to positive failure can be accomplished with any weight in any rep range between 5 and 30 reps.
There is currently ZERO evidence that training to failure intelligently poses any greater risk of injury, in fact the opposite is true. Higher volume training and higher repetition movements are a large contributor to systemic fatigue and common injuries such as tendonitis. Assuming proper form is maintained, proper load selection, and proper management of recovery periods, you are at absolutely zero additional risk of injury by training to failure than not.
Should we train to failure?
Based on our current understanding of the literature available, if you want to make the most progress out of your training, the answer is an undeniable "Yes".
It is currently suggested by the literature that hypertrophic response increases proportionally (and in some studies increasingly) with proximity to failure, with the majority of this response occurring between 5-0 reps from failure (some studies suggest 7-0). It has been shown time and time again that individuals grossly underestimate their RIR and are incapable of judging failure, without reaching it. Even for the most experienced individuals, whom train to failure regularly, consistently underestimate how many RIR they have. While training a rep or two away from failure has been shown to be effective at driving hypertrophy, consistently and accurately estimating a rep or two shy is a near impossibility.
For this reason, you, as a serious lifter, should be take at least some of your sets to failure.
You are at no greater injury risk, and while training to failure is exceptionally fatiguing, with proper rest intervals between sets, the overall session fatigue will be less than if you made up those reps with additional volume, which is far more fatiguing.
For example lets take two options for a particular movement.
3 sets of 10 to failure, yielding 15 total hypertrophy stimulating reps
or
5 sets of 10 with 2 reps in reserve, also yielding 15 total hypertrophy stimulating reps
Even assuming you estimated your RIR perfectly (which you almost certainly didnt) the 5 set option would be more fatiguing for almost everyone.
A Note on Effective Reps
As discussed in this article, we touched on how the last few reps before failure are the most effective
and driving hypertrophy according to the current literature.
@BigBaldBeardGuy (UGBB) has provided a great breakdown on force production and why this is the case
A note on motor unit recruitment and neurology.
@BRICKS (UGBB) provided some very useful insight and additional context on the subject of neurology and motor recruitment.
I hope this article clears up a lot of the confusion and misconceptions regarding these various terms and the topic of hypertrophy and that folks find it useful.
Sources directly cited, referenced, or used in this article.
Maximizing Muscle Hypertrophy: A Systematic Review of Advanced Resistance Training Techniques and Methods. Int J Environ Res Public Health. 2019 Dec 4;16(24):4897. doi: 10.3390/ijerph16244897. PMID: 31817252; PMCID: PMC6950543.
Maximizing Muscle Hypertrophy: A Systematic Review of Advanced Resistance Training Techniques and Methods - PMC
Background: Effective hypertrophy-oriented resistance training (RT) should comprise a combination of mechanical tension and metabolic stress. Regarding training variables, the most effective values are widely described in the literature. However, ...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Exploring the Dose-Response Relationship Between Estimated Resistance Training Proximity to Failure, Strength Gain, and Muscle Hypertrophy: A Series of Meta-Regressions
STRENGTH AND HYPERTROPHY ADAPTATIONS BETWEEN LOW- VS. HIGH-LOAD RESISTANCE TRAINING:ASYSTEMATIC REVIEW AND META-ANALYSIS
Chris Beardsley - How many stimulating reps are there in each set to failure?
Muscle Activation Strategies During Strength Training With Heavy Loading vs. Repetitions to Failure
Jin23
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This meta regression analysis is the latest from sports science in regards to training intensity:
View: https://youtu.be/0xberLGByVw
View: https://youtu.be/0xberLGByVw
BigTomJ
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That's why it's cited in the original post and was a big part of the motivation to write this article
Megadick3000
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My issue with Mikes MRV landmarks is they are fucking absurd. If im training to failure each set, truly to failure, theres no damn way i can get anywhere near Mikes MRV landmarks for a given muscle group in a week and still hope to recover. I find his MRV landmarks to be far too ambitious. Now maybe thats just cause im a fucking bitch? I dunno.
As to bigTom,
Ive never trained for endurance BUT let me ask, if someones training 30 reps and reaching absolute failure by the end, is that still hypertrophic? Per the science, the answers yes. But then, is it also simultaneously promoting endurance?
When someone is training for endurance (again, i dont so im unfamiliar), are they aiming for failure by the end of their weirdly high rep range, or are they intending to leave a lot left in the tank?
How does endurance training differ from hypertrophic training, and can they co-exist in one set (i.e. 30 reps but to total failure by the end) or do they cancel eachother out (going to failure inhibits endurance progression)?
As to bigTom,
Ive never trained for endurance BUT let me ask, if someones training 30 reps and reaching absolute failure by the end, is that still hypertrophic? Per the science, the answers yes. But then, is it also simultaneously promoting endurance?
When someone is training for endurance (again, i dont so im unfamiliar), are they aiming for failure by the end of their weirdly high rep range, or are they intending to leave a lot left in the tank?
How does endurance training differ from hypertrophic training, and can they co-exist in one set (i.e. 30 reps but to total failure by the end) or do they cancel eachother out (going to failure inhibits endurance progression)?
BigTomJ
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I think, as far as high rep sets, so long as other fatigue factors arent limiting (such as cardiovascular endurance, non-tarheted muscle groups, mental fatigue) I think they will still remain hypertrophic.
I think 30 reps in a straight set is a pretty fair upper threshold when hypertrophy is the primary goal, because at beyond that it becomes very difficult to keep those other factors from limiting.
While I don't have any studies that I'm familiar on it, logic would dictate at some point metabolic and neurological limitations would come into play with extreme high rep sets.
I also have no experience trying to train for endurance and hypertrophy specifically, but personally I would streat endurance like we do strength and utilize specificity for that goal, IE do endurance specific training if endurance is your primary goal. I don't think it's reasonable, is is certainly counterproductive, to try and train both for hypertrophy and endurance on a single set
Megadick3000
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What are your thoughts on stretch-mediated hypertrophy?
Theres been some interesting research on the topic recently, including a study involving leg extensions that showed considerably greater hypertrophy using a partial rep at the most stretched portion of the exercise verse full ROM (which surprised me).
Have you any opinion on this topic?
In line with this topic, do you see any relevance to utilizing isometric holds in the most stretched position?
Personally ive started playing around with this. Example being pec dec flyes. After the last set i select a weight slightly beyond my 1RM, where its too heavy to get past the sticking point in the strength curve. I then begin the movement by only a few degrees then isometric hold the weight there as long as i can (maybe 10-15 seconds). Basically at the most stretched position of the ROM. The pump is unreal.
Ive only just started exoerimenting with this so its very premature to draw any conclusions at this piint but im going to stick it out for awhile as im liking the way it feels.
BigTomJ
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I think there is some validity here, but I don't personally use any isometrics.
However the science so far is quite clear that the stretched portion of the movement is most important
ckcrown84
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Lord, I couldn't disagree with you more.
Training is hugely important. The reason why it doesn't seem so when you look at the top tier bodybuilders is largely because of the "weeder effect"
You are seeing the genetic anomalies and statistical outliers that survived and packed on the pounds.
If you want to know how important intelligent training modalities are you've really got to get off the internet and get in the trenches.
Drugs matter and drugs work. Sure. But you know what else works? Training intelligently.
Take any pro who arrived at pro status by surviving a weeder program (i.e. they became pro due to great genetics, great discipline, and good drugs) and you subject them to intelligent training...they inevitably undergo a 2nd level of newbie gains.
Burn me at the stake if you wish.
