lukiss96
Member
As ridiculous as it sounds for some it does matter.
There are valid arguments on both sides, but no camp is right or wrong. Experienced person knows what's best for him.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Why Tren hex?
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There are valid arguments on both sides, but no camp is right or wrong. Experienced person knows what's best for him.
AbstractMind
Member
Reading some of the comments on this thread gave me eye cancer lol
AlwaysHungry
Member
Enanthate Test gives me more sides than Cypionate Test
I realized after years of doing Enanthate now I'm on Cypionate and never go back.
So what you're talking is bullshit
The-Optimist
Subscriber
Explain how? The ester detaches from the drug in both instances and you have exactly the same testosterone.
Sure, both esters of test will work but one is known for giving crippling pip, at least in some instances, and the other is known for being smooth and pain free. I know which one I choose exclusively...
Multiple shots per week of the the same dosage broken up will give more stable levels. But your total test will be lower, not higher.
The-Optimist
Subscriber
Sure, PIP is one thing but I think what's being suggested in previous posts is that the ester somehow fundamentally changes the way the base drug works.
lukiss96
Member
With ester everything changes in reality not on paper...
Deca vs NPP
Prop vs enanthate
Sustanon
Bold ace vs equipoise
Tren ace vs tren e vs tren hex
The-Optimist
Subscriber
The only thing that changes is how quickly or slowly the drug is released from the ester. It's not changing how the molecule works.
lukiss96
Member
Have you tried yourself or are you just talking about "on paper" theory?
AlwaysHungry
Member
Im not a biologist but I'm B&C for many years now.
All I know is that with enanthate I get random gyno flare up , my libido is worse on enanthate and in general I don't feel that good as I do on cypionate.
It wasn't always like that first years enanthate worked good I suppose but after a while all this problems appeared.
I was trying to find the reason a changed ai dosing , my ai from arimidex to aromasin I tried more frequent injections but nothing.
Then I changed to sustanon and things was more unstable.
I thought about cypionate but I thought bullshit isn't gonna make a difference it's the same as enanthate, I thought that I was burned out due to steroid abuse etc but finally I tried cypionate and all those problems was solved surprisingly they solved pretty fast too!!
All this on TRT settings not on a blast I had staple variables. Maybe about my body chemistry idk but cypionate works greatly for me and I won't go Back to enanthate.
I know those are not scientific proofs but if I feel better on cypionate then I take it.
The-Optimist
Subscriber
Tried all of them and more over 14 years. I get say, more immediate effects on libido from Test P than E, but give it a week or so till the blood levels have settled and its the same.
The old Deca / NPP thing I've never noticed anything again so long as the net doses are the same.
Tren A once gave me a cough but again that's the quick release of the drug from the propionate ester interacting with inflammatory prostaglandins. The net difference in mass / strength / mood over A vs Hex vs Tri-Tren vs E is all the same in the end, providing the base amount of tren I'm getting over the week is the same.
It's the idea than Tren Hex is more "potent" is more folklore and romanticism possibly from the days of Serge Nubret and whomever else could get the old Negma Parabolan amps at the time. His physique in particular was remarkable at the time, maybe kickstarting the whole "magical" thinking around Parabolan
lukiss96
Member
And I'm the exact opposite, I prefer enanthate. Go figure...
Rido
Subscriber
the ester has its own weight on there. there is just less active test per mg in the shorter acting ones.
base is 100% test
prop is 93% testosterone
enanthate is 73%
cypionate is around 69%
Undecanoate is around 63%
funny thing with Deca and NPP is that it is near the same active hormone
lukiss96
Member
I think it's not that accurate...
You can find ten other variants of this same list...
I saw pharma leaflet of the following and I know:
-sustanon is 71%
-propionate is 80%
-undecanoate is right here 63%
Others idk, we don't have test e or c here at pharmacy.
lukiss96
Member
Unless you try tren h yourself you won't know. Like many other steroids.
Paper vs reality. Theory vs practice. It's not always the same...
Paper vs reality. Theory vs practice. It's not always the same...
The-Optimist
Subscriber
Yes I agree, that's what I'm getting at. There's no magic to any one ester.
Rido
Subscriber
I think there is a lot of anectodal talk about short esters with no water retention. Which is a little interesting. I am unsure if it resets the signal that tells the to retain water because it doesn't last.
The-Optimist
Subscriber
Rounded up or down they're about this:
| Acetate 87% |
| Propionate 84% |
| Isocaproate 74% |
| Enanthate 72% |
| Cypionate 70% |
| Phenylprop 67.5% |
| Decanoate 65% |
| Undecanoate 63% |
| Undecyleanate 63% |
| Hex 66% |
| Sustanon 70% |
So It doesn't matter that I'm saying I'm getting the same tren results yet not the same sides like the other esters?
That's actually a big deal...
Like I said to the other guy.
"So It doesn't matter that I'm saying I'm getting the same tren results yet not the same sides like the other esters?
That's actually a big deal..."
