Zebedee
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"Anti-God" - I thought the Constitution was secular?
Religous freedom = you can be any protestant christian denomination you like huh?
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Religous freedom = you can be any protestant christian denomination you like huh?
The Constitution is irrelevant. Nobody living 200 years in the past can force me to live under there rules.
Just like religion that is written down horseshit, I'm not following the constitution either. They can all fuck off.
If the two of us entered into a contract and you broke your end of the bargain the contract is null and void. The current police state broke the contract, I don't give a fuck about the US constitution or the Bible, they both can wipe the shit from my ass.
The problem with idiots that act tough bringing up God.
Most of them believe in Jewish God, Yahweh and Jesus.
They worship a Jew that was a pussy that couldn't fight the state, who let them spank his fanny and hang him to a board without so much as a single word telling them to fuck off.
You can't find two more pussy characters in all mythology than Jesus and the Apostle Paul.
Most of them believe in Jewish God, Yahweh and Jesus.
They worship a Jew that was a pussy that couldn't fight the state, who let them spank his fanny and hang him to a board without so much as a single word telling them to fuck off.
You can't find two more pussy characters in all mythology than Jesus and the Apostle Paul.
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Satanists are the one people that get the christians riled up more than any group. Even anti-theists like myself don't really ruffle their feathers.
That's why I consider satanists the greatest freedom fighters in the United States. First off Satan proved that prohibition doesn't work, God said don't eat the fruit, Satan said go ahead and enjoy and they did enjoy, but then Yahweh came along and ruined the party.
For me the Satanists have an act that is quite seriously the ultimate troll for these dumbass christians.
movingiron88
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Dam, how did this quickly turn into a religious thread.????
I didn't realize he had changed his user name and I got sucked in briefly.
Republicans and Democrats both view the world through religion.
Sit down and discuss the thousands of victimless crime laws with a person that is religious and they will blank stare as if they never thought to question the wisdom of the state.
For them it's simple, anything that the state says is wrong is wrong, no thought necessary. Anything that you do to yourself is an act against god because you don't own yourself, you are the property of god(and the state of course). In this case using AAS is an act against their imaginary sky daddy, you are defiling, and you must have your fanny spanked by the justice system.
So you can see the problem is we are ruled by people that live in fear of the imaginary, they are terrified of a magical 2000 year old jewish zombie. They think humans should deny impulses, pleasure seeking, that they should adhere to established dark age social norms.
What we get is a category for all things wrong, endless thousands of laws to label us, pack us up and send us to our next destination to rot in a cage with big bob and his cockmeat sandwich.
The Christians are scared shitless, they know their holding a bad hand, the game is up and there are millions of people calling them out on their bullshit and it terrifies religious folk, they see these young people demanding sovereignty from authority, questioning everything these old crusty sacks of shit built, they put so much effort into this system and their legacy of tyranny. The ability to question everything, when the government orders you to do something and you tell them to fuck off and there's nothing they can do about it, this makes Christians tinkle their panties with fear.
Zebedee
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That's not really an issue here tbh mate. I can see why you'd think it was, given the US state school system's practices (don't disagree with you there) - pledging the oath of alligience, hand on heart, national anthem, flags etc, but we don't do that in our state schools. It's what Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan & the Soviets also did after all to indoctrinate children, all of them our enemies, so it doesn't sit well with us.
The mandatory teaching of "British values" in al schools, private & state, is a very recent thing in response to home-grown Islamist terrorism post 7/7 & it's actually highly politically controversial.
That the majority have a much more collective over the individual ideology here compared to the US is more to do with our different histories, culture, religion & even geography. It's a lot more complicated than simple "establishment" indoctrination.
You're a young country, that began life as a vast, open, free-for-all frontier country where everything was up for grabs. It was still like that in parts less than 200 years ago. That's not something that breeds collective-focused cooperation, so it's understandable why you'd have a much stronger libertatian culture.
We're an ancient country, that's been putting aside our tribal / clan / regional differences to fight foreign attacks & invasion for 2,000 years. I'm mid 40's & less than 30 years before I was born our cities were having the living shit bombed out of them night after night after night for years. That alone breeds a culture of inter-dependence & collectivism.
The Israeli's are the same. They have an "island under seige" mentality like the Brits traditionally have & for the same reasons. The majority of Brits & Israeli Jews don't need to be told by the establishment that sometimes the needs of the majority outweigh those of the individual. It's passed down from generation to generation by the people themselves. United we stand, divided we fall.
You've never faced that as a people or country, that's all. Probably never will, you're too big & now too powerful.
Not saying the British state doesn't try to indoctrinate. All establishments do. It's just not something the state even needs to do in this case.
You have to be careful anytime the majority want to force a minority to behave and pay respect to their beliefs and customs.
No one should pledge to a flag, no one should take and oath, no one should be forced or coerced into bending to dogma and societal norms.
The problem is the state and the people that occupy power in the United States will not tolerate any disrespect to their positions of power. Walk into a courtroom or any government meeting and the people that run it are full of themselves, so unable to bend their positions to see from a more enlightened view.
There simply is no open discussion in the United States, they hand you their documents, you question their wisdom, but they say these are our documents and we must follow them, you ask why and they say again these are the documents, we must not think for ourselves, we must follow what these fuckheads said a hundred years prior or I will lose my job and retirement/pension and my purpose in life which is to stick you in a cage for X number of years because you dared to question our bullshit.
The first group of Americans were kicked out of Europe, these were religious zealots, European rejects, puritanical tyrants that were going to the gallows in Europe so they fled for a country they could fuck up and they did fuck it up big time. They had a chance at paradise and instead decided to drag with them old ways of doing things that snuffed out the human spirit and called into question that which came natural. They came with a manual written thousands of years earlier, they had no vision of their own, just a silly collection of myths from a bronze aged goat herding tribe of people that obsessed over their foreskins.
No one should pledge to a flag, no one should take and oath, no one should be forced or coerced into bending to dogma and societal norms.
The problem is the state and the people that occupy power in the United States will not tolerate any disrespect to their positions of power. Walk into a courtroom or any government meeting and the people that run it are full of themselves, so unable to bend their positions to see from a more enlightened view.
There simply is no open discussion in the United States, they hand you their documents, you question their wisdom, but they say these are our documents and we must follow them, you ask why and they say again these are the documents, we must not think for ourselves, we must follow what these fuckheads said a hundred years prior or I will lose my job and retirement/pension and my purpose in life which is to stick you in a cage for X number of years because you dared to question our bullshit.
The first group of Americans were kicked out of Europe, these were religious zealots, European rejects, puritanical tyrants that were going to the gallows in Europe so they fled for a country they could fuck up and they did fuck it up big time. They had a chance at paradise and instead decided to drag with them old ways of doing things that snuffed out the human spirit and called into question that which came natural. They came with a manual written thousands of years earlier, they had no vision of their own, just a silly collection of myths from a bronze aged goat herding tribe of people that obsessed over their foreskins.
movingiron88
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It looks like thos "religious zealots" did quite well for themselves having started the greatest nation to ever exist on this earth that we know of. These are your beliefs, you should start saying "I think", "i feel" etc. You speak like what you feel is fact, when in fact no one knows who is right. Your "belief" is personal freedom but you dont know at what cost. Also no one is forcing you to comply, you always have the right to leave or find another country that suites your "beliefs" correct??
The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is the BEST country that’s ever existed in the history of this planet. PERIOD. Is it perfect? No. But the best? HELL FUCKING YEAH. If you don’t like it, GTFO.
You could be right about your public schools, though I've worked and drank with a few Brits who would disagree with you.
More to the point, most of the pioneers of libertarian philosophy were not Americans, but Europeans from countries with long histories of invasion and authoritarian/collectivist governments. Hazlit, for example, was English and is considered essential reading in modern libertarianism.
I think most people who become libertarians do so as a response to rising tyranny and collectivism and a degrading economy. But there are far more who blindly let it happen. Sadly, most Americans seem very eager to give up the freedoms they have remaining. We will never be a serious political force in a nation this large.
That's a crazy position. I'm not the one that puts a gun in peoples face and tells them to comply.
This piece of rock existed billions of years before anyone called it the United States of America. The people that walk on this rock have the human right to move about without being threatened or caged for any number of rules that offend the state.
All states, all forms of government(there's no place to go now that the United States has exported their weapons and policing to the world), anyone that sets up a system that others must follow, must use force to make others do their bidding. It's no longer about preventing people from carrying out acts against person and property, we have legislators that have little to do except dream up more laws to cage people. A few basic laws centered around keeping your hands to yourself and off my property was all that was needed to form a state, instead we drastically increased the powers of the state under the guise of security(not freedom) and a federal reserve with the ability to create money out of thin air to give banks to give out as loans to enslave people to a government.
That's pretty fucked up. So I'm not the one using violence. I have a live and let live attitude as long as you leave me the fuck alone. That's all anyone is asking if they are truly seeking freedom based on voluntarism, a concept completely foreign to the vast majority of people that claim that America is all about freedom, a country that locks up more people than anywhere else in the world, has more people documented to not work because of felonies, and a country where the cops have complete impunity to blow your brains out and the right to deny media access to the information proving these fuckheads are instructed to murder us on sight. A media that instead tells us these idiots are heros(to get in the good graces of the cops) and have a dangerous job when we know that only 50 of them die a year and more than half of that is due to vehicle accidents, they barely make the top twenty of dangerous jobs in america and we continue to call them heros.
It's simple, keep the cops at their stations until they are called for help like fire or ems departments. Stop the patrolling on the streets, stop the invasion of homes. If someone murders, rapes, assaults, steals property or damages it willfully than you punish the offender.
Now is that really that hard to live by those simple rules, where the fuck did we get the idea to allow these road pirates the right to stop us, search us, fuck with us, kill us, beat us, torture us, take our money and property.....last time I checked that's why we fought the revolutionary war, that's what the British were doing to us and our people had enough, so why are the people today so agreeable to this sort of treatment, the so called patriotic types that tell us to gtfo, that think being bent over and letting a government take turns filling our asses with creampies is somehow freedom?
At the end of the day the people running the government are just people, they have no more real power than any of us have, they didn't shoot out their moms vag with a special mark denoting purity and wisdom, they're just assholes that assume a self important role and demand that you and I respect their authority or die.
movingiron88
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So your response is that there is no where to go and that Anerica has ruined every country on earth? Really?
Also you state that this rock has existed billions of years and that everyone has the human right to basically live as they want. Who gave everyone this right? Where did this right come from? Who will protect that right and who will enforce it? Cone on say it.....
Lastly at best what you speak of is idealistic at best, if not downright unrealistic. In your scenario humans are kind compassionate innocent people which is generally speaking not the case. You want everyone to live the life they want, where they want, what they want, when they want to. There are to many people on this earth for this to work.
Yes the ideas of the police state have been exported the world over. America might not have exported it directly as in package it and sell it, but we influenced the world and other countries have obviously influenced us for the negative.
Government gathers more and more power under the guise of security. It can't operate in a limited sphere, it always carries out backroom deals to increase, never decrease its power.
People have a right to live as they want, as long as they don't egress on person or property. I don't have the right to murder or rape and neither do you, I don't have the right to your labor and you don't have the right to mine unless we agree in trade. I can't force you to do anything, and you can't force me to do anything against my will. We simply agree to adhere to the basic set of rules to protect each others person and property.
Keeping your hands to yourself isn't that difficult. I don't know why religious people have such a hard time with this, maybe because the bible has 1700 verses based on cruelty, barbarity, genocide, rape, child sex slavery, slavery, how to beat your slaves, how much your daughter can be sold after she's been raped, even a verse when to cut your wifes hand off if she grabs a mans testicles in self defense Deut 25:12-13. It's a book that should be used as a learning tool and a warning "to never do this sort of evil", even though clearly its pure mythology.
You really can't look to a God/gods to secure your rights since there's absolutely no evidence to support the existence of a God. So you're basing your rights on faith, which isn't gonna work.
Now you can write down a very simple, and I do mean very simple set of rights that can never be taken away, can never be amended, but they can be added to.
See the amendment process has allowed the Bill of Rights and the Constitution to become completely dead documents, they have been taken to a firing range and used for target practice, until they are so shot up with holes as to become ridiculous and embarrassing.
The more stuff you write down, the more stuff you have to follow. The further you get away from what is natural to humans. Most of us don't need to be told to keep our hands to ourselves. Most of us are peaceful, I've certainly never assaulted anyone in my life, I've never forced a women into any situation she didn't want, I've never stolen something that didn't belong to me, and if I damaged something I apologized and if needed paid for what I damaged or did my best to fix it. The vast majority of people do this every day of their lives.
However there are those that will overstep these bounds. That do carry out violence, rape children, rob people.
For these people punishment can be decided on, not a cruel punishment or sadistic display of revenge, but a punishment that informs society that this sort of stuff can't be tolerated. I don't need a god for this, I would need a community of well trained people that are always looking to maximize our rights, I would need a connected system where all people can call into question anyone that would assume power over them and have the ability to immediately remove them from power. There would be no impunity allowed, if you screw up, you're removed. No more allowing the police state to exist, they would become what they were intended for......keeping the peace and letting people go about their days freely.
Government gathers more and more power under the guise of security. It can't operate in a limited sphere, it always carries out backroom deals to increase, never decrease its power.
People have a right to live as they want, as long as they don't egress on person or property. I don't have the right to murder or rape and neither do you, I don't have the right to your labor and you don't have the right to mine unless we agree in trade. I can't force you to do anything, and you can't force me to do anything against my will. We simply agree to adhere to the basic set of rules to protect each others person and property.
Keeping your hands to yourself isn't that difficult. I don't know why religious people have such a hard time with this, maybe because the bible has 1700 verses based on cruelty, barbarity, genocide, rape, child sex slavery, slavery, how to beat your slaves, how much your daughter can be sold after she's been raped, even a verse when to cut your wifes hand off if she grabs a mans testicles in self defense Deut 25:12-13. It's a book that should be used as a learning tool and a warning "to never do this sort of evil", even though clearly its pure mythology.
You really can't look to a God/gods to secure your rights since there's absolutely no evidence to support the existence of a God. So you're basing your rights on faith, which isn't gonna work.
Now you can write down a very simple, and I do mean very simple set of rights that can never be taken away, can never be amended, but they can be added to.
See the amendment process has allowed the Bill of Rights and the Constitution to become completely dead documents, they have been taken to a firing range and used for target practice, until they are so shot up with holes as to become ridiculous and embarrassing.
The more stuff you write down, the more stuff you have to follow. The further you get away from what is natural to humans. Most of us don't need to be told to keep our hands to ourselves. Most of us are peaceful, I've certainly never assaulted anyone in my life, I've never forced a women into any situation she didn't want, I've never stolen something that didn't belong to me, and if I damaged something I apologized and if needed paid for what I damaged or did my best to fix it. The vast majority of people do this every day of their lives.
However there are those that will overstep these bounds. That do carry out violence, rape children, rob people.
For these people punishment can be decided on, not a cruel punishment or sadistic display of revenge, but a punishment that informs society that this sort of stuff can't be tolerated. I don't need a god for this, I would need a community of well trained people that are always looking to maximize our rights, I would need a connected system where all people can call into question anyone that would assume power over them and have the ability to immediately remove them from power. There would be no impunity allowed, if you screw up, you're removed. No more allowing the police state to exist, they would become what they were intended for......keeping the peace and letting people go about their days freely.
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