Widen My Back

I'm no bodybuilder but if it were me I'd overhaul your whole split.

In my experience that's a split more focused on sculpting a physique that has had mass packed on it over a long period.

I feel you leave a lot on the the table with two rest days and a couple days dedicated solely to very small muscle groups (arms, shoulders).

Also, the back consists of a metric shit ton of muscle. You start hammering it hard and wanting it to grow, you gotta feed it. Similar to legs, the amount of muscle used in those areas can turn into a literal calorie furnace when you're hitting it hard, so make sure your eating big around those workouts.

I just moved away from the splits as I was plateauing.

I do pure hypertrophy training. Each body part get's a full day until exhaustion. Back is now getting 2 days. There's only one rest day. Work outs are 1.5 hours. 4k calories each day.

Shoulders:
Standing military barbell press: 4 sets of 8 – 10 reps @ 115lbs
Dumbbell lateral raises: 4 sets of 12 – 15 reps @ 20lbs
Seated dumbbell shoulder press: 4 sets of 10 – 12 reps @ 50lbs
Dumbbell front raises: 4 sets of 8 – 10 reps per arm @ 25lbs
Rear delt flyes: 4 sets of 12 – 15 reps @ 110lbs
EZ bar upright rows: 4 sets of 10 – 12 reps @ 60lbs
Dumbbell shrugs: 3 sets of 15 reps @ 95lbs

Arms:
EZ bar curls: 4 sets of 12 – 15 reps @ 70lbs
Seated double arm dumbbell curls: 4 sets of 10 reps @ 30lbs
Standing hammer curls: 4 sets of 10 – 12 reps - @ 30lbs
Preacher curl machine: 3 sets of 10 – 12 reps @ 30lbs
Triceps rope pushdowns: 4 sets of 15 – 20 reps @ 50lbs
Dips: 3 sets of 15 – 20 reps
Triceps overhead extensions: 4 sets of 15 reps @ 55lbs
Tricep Kickbacks: 3 sets of 15 reps @ 25lbs
 
I just moved away from the splits as I was plateauing.

I do pure hypertrophy training. Each body part get's a full day until exhaustion. Back is now getting 2 days. There's only one rest day. Work outs are 1.5 hours. 4k calories each day.

Shoulders:
Standing military barbell press: 4 sets of 8 – 10 reps @ 115lbs
Dumbbell lateral raises: 4 sets of 12 – 15 reps @ 20lbs
Seated dumbbell shoulder press: 4 sets of 10 – 12 reps @ 50lbs
Dumbbell front raises: 4 sets of 8 – 10 reps per arm @ 25lbs
Rear delt flyes: 4 sets of 12 – 15 reps @ 110lbs
EZ bar upright rows: 4 sets of 10 – 12 reps @ 60lbs
Dumbbell shrugs: 3 sets of 15 reps @ 95lbs

Arms:
EZ bar curls: 4 sets of 12 – 15 reps @ 70lbs
Seated double arm dumbbell curls: 4 sets of 10 reps @ 30lbs
Standing hammer curls: 4 sets of 10 – 12 reps - @ 30lbs
Preacher curl machine: 3 sets of 10 – 12 reps @ 30lbs
Triceps rope pushdowns: 4 sets of 15 – 20 reps @ 50lbs
Dips: 3 sets of 15 – 20 reps
Triceps overhead extensions: 4 sets of 15 reps @ 55lbs
Tricep Kickbacks: 3 sets of 15 reps @ 25lbs
Those are solid workouts, but for me just seems like a lot of volume dedicated to arms and shoulders when I know I'm gonna put them under heavy loads and volume as well on my back and any pressing movements. I double up on those days every week, as well as legs. But like I said, I don't train specifically for bodybuilding, but I do have hypertrophy and strength goals, which for me go hand in hand simultaneously.
 
Those are solid workouts, but for me just seems like a lot of volume dedicated to arms and shoulders when I know I'm gonna put them under heavy loads and volume as well on my back and any pressing movements. I double up on those days every week, as well as legs. But like I said, I don't train specifically for bodybuilding, but I do have hypertrophy and strength goals, which for me go hand in hand simultaneously.

Could you post or PM me your weekly routine?
 
I just moved away from the splits as I was plateauing.

I do pure hypertrophy training. Each body part get's a full day until exhaustion. Back is now getting 2 days. There's only one rest day. Work outs are 1.5 hours. 4k calories each day.

Shoulders:
Standing military barbell press: 4 sets of 8 – 10 reps @ 115lbs
Dumbbell lateral raises: 4 sets of 12 – 15 reps @ 20lbs
Seated dumbbell shoulder press: 4 sets of 10 – 12 reps @ 50lbs
Dumbbell front raises: 4 sets of 8 – 10 reps per arm @ 25lbs
Rear delt flyes: 4 sets of 12 – 15 reps @ 110lbs
EZ bar upright rows: 4 sets of 10 – 12 reps @ 60lbs
Dumbbell shrugs: 3 sets of 15 reps @ 95lbs

Arms:
EZ bar curls: 4 sets of 12 – 15 reps @ 70lbs
Seated double arm dumbbell curls: 4 sets of 10 reps @ 30lbs
Standing hammer curls: 4 sets of 10 – 12 reps - @ 30lbs
Preacher curl machine: 3 sets of 10 – 12 reps @ 30lbs
Triceps rope pushdowns: 4 sets of 15 – 20 reps @ 50lbs
Dips: 3 sets of 15 – 20 reps
Triceps overhead extensions: 4 sets of 15 reps @ 55lbs
Tricep Kickbacks: 3 sets of 15 reps @ 25lbs
It is definitely a lot of volume and looks pretty solid. Which I’m not against whatsoever I think training hard and intense is great by all means. But my only concern I see out of all of it that I can give my input to be mindful of is with the extra back day added in now be mindful of how hard your training your biceps and elbows on your arm day. You don’t want to develops tendinitis.
 
Could you post or PM me your weekly routine?

It's really uncomplicated.

I have leg day, push day, and pull day, then rest day, in that order. Repeat over and over weekly.

Each day revolves around a compound lift, typically one of the big three. Remember, my first love was powerlifting, second was strongman, and bodybuilding a close third that I'm simply not gifted with genetics for.

I use lots of exercises for accessories , and exercise selection changes every 8-12 weeks typically. For simplicity I'll break down where I've been the past 7 weeks or so .

Lately, I'm not training for a meet, so we start with accessory lifts.
So legday, I do leg press superset with leg extensions , 4 sets of 20 each. I don't get caught up in the weight here, this is strictly pump training. Pick a weight where the pump gets painful by set 2 and run with it.
After that, I go to my squats. I'll start at 135 and hit 2sets x 5 reps each weight up to around 80% of 1rm. At 80% I'll do 3x3. If that feels good and I still have some left I'll do 1 set @90% for amrap, typically between 1-3.
I'm pretty smoked after this, but I may add lunges or fro t squats with light weight for a good finisher if I have time. Try to stay under an hour and 15 mins for these workouts. It doesn't sound like a lot of volume, but at that pace u should feel it, and remember, your next leg day is only 3 days away.

This same basic method applies to each day, so I'm.just gonna list my current exercise selections

Push day:
Superset cable tricep pulldowns with standing db press, then bench up same style as we did with squats, and after that , clean and overhead press for 3 sets with around 185x5 (little under 70% 1rm)

Pull day:
Superset cable rows with lat pulldowns. Then pendelay rows for 3 sets 6 reps @275. Not sure percentage there, just what feels good to me for where I am currently .
Now deadlifts work a little differently. I don't like to put too much volume here, it fries my cns for too long when I do. So we start at 225 and triple up to around 80%, and maybe a single @ 85-87%. But here's the catch, I get a set of pullups in between each set. 7 pullups, take a breather, then start the next deadlift set. It helps me decompress my spine after the heavy loads, gives a sick pump if the pace is right.

On weekends we'll train some strongman events, just swap it in over whatever day would fall there, but that's more specific to me and my goals so not necessary or feasible for everyone.

I'm leaving out some stuff I'm sure. Tempo is important, and sometimes I throw in arm work and little stuff around the tail end of workouts just based on feel. Same with extra shoulder work, I do it regularly but it's mixed in spontaneously. Find somewhere to work in rear delts, and lateral raises.

Long winded post but this is the jist of my routine ATM.
 
I like to change my routine every 3-6 months. I timed it so when I am coming off my cycle I will be switching again. I'll give this a try.
 
I like to change my routine every 3-6 months. I timed it so when I am coming off my cycle I will be switching again. I'll give this a try.
Definitely, I also change it up every few months, but it's always structured somewhat similar to this. When I'm getting ready for a meet, I do my big lifts first, and work up to heavier weights more often.

But for hypertrophy, little techniques like pre fatigueing smaller muscle groups before big compound movements, making sure to keep a pump going, tempo lifting, etc all take precedence over moving big numbers for low reps.
 
May I ask why y'all like switching so routines? Why not just set up some basic principles you believe in and focus on the 4 big lifts? Setup your supplemental to achieve the goals you are after and then the assistance lifts to bring up lagging body parts?

Muscle confusion isn't a real concept. Muscles don't get confused. Soreness doesn't equal gains. Volume for the sake of volume is doing nothing but fatiguing your cns making it impossible to hit that muscle again with optimal frequency.

I know many of y'all want to believe in the whole one body part a day BS and pump training, but for 90-95% of people this is not the best way.
 
@picholas, are you training any body parts twice a week?
Sometimes I do and that was only after watching Jordan peter videos. A lot of these B.B. say to hit body parts twice a week. Then again a lot don’t. Curious on you and everyone’s thoughts.
Wonder if that would encourage more growth
 
May I ask why y'all like switching so routines? Why not just set up some basic principles you believe in and focus on the 4 big lifts? Setup your supplemental to achieve the goals you are after and then the assistance lifts to bring up lagging body parts?

Muscle confusion isn't a real concept. Muscles don't get confused. Soreness doesn't equal gains. Volume for the sake of volume is doing nothing but fatiguing your cns making it impossible to hit that muscle again with optimal frequency.

I know many of y'all want to believe in the whole one body part a day BS and pump training, but for 90-95% of people this is not the best way.

Not for "muscle confusion"...it's more to keep myself from getting complacent and bored in a routine. It's more for mental stimulation in the gym then anything else. Makes you track everything when you don't have an established routine, try new movements, write down your weight and reps and then watch the improvements.

As for the big lifts I am still hitting them all. What changes is the reps vs weight. High weight/low reps, medium weight/medium reps, low weight/high rips.

Barbell squats on leg day
Bench with barbell and dumbbells on chest
Shoulder press standing barbell and sitting dumbbell on shoulder
Deadlift on leg day

By putting a full 7 days between these super high volume workouts you have enough time to adequately recover and hit the muscle again next week with the same intensity.

Again, I was on splits since high school and was stagnating in all my lifts. This method is pure hypertrophy so that when I switch back to splits, ideally my numbers will be going up in all the lifts.

Also with this intensity the joints and tendons take a lot of abuse, so you don't do this indefinitely.

@Sparkyp

Everything is hit once a week to fatigue except for back is now twice a week. 1 day off.
 
May I ask why y'all like switching so routines? Why not just set up some basic principles you believe in and focus on the 4 big lifts? Setup your supplemental to achieve the goals you are after and then the assistance lifts to bring up lagging body parts?

Muscle confusion isn't a real concept. Muscles don't get confused. Soreness doesn't equal gains. Volume for the sake of volume is doing nothing but fatiguing your cns making it impossible to hit that muscle again with optimal frequency.

I know many of y'all want to believe in the whole one body part a day BS and pump training, but for 90-95% of people this is not the best way.
That's basically what I said. I don't switch much up, mainly accessory movements for areas or muscle groups I feel need to pick up slack, or rep/set schemes for my goals/what I'm preparing for.
Peaking for a PL meet doesn't look anything like my training looks 90 % of the year when it comes to the percentages and rep/set schemes.

Training for strongman comps, I'm not gonna do 650 lb yoke walks year long, or 60 second amrap deadlifts at 535 lbs.
I may want to hold a weight class that year, or do like I'm doing this year and dedicate to getting bigger AND stronger and move up a weight class. The training changes as well as the diet.

Maybe you weren't referring to me, but hopefully this clarifies what I was saying if you were. The overall structure of my training style changes very little, depending on my goal. Muscle confusion has nothing to do with it .
 
Frequency is King brother.

This situation the goal...

Hit the shit out of the muscle enough to cause it to repair itself so that it protects itself against the same action the next time. Do this all with causing the least amount of CNS fatigue as possible so that you can turn around and tear the muscle down again as soon as possible.
 
That's basically what I said. I don't switch much up, mainly accessory movements for areas or muscle groups I feel need to pick up slack, or rep/set schemes for my goals/what I'm preparing for.
Peaking for a PL meet doesn't look anything like my training looks 90 % of the year when it comes to the percentages and rep/set schemes.

Training for strongman comps, I'm not gonna do 650 lb yoke walks year long, or 60 second amrap deadlifts at 535 lbs.
I may want to hold a weight class that year, or do like I'm doing this year and dedicate to getting bigger AND stronger and move up a weight class. The training changes as well as the diet.

Maybe you weren't referring to me, but hopefully this clarifies what I was saying if you were. The overall structure of my training style changes very little, depending on my goal. Muscle confusion has nothing to do with it .
Yea I was referring to others further up, he clarrifed his reasoning. I don't feel it's optimal but many people are neurotyped to need to change programs often for mental stimulation. Christian thibideau talk about this and his whole series of neurotyping programs are specifically designed for the different types of personalities.
 
See now that I can get on board with, do you happen to have a link to this? I am sure I can find it myself later....but I'm feeling google lazy right now.
 
Yea I was referring to others further up, he clarrifed his reasoning. I don't feel it's optimal but many people are neurotyped to need to change programs often for mental stimulation. Christian thibideau talk about this and his whole series of neurotyping programs are specifically designed for the different types of personalities.
Gotcha, I'm with you. I compete with the big lifts, and believe me, I couldn't get much improvement or practice only training each movement 52 times a year (once weekly).

I've dabbled with trying to get movements in 3x a week but I start to see fatigue crossover with less than 3 days recovery at the percentages I like to train at .
 
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