Will RFK Jr Deschedule/Decriminalize Testosterone and HGH?

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As far as the RFK Jr topic is concerned, I understand there is a significant political element to his nomination and it is very difficult to discuss the simple topic of TRT/AAS legalization outside this context.

But please in the future, respect the guidelines intended to keep the antagonistic, polarized partisan discussion to a single subforum.

 

[dontletheoldmanin]

I can’t imagine supporting any of these people.

id be willing to bet any $ amount that the person in the top pic can bench more than the person in the bottom pic
I’ve seen rfk benching and it was 105lbs with a spotter
At the end of the day there is no greater way to judge a person’s character and mettle than good ‘ol bench press lol

Since the thread was moved to political..
I can say the photo above...
The top photo of that she/he is atleast well educated, that part is the truth.

 

[Bigoldguy]

Even if he wanted to, I doubt it could happen. .Public opinion is still very much against the "evil steroids destroying our children". I think pot being legalized would be more likely...
a crap ton of parents did pot at one time or another so it has less of a stigma

 

[Sawisthelaw]

IMO, he would want to but won't be able to for various reasons. I really hope he just hones in on the shit food and chemicals.

 

[steveboomer]

I honestly think there's a decent chance he'll do it. We need to unleash a flood of testosterone into the US. I think I'll write RFK a letter. Anybody with a corporate job knows that if you couldn't at least pass for a gay man you get treated with absolute disdain, especially if you look like you work out. Corporate America has been completely feminized. It's all so...gay. 65% of adult women in the US are on HRT in the form of hormonal birth control, and of course, that is not without its side effects..but all that gets swept under the rug bc it fits the population control agenda that became so popular in the late 60's early 70's when they started publishing papers telling us the world was going to run out of food and we would all starve to death by the year 2000. Of course, that was all a bunch of gay bullshit and we stopped having kids and now there's going to be 6 billion Nigerians who never bothered to use birth control bc they ain't got time for all that and they just wanna git dat poisee. Good job tards! Now we have lesbian "pilots" flying helicopters dead ass straight into commercial airliners bc she was probably watching tik tok dance videos through her NVG. The only hope for the US is more testosterone.

 

[dontletheoldmanin]

I honestly think there's a decent chance he'll do it. We need to unleash a flood of testosterone into the US. I think I'll write RFK a letter. Anybody with a corporate job knows that if you couldn't at least pass for a gay man you get treated with absolute disdain, especially if you look like you work out. Corporate America has been completely feminized. It's all so...gay. 65% of adult women in the US are on HRT in the form of hormonal birth control, and of course, that is not without its side effects..but all that gets swept under the rug bc it fits the population control agenda that became so popular in the late 60's early 70's when they started publishing papers telling us the world was going to run out of food and we would all starve to death by the year 2000. Of course, that was all a bunch of gay bullshit and we stopped having kids and now there's going to be 6 billion Nigerians who never bothered to use birth control bc they ain't got time for all that and they just wanna git dat poisee. Good job tards! Now we have lesbian "pilots" flying helicopters dead ass straight into commercial airliners bc she was probably watching tik tok dance videos through her NVG. The only hope for the US is more testosterone.

Well its a nice read but your stats are so far from the truth and unquoted it's makes your post crap.

When you wish you insight things like 65% or this and that, provide factual, information such as things backing up your wild claims..

Either that or we can all just go read the Babylon bee

 

[Bigoldguy]

I doubt itll ever happen. TV, movies, books have villainized for so long that the public outcry would be enough to stop it. The big roided up monster of a man is always the bad guy. Id be happy if they'd just drop it down the schedule a few steps so itd be just a misdemeanor offense. Its funny how the public is ok about eating shit that is so bad for your heart and body but inject a dose of test for your health and they go bezerk.

 

[steveboomer]

Well its a nice read but your stats are so far from the truth and unquoted it's makes your post crap.

When you wish you insight things like 65% or this and that, provide factual, information such as things backing up your wild claims..

Either that or we can all just go read the Babylon bee

I'm sorry sir but your crude jedi mind tricks have no power here. As you can see, I am not simply pulling stats out of thin air (or my butt). Of course, you say everything I said is BS and then provide absolutely no stats or factual information to the contrary. You didn't even bother to make an argument at all! Well sir, why don't you provide some counter-factual information to my argument then? Please, enlighten me.

Of course, there are not going to ACTUALLY be 6 billion Nigerians by the year 2100, only like 3 billion, so I slightly exaggerated but I was using something called "Hyperbole" which is a way of making a statement in a grandiose manner to prove a point.

 

[Bigoldguy]

I was using something called "Hyperbole" which is a way of making a statement in a grandiose manner to prove a point.

Isnt that what our political leaders do?

 

[steveboomer]

Isnt that what our political leaders do?

I maintain there is a chance RFK could push to remove test and other anabolics from sched. III.

I also maintain that 65% of all adult women in the US are on HRT via hormonal birth control, as clearly cited by the CDC data. I maintain that there is a double standard as to the fact that you can literally buy estrogen morning after pills OTC now at CVS after getting gangbanged by the basketball team, yet I have to go to a TRT clinic and beg some Nigerian guy with a fake Medical degree from Walmart University if I want to supplement with testosterone without committing a felony.

In addition, I maintain that while Europeans and Americans have been busy teaching their kids to be gay and cut their genitals off, and rushing to put their 16 year old daughters on birth control so they can have unlimited sex, people in Africa have not been worried about any of that nonsense, thus, there will be approximately 6 trillion Nigerians by the year 2100. Yes. 6 trillion.

I also think that the agitprop psychological conditioning campaigns and propaganda have been so effective in the US and Europe, that when confronted by anything that is actually factual, many people's pavlovian conditioning kicks in and their little pea brains short circuit and they get incredibly ass-injured.

 

[Bigoldguy]

Ass injured is right... a lot of stupid stuff could be cleared up by getting a case of thick skin. When I was young...oh, a million years ago or so, if someone said something you didnt like, we had a reaction that usually worked well: Shrug and flip them off.

 

[steveboomer]

Ass injured is right... a lot of stupid stuff could be cleared up by getting a case of thick skin. When I was young...oh, a million years ago or so, if someone said something you didnt like, we had a reaction that usually worked well: Shrug and flip them off.

I am simply making a series of points. I made my points then someone said all my points were invalid and not backed up by any data, are you telling me now that I'm not allowed to respond?

I will say however that "Shrugging it off" is a big reason why so many of the things I would assume a lot of us complain about on a day to day basis happened in the first place and keep getting worse. It's not a bad thing (in my opinion) to actually have a well thought out opinion on these topics.

 

[Bigoldguy]

A well thought out opinion is fine but the problem arises when people believe their opinion is the only possible correct one. As for shrugging it off being the problem? I disagree...IMO, people take trivial things and blow them out of the water if others dont quickly jump on board immediately and agree to their point of view. Even people using data to back up their point can be using skewed data (not pointing a finger at you, just saying). Social media, our news outlets, etc. are now more opinion driven then fact driven. For every point that is made, and backed with data, you can almost always find a counter point also backed with data.

 

[steveboomer]

A well thought out opinion is fine but the problem arises when people believe their opinion is the only possible correct one. As for shrugging it off being the problem? I disagree...IMO, people take trivial things and blow them out of the water if others dont quickly jump on board immediately and agree to their point of view. Even people using data to back up their point can be using skewed data (not pointing a finger at you, just saying). Social media, our news outlets, etc. are now more opinion driven then fact driven. For every point that is made, and backed with data, you can almost always find a counter point also backed with data.

I get what you're saying. All due respect here.

I think people can have varying viewpoints on issues and that's fine, however some things are just facts. Like for instance, there is no other possible right answer based on CDC data as to what percentage of women are on birth control...the answer is about 65%. That's just a fact of reality. That's another problem in Europe and America is we have been taught that facts don't really exist and everything is relative, so it makes it impossible for us to comprehend the world in a way that makes any sense at all. A great way to keep people in a permanent state of malleability.

When American society was much more homogenous in the 80's for example, I think it was very easy to say things like "just live and let live" and "There's more than one right answer"...Here's the problem, that loophole of goodwill has been exploited, and because well meaning people have been too timid to put their foot down, people who desire to push the boundaries have been given too much room to do harm. I think so many things were taken for granted back then because they were just baked in to our society, they were taken as a given. Not so much anymore. Now if you don't want some teacher to be telling your kid that he's trans you have to keep a close eye on what's happening.

 

[Bigoldguy]

I get what you're saying. All due respect here.

I think people can have varying viewpoints on issues and that's fine, however some things are just facts. Like for instance, there is no other possible right answer based on CDC data as to what percentage of women are on birth control...the answer is about 65%. That's just a fact of reality. That's another problem in Europe and America is we have been taught that facts don't really exist and everything is relative, so it makes it impossible for us to comprehend the world in a way that makes any sense at all. A great way to keep people in a permanent state of malleability.

When American society was much more homogenous in the 80's for example, I think it was very easy to say things like "just live and let live" and "There's more than one right answer"...Here's the problem, that loophole of goodwill has been exploited, and because well meaning people have been too timid to put their foot down, people who desire to push the boundaries have been given too much room to do harm. I think so many things were taken for granted back then because they were just baked in to our society, they were taken as a given. Not so much anymore. Now if you don't want some teacher to be telling your kid that he's trans you have to keep a close eye on what's happening.

On that I whole heartedly agree

 

[steveboomer]

The best pathway to de-scheduling Testosterone has always been via the Trans hormone therapy route. In fact there are D senators, Warren and Markey, that are already out loud with their desire to see Testosterone de-scheduled for that purpose. However, as Rs have taken a position that is clearly not pro Trans, its hard to see a situation where a R house and senate pass a bill that is seen as easing the pathway to Trans therapy.

Exclusive: Senators ask Biden administration to loosen restrictions on testosterone access

Current restrictions can hurt transgender patients’ access to a hormone they need to maintain their health, Sens. Ed Markey and Elizabeth Warren said.

19thnews.org

Senator Markey Calls on Biden Admin. to Lift Barriers to Testosterone, Expand Access to Gender-Affirming Hormone Therapy | U.S. Senator Ed Markey of Massachusetts

Text of the Letter (PDF) Washington (September 16, 2022) – Senator Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.) led...

www.markey.senate.gov

https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/3654301-markey-warren-ask-biden-administration-to-expand-access-to-gender-affirming-medical-care/

So between the reflexively anti anything Testosterone related people and the anti anything seen as even remotely pro trans people, it's hard to see how a majority would be found to support de-scheduling T.

I think that with newer generations of R congressman and senators this could change. Old guard repubs equate testosterone with "cheating" or doing drugs which violates their puritan instincts. Bush Sr. was a WASP and he's the one that had them scheduled in the first place. Modern repubs still LARP as religious but imo they are much less influenced by those old time puritan ethics.

The number of people receiving hormone replacement for gender dysphoria pales in comparison to the number of men on TRT. It's less than 10,000 a year for trans therapy and over 13 million for TRT, so while trans people have been the squeakier wheel these past few years I think there is enough men out there frustrated with the process of getting on TRT that things could change. Men don't like to be seen as complaining so what we need to do is use Trump's strategy and find some hot blonde attorney to take up the issue or get one of the hot bimbo female republican congresswomen like Ana Paulina Luna to author a bill.

 

[dontletheoldmanin]

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I'm sorry sir but your crude jedi mind tricks have no power here. As you can see, I am not simply pulling stats out of thin air (or my butt). Of course, you say everything I said is BS and then provide absolutely no stats or factual information to the contrary. You didn't even bother to make an argument at all! Well sir, why don't you provide some counter-factual information to my argument then? Please, enlighten me.

Of course, there are not going to ACTUALLY be 6 billion Nigerians by the year 2100, only like 3 billion, so I slightly exaggerated but I was using something called "Hyperbole" which is a way of making a statement in a grandiose manner to prove a point.

Sure bud.

 

[steveboomer]

Sure bud.

I’m sorry I can’t help myself sometimes.

 

[NewGuy756]

I hope so.