Will Tesamorellin or Sermorellin actually do anything to gain you muscle?

[USMogger672]

My friend is too scared to take steroids but thinks he will get jacked over a year or two period on Tesamorellin or Sermorellin. He sent me some Andrew Huberman video on it. Has anyone ever tried these? What were your results? It was my understanding they are only really for anti aging.

 

[clearheaded]

similar to taking hgh

 

[USMogger672]

similar to taking hgh

I am not familiar with HGH I just know top bodybuilders take it. Will taking HGH alone do anything for muscle gain? Seems you have to take a high amount.

 

[clearheaded]

some, more pronounced after been working out for years and aren't gaining weight, among other things... def not worth it if ur under 35.. will elevate blood sugar(which is bad for u) allow cancer to grow faster etc etc.

tell ur friend to work out and lay off the aids medication.

they are actually PRO aging, ur skin will look better but more hgh /igf means u die sooner.. why big dogs die sooner and small humans are 100yo.

 

[lilhawk]

No. If he’s hoping to get GH like effects from either then he will be disappointed.

 

[Ghoul]

Your question was will it do anything.

It reduces fat, increases muscle density and lean muscle mass. And that's without changes to diet or exercise.

It's much slower than GH, but doesn't increase insulin resistance, isn't as likely to cause sides, and usually keeps IGF within the physiologic range.

So it's a slower, safer, easier to use compound that provides similar benefits to GH but can't provide the same level of results. It doesn't expose the user to the same risks, either.

Another interesting property is that natural GH production seems to stay elevated for a while even after stopping use.

The Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone Analogue, Tesamorelin, Decreases Muscle Fat and Increases Muscle Area in Adults with HIV - PMC

Tesamorelin, a growth hormone-releasing hormone analogue, decreases visceral adipose tissue in people living with HIV, however, the effects on skeletal muscle fat and area are unknown. The goals of this exploratory secondary analysis were to ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[clearheaded]

Your question was will it do anything.

It reduces fat, increases muscle density and lean muscle mass. And that's without changes to diet or exercise.

It's much slower than GH, but doesn't increase insulin resistance, isn't as likely to cause sides, and usually keeps IGF within the physiologic range.

So it's a slower, safer, easier to use compound that provides similar benefits to GH but can't provide the same level of results. It doesn't expose the user to the same risks, either.

Another interesting property is that natural GH production seems to stay elevated for a while even after stopping use.

The Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone Analogue, Tesamorelin, Decreases Muscle Fat and Increases Muscle Area in Adults with HIV - PMC

Tesamorelin, a growth hormone-releasing hormone analogue, decreases visceral adipose tissue in people living with HIV, however, the effects on skeletal muscle fat and area are unknown. The goals of this exploratory secondary analysis were to ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

THAT IS FOR HIV PATIENTS PEOPLE WHO ARE DEFICIENT AND SICK ITS DIFFERENT, FOLKS GET BLOOD SUGAR ISSUES AND ELEVATED IGF FROM THESE PEPTIDES>>> STOP COMPARING STUDIES IN SICK CHILDREN AND HIV TO HEALTHY ADULTS!!!

is it easier and faster increasing IGF with 5iu of hgh yes but doesn't mean GHRP are better or safer.

logically you need to think, if a guy has upper range igf and gh, you suggesting that taking GHRP won't increase that very much and will stay in range? so your saying no healthy adult in normal range would really notice a difference? lol THINK. change in sleep is near instant when people start.

would love to see folks blood tests who get these peptides from clinics so we can get at least proper anecdotes.

 

[Ghoul]

THAT IS FOR HIV PATIENTS PEOPLE WHO ARE DEFICIENT AND SICK ITS DIFFERENT, FOLKS GET BLOOD SUGAR ISSUES AND ELEVATED IGF FROM THESE PEPTIDES>>> STOP COMPARING STUDIES IN SICK CHILDREN AND HIV TO HEALTHY ADULTS!!!

is it easier and faster increasing IGF with 5iu of hgh yes but doesn't mean GHRP are better or safer.

logically you need to think, if a guy has upper range igf and gh, you suggesting that taking GHRP won't increase that very much and will stay in range? so your saying no healthy adult in normal range would really notice a difference? lol THINK. change in sleep is near instant when people start.

would love to see folks blood tests who get these peptides from clinics so we can get at least proper anecdotes.

STOP SHOUTING AT ME YOU FUCKING RETARD. THESE RESULTS HAVE BEEN OBSERVED IN HEALTHY SUBJECTS, BUT "HEALTHY SUBJECT" STUDIES ARE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN FOR ANY GH OR GHRH ANALOG.

So rather than posting multiple studies. I posted one that compiled the same results. Like GLP studies are overwhelming performed on diabetics and the obese, there are results that can be extrapolated to other populations when they appear independent of diabetes state or BMI.

Let's see the peer reviewed studies of GH performed on healthy subjects. Few and far between, right? It's because it's very difficult to pass ethical muster to "experiment" on healthy subjects.

Effects of a Growth Hormone-Releasing Hormone Analog on Endogenous GH Pulsatility and Insulin Sensitivity in Healthy Men - PMC

Context and Objective: Strategies to augment pulsatile GH may be beneficial in patients with excess visceral adiposity, in whom GH secretion is reduced. The objective of this study was to determine the effects of a novel GHRH (GHRH1–44) analog, ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Clearheaded, Smartgear, Heretoteachandelearn.... there's something about these self aggrandizing user names that deserves a study of their own....

 

[USMogger672]

Your question was will it do anything.

It reduces fat, increases muscle density and lean muscle mass. And that's without changes to diet or exercise.

It's much slower than GH, but doesn't increase insulin resistance, isn't as likely to cause sides, and usually keeps IGF within the physiologic range.

So it's a slower, safer, easier to use compound that provides similar benefits to GH but can't provide the same level of results. It doesn't expose the user to the same risks, either.

Another interesting property is that natural GH production seems to stay elevated for a while even after stopping use.

The Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone Analogue, Tesamorelin, Decreases Muscle Fat and Increases Muscle Area in Adults with HIV - PMC

Tesamorelin, a growth hormone-releasing hormone analogue, decreases visceral adipose tissue in people living with HIV, however, the effects on skeletal muscle fat and area are unknown. The goals of this exploratory secondary analysis were to ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Curious what sort of gains to expect or if it just helps with visceral fat?

 

[Ghoul]

Curious what sort of gains to expect or if it just helps with visceral fat?

Visceral fat reduction is the most pronounced result in the first 6 months, and the indication that the FDA authorized its use for. Beyond that it's the equivalent of (very) low dose HGH. The mechanism of action, simplicity of use, and relative safety make it, imo, better suited for long, essentially indefinite use for the "anti-aging" crowd.

For bodybuilding purposes HGH is in another league, but I wouldn't want to run HGH forever, for a number of reasons.

What's funny is the anti-AIDS retroviral drugs that cause the visceral fat increase that Tesa was approved to treat (because of psychological distress caused by poor body image), aren't even used very much anymore, replaced by better drugs that don't cause the same issue. It makes me wonder who they're writing Egrifta prescriptions for. Unlike HGH, it's not illegal to prescribe Tesa for "off label" purposes.

They're about to release a new version (F8) that means smaller volume injections can be used, so there must be a decent sized market to make that effort with it.

 

[USMogger672]

Visceral fat reduction is the most pronounced result in the first 6 months, and the indication that the FDA authorized its use for. Beyond that it's the equivalent of (very) low dose HGH. The mechanism of action, simplicity of use, and relative safety make it, imo, better suited for long, essentially indefinite use for the "anti-aging" crowd.

For bodybuilding purposes HGH is in another league, but I wouldn't want to run HGH forever, for a number of reasons.

What's funny is the anti-AIDS retroviral drugs that cause the visceral fat increase that Tesa was approved to treat (because of psychological distress caused by poor body image), aren't even used very much anymore, replaced by better drugs that don't cause the same issue. It makes me wonder who they're writing Egrifta prescriptions for. Unlike HGH, it's not illegal to prescribe Tesa for "off label" purposes.

They're about to release a new version (F8) that means smaller volume injections can be used, so there must be a decent sized market to make that effort with it.

That is what I was thinking. It seems to just be equivalent to lwo dose HGH and I don't even know why you would run just that for bodybuilding.

 

[Ghoul]

That is what I was thinking. It seems to just be equivalent to lwo dose HGH and I don't even know why you would run just that for bodybuilding.

It's not really a bodybuilding compound when hgh is available, otoh, it's not entirely useless either.

Waiting for Type IIx's book to see if very long term use of HGH is more feasible than I've concluded thus far.

I'd say based on the reviews I've seen anyone starting out would do well to get that as a "users manual".

May all be moot anyway depending on what happens in the market. HGH is the only protein/peptide they can unquestionably stop under current US laws, so pricing may get crazy vs what we've seen lately.