Its sickening. When they weak germaphobes get cancer years from now because they were manipulated into being gerbils, hopefully my tax dollars wont have to pay for their treatment that would have to been needed if they were not such cowards.
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Will you get the covid vaccine ?
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shackleford
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Man, i hope you're wrong, but the truth is nobody know what the long term effects are.
So if i understand correctly, the vaccine is a strand if mRNA? The purpose of which is to code proteins, right? Using the body's existing cells. This is unlike any other vaccine in the past and is basically how a virus works. They are essentially injecting a virus into people.
Is my understanding correct?
This is DNA manipulation. GENETICS. This is not exposing a tiny bit of covid to the body to form antibodies...
Correct me if i'm wrong.
shackleford
Banned
If we end up finding anything out in regard to this, I'll be sure to share the info.
That's basically correct with one clarification - only the virus spike protein(s) is being produced which then embeds itself in the cell wall and exposes itself to the extracellular space to illicit the immune response.
I got the vaccine recently, though I didn't want to.
The way I see it we have 2 options:
1. Get COVID
2. Get vaccinated
Y'all probably know me by now. I am a very logical and critical thinker, particularly when it comes to my life choices. I make lists, hammer out pros and cons, deliberate on variables and things that effect my choices and their outcomes.
So, for me, and probably for many of you, here are the facts:
It is extremely low likelihood that I would get COVID bad. However, there are a plethora studies coming out that are showing a high prevalence of long term detrimental effects from even mild-moderate COVID sufferers. Currently estimates of prevalence for long term sufferers compared to patients that contracted COVID-19 range from 10-30%. There was some tech CEO that recently kiled himself because his life had gotten so unbearable due to his horrible long term COVID symptoms... and he isn't the only one who's committed suicide due to the life-ruining long term effects of COVID.
The most common of these are chronic fatigue (sometimes debilitating), weakness, insomnia, shortness of breath, headaches, brain fog, depression, and anxiety, loss of taste/smell, among others.
Of those, I do definitely take depression and anxiety with a grain of salt. IMO there's two things to consider here. Yes, we KNOW COVID has neurological effects which is quite scary. However, there is a lot of shit going on in the world and people's lives right now, and depression and anxiety are likely to be heightened in most people regardless of COVID status. There's too many variables to ascribe those symptoms just to COVID.
Regardless, the horror stories of people who were in good health and now can't even walk up a flight of stairs without being deathly winded and light headed are very scary. My entire life revoles around being active. Biking, hiking, lifting, doing shit around the house. I know that if I suffered from that degree of fatigue for any number of months I know for a fact I would be contemplting suicide too.
With the long term symptoms of COVID KNOWN, we must also consider the vaccine. There is no denying that the vaccines were rushed through clinical trials and currently are being used as emergency drugs. These vaccines were made with a profit motive, not a selfless one. The last rounds of clinicals before emergency auth were around 30,000 people, if I remember correctly. That is NOT adequate for something that will be given to billions of people worldwide. As such, new side effects and complications surfaced once widespread distribution began. However, this was seen as something necessary to restart the economy and all that, so they approved it and are doling out doses in the hundreds of millions here in the US. Of those, near 100% have been totally fine--a much higher perventage than those who actually contracted COVID.
I am certainly cincerned about both the short term and potential long term side effects to these vaccines. Short term, I experienced diarrhea and some fatigue for a few days after my first dose. It wasn't fun, but it wasn't horrible either. I didn't get the sore arm or flu like symptoms. Just GI problems and some fatigue, wanting to take naps during the day, feeling iut of gas while lifting, etc. These subsided after a few days, with the fatigue lasting around a week.
Long term, what could happen? We don't really know. What we do know is that the social media scare campaigns about a kill switch in the vaccine that will set off when it encounters a predetermined strain of COVID are fucking straight up Bull Shit with a captial BS. The idea that some special strain will cause a "cytokine storm" and kill the host is just fucking retarded and makes no actual sense. They suggest there is skme massive conspiracy to murder the entire population of the world? Lmfao what the fuck is that!? This is nothing but lies designed to scare the scientifically illiterate who believe everything they see on social media.
Three of my family members got COVID, one had fatigue and bad symptoms for 10 weeks, the other was knocked out for 10 days then recovered, though it's hard to say if she has any long term symptoms due to preexisting mental health issues. The last one was fine, had few symptoms and zero long term issues.
No, the vaccines don't protect you 100%. They do seem to prevent near 100% of hospitalizations and also seem to help people recover faster if they get a mild case. More data shows them to be highly effective.
Lastly I want to say: I fucking hate big pharma. My primary values in life are the earth/helping the environment, equality, compassiom and empathy. I loathe out of control captilism and the materialism and greed that it breeds. I despise these massive corporations and monopolies that take advantage of The People and the environment, treating us like garbage and sucking us dry of life and passion for profit, because our government representatives are on their dick. I did NOT want to get the vaccine and I am strongly against these companies, but I can't let my loathing of big pharma get it the way of my health.
So, in summary:
- We KNOW even mild COVID sufferers can get very bad long term symptoms, potentially at rates as high as 30% of COVID sufferers.
- We know that an unknown percentage, but fairly decent number of people, have debilitating, life ruining long term symptoms.
- There is question as to whether the neurological aspect of COVID will increase risk of dementia/Alzheimers later in life, or other neurodegenerative diseases. One of my worst fears is losing my mind when I'm old.
- Hundreds of millions of people have gotten the vaccine so far and near 100% of them have been fine. No long term symptoms are currently KNOWN at this time.
With all that in mind, I got the vaccine. I am not willing to take such a large risk at long term health consequences from the virus itself. I would much rather be protected.
Some relevant studies:
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
The way I see it we have 2 options:
1. Get COVID
2. Get vaccinated
Y'all probably know me by now. I am a very logical and critical thinker, particularly when it comes to my life choices. I make lists, hammer out pros and cons, deliberate on variables and things that effect my choices and their outcomes.
So, for me, and probably for many of you, here are the facts:
It is extremely low likelihood that I would get COVID bad. However, there are a plethora studies coming out that are showing a high prevalence of long term detrimental effects from even mild-moderate COVID sufferers. Currently estimates of prevalence for long term sufferers compared to patients that contracted COVID-19 range from 10-30%. There was some tech CEO that recently kiled himself because his life had gotten so unbearable due to his horrible long term COVID symptoms... and he isn't the only one who's committed suicide due to the life-ruining long term effects of COVID.
The most common of these are chronic fatigue (sometimes debilitating), weakness, insomnia, shortness of breath, headaches, brain fog, depression, and anxiety, loss of taste/smell, among others.
Of those, I do definitely take depression and anxiety with a grain of salt. IMO there's two things to consider here. Yes, we KNOW COVID has neurological effects which is quite scary. However, there is a lot of shit going on in the world and people's lives right now, and depression and anxiety are likely to be heightened in most people regardless of COVID status. There's too many variables to ascribe those symptoms just to COVID.
Regardless, the horror stories of people who were in good health and now can't even walk up a flight of stairs without being deathly winded and light headed are very scary. My entire life revoles around being active. Biking, hiking, lifting, doing shit around the house. I know that if I suffered from that degree of fatigue for any number of months I know for a fact I would be contemplting suicide too.
With the long term symptoms of COVID KNOWN, we must also consider the vaccine. There is no denying that the vaccines were rushed through clinical trials and currently are being used as emergency drugs. These vaccines were made with a profit motive, not a selfless one. The last rounds of clinicals before emergency auth were around 30,000 people, if I remember correctly. That is NOT adequate for something that will be given to billions of people worldwide. As such, new side effects and complications surfaced once widespread distribution began. However, this was seen as something necessary to restart the economy and all that, so they approved it and are doling out doses in the hundreds of millions here in the US. Of those, near 100% have been totally fine--a much higher perventage than those who actually contracted COVID.
I am certainly cincerned about both the short term and potential long term side effects to these vaccines. Short term, I experienced diarrhea and some fatigue for a few days after my first dose. It wasn't fun, but it wasn't horrible either. I didn't get the sore arm or flu like symptoms. Just GI problems and some fatigue, wanting to take naps during the day, feeling iut of gas while lifting, etc. These subsided after a few days, with the fatigue lasting around a week.
Long term, what could happen? We don't really know. What we do know is that the social media scare campaigns about a kill switch in the vaccine that will set off when it encounters a predetermined strain of COVID are fucking straight up Bull Shit with a captial BS. The idea that some special strain will cause a "cytokine storm" and kill the host is just fucking retarded and makes no actual sense. They suggest there is skme massive conspiracy to murder the entire population of the world? Lmfao what the fuck is that!? This is nothing but lies designed to scare the scientifically illiterate who believe everything they see on social media.
Three of my family members got COVID, one had fatigue and bad symptoms for 10 weeks, the other was knocked out for 10 days then recovered, though it's hard to say if she has any long term symptoms due to preexisting mental health issues. The last one was fine, had few symptoms and zero long term issues.
No, the vaccines don't protect you 100%. They do seem to prevent near 100% of hospitalizations and also seem to help people recover faster if they get a mild case. More data shows them to be highly effective.
Lastly I want to say: I fucking hate big pharma. My primary values in life are the earth/helping the environment, equality, compassiom and empathy. I loathe out of control captilism and the materialism and greed that it breeds. I despise these massive corporations and monopolies that take advantage of The People and the environment, treating us like garbage and sucking us dry of life and passion for profit, because our government representatives are on their dick. I did NOT want to get the vaccine and I am strongly against these companies, but I can't let my loathing of big pharma get it the way of my health.
So, in summary:
- We KNOW even mild COVID sufferers can get very bad long term symptoms, potentially at rates as high as 30% of COVID sufferers.
- We know that an unknown percentage, but fairly decent number of people, have debilitating, life ruining long term symptoms.
- There is question as to whether the neurological aspect of COVID will increase risk of dementia/Alzheimers later in life, or other neurodegenerative diseases. One of my worst fears is losing my mind when I'm old.
- Hundreds of millions of people have gotten the vaccine so far and near 100% of them have been fine. No long term symptoms are currently KNOWN at this time.
With all that in mind, I got the vaccine. I am not willing to take such a large risk at long term health consequences from the virus itself. I would much rather be protected.
Some relevant studies:
Long-Term Respiratory and Neurological Sequelae of COVID-19 - PubMed
Since the initial reports of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) in China in late 2019, infections from severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) have spread rapidly, resulting in a global pandemic that has caused millions of deaths. Initially, the large number of infected...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
The impact of nutrition on COVID-19 susceptibility and long-term consequences - PubMed
While all groups are affected by the COVID-19 pandemic, the elderly, underrepresented minorities, and those with underlying medical conditions are at the greatest risk. The high rate of consumption of diets high in saturated fats, sugars, and refined carbohydrates (collectively called Western...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Long term respiratory complications of covid-19 - PubMed
Long term respiratory complications of covid-19
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Healing after COVID-19: are survivors at risk for pulmonary fibrosis? - PubMed
The novel SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus, which is responsible for COVID-19 disease, was first reported in Wuhan, China, in December of 2019. The virus rapidly spread, and the World Health Organization declared a pandemic by March 2020. With millions of confirmed cases worldwide, there is growing...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Endothelial dysfunction in COVID-19: a position paper of the ESC Working Group for Atherosclerosis and Vascular Biology, and the ESC Council of Basic Cardiovascular Science - PubMed
The COVID-19 pandemic is an unprecedented healthcare emergency causing mortality and illness across the world. Although primarily affecting the lungs, the SARS-CoV-2 virus also affects the cardiovascular system. In addition to cardiac effects, e.g. myocarditis, arrhythmias, and myocardial...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
I appreciate all that info. And I do know you are very logical with how you view things. You said you got the vax but not really your choice. If you HAD the choice would you still get it?I got the vaccine recently, though I didn't want to.
The way I see it we have 2 options:
1. Get COVID
2. Get vaccinated
Y'all probably know me by now. I am a very logical and critical thinker, particularly when it comes to my life choices. I make lists, hammer out pros and cons, deliberate on variables and things that effect my choices and their outcomes.
So, for me, and probably for many of you, here are the facts:
It is extremely low likelihood that I would get COVID bad. However, there are a plethora studies coming out that are showing a high prevalence of long term detrimental effects from even mild-moderate COVID sufferers. Currently estimates of prevalence for long term sufferers compared to patients that contracted COVID-19 range from 10-30%. There was some tech CEO that recently kiled himself because his life had gotten so unbearable due to his horrible long term COVID symptoms... and he isn't the only one who's committed suicide due to the life-ruining long term effects of COVID.
The most common of these are chronic fatigue (sometimes debilitating), weakness, insomnia, shortness of breath, headaches, brain fog, depression, and anxiety, loss of taste/smell, among others.
Of those, I do definitely take depression and anxiety with a grain of salt. IMO there's two things to consider here. Yes, we KNOW COVID has neurological effects which is quite scary. However, there is a lot of shit going on in the world and people's lives right now, and depression and anxiety are likely to be heightened in most people regardless of COVID status. There's too many variables to ascribe those symptoms just to COVID.
Regardless, the horror stories of people who were in good health and now can't even walk up a flight of stairs without being deathly winded and light headed are very scary. My entire life revoles around being active. Biking, hiking, lifting, doing shit around the house. I know that if I suffered from that degree of fatigue for any number of months I know for a fact I would be contemplting suicide too.
With the long term symptoms of COVID KNOWN, we must also consider the vaccine. There is no denying that the vaccines were rushed through clinical trials and currently are being used as emergency drugs. These vaccines were made with a profit motive, not a selfless one. The last rounds of clinicals before emergency auth were around 30,000 people, if I remember correctly. That is NOT adequate for something that will be given to billions of people worldwide. As such, new side effects and complications surfaced once widespread distribution began. However, this was seen as something necessary to restart the economy and all that, so they approved it and are doling out doses in the hundreds of millions here in the US. Of those, near 100% have been totally fine--a much higher perventage than those who actually contracted COVID.
I am certainly cincerned about both the short term and potential long term side effects to these vaccines. Short term, I experienced diarrhea and some fatigue for a few days after my first dose. It wasn't fun, but it wasn't horrible either. I didn't get the sore arm or flu like symptoms. Just GI problems and some fatigue, wanting to take naps during the day, feeling iut of gas while lifting, etc. These subsided after a few days, with the fatigue lasting around a week.
Long term, what could happen? We don't really know. What we do know is that the social media scare campaigns about a kill switch in the vaccine that will set off when it encounters a predetermined strain of COVID are fucking straight up Bull Shit with a captial BS. The idea that some special strain will cause a "cytokine storm" and kill the host is just fucking retarded and makes no actual sense. They suggest there is skme massive conspiracy to murder the entire population of the world? Lmfao what the fuck is that!? This is nothing but lies designed to scare the scientifically illiterate who believe everything they see on social media.
Three of my family members got COVID, one had fatigue and bad symptoms for 10 weeks, the other was knocked out for 10 days then recovered, though it's hard to say if she has any long term symptoms due to preexisting mental health issues. The last one was fine, had few symptoms and zero long term issues.
No, the vaccines don't protect you 100%. They do seem to prevent near 100% of hospitalizations and also seem to help people recover faster if they get a mild case. More data shows them to be highly effective.
Lastly I want to say: I fucking hate big pharma. My primary values in life are the earth/helping the environment, equality, compassiom and empathy. I loathe out of control captilism and the materialism and greed that it breeds. I despise these massive corporations and monopolies that take advantage of The People and the environment, treating us like garbage and sucking us dry of life and passion for profit, because our government representatives are on their dick. I did NOT want to get the vaccine and I am strongly against these companies, but I can't let my loathing of big pharma get it the way of my health.
So, in summary:
- We KNOW even mild COVID sufferers can get very bad long term symptoms, potentially at rates as high as 30% of COVID sufferers.
- We know that an unknown percentage, but fairly decent number of people, have debilitating, life ruining long term symptoms.
- There is question as to whether the neurological aspect of COVID will increase risk of dementia/Alzheimers later in life, or other neurodegenerative diseases. One of my worst fears is losing my mind when I'm old.
- Hundreds of millions of people have gotten the vaccine so far and near 100% of them have been fine. No long term symptoms are currently KNOWN at this time.
With all that in mind, I got the vaccine. I am not willing to take such a large risk at long term health consequences from the virus itself. I would much rather be protected.
Some relevant studies:
Long-Term Respiratory and Neurological Sequelae of COVID-19 - PubMed
Since the initial reports of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) in China in late 2019, infections from severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) have spread rapidly, resulting in a global pandemic that has caused millions of deaths. Initially, the large number of infected...
The impact of nutrition on COVID-19 susceptibility and long-term consequences - PubMed
While all groups are affected by the COVID-19 pandemic, the elderly, underrepresented minorities, and those with underlying medical conditions are at the greatest risk. The high rate of consumption of diets high in saturated fats, sugars, and refined carbohydrates (collectively called Western...
Long term respiratory complications of covid-19 - PubMed
Long term respiratory complications of covid-19
Healing after COVID-19: are survivors at risk for pulmonary fibrosis? - PubMed
The novel SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus, which is responsible for COVID-19 disease, was first reported in Wuhan, China, in December of 2019. The virus rapidly spread, and the World Health Organization declared a pandemic by March 2020. With millions of confirmed cases worldwide, there is growing...
Endothelial dysfunction in COVID-19: a position paper of the ESC Working Group for Atherosclerosis and Vascular Biology, and the ESC Council of Basic Cardiovascular Science - PubMed
The COVID-19 pandemic is an unprecedented healthcare emergency causing mortality and illness across the world. Although primarily affecting the lungs, the SARS-CoV-2 virus also affects the cardiovascular system. In addition to cardiac effects, e.g. myocarditis, arrhythmias, and myocardial...
The problem I always have with studies is they need funding. Scientists make their living off of that. Who is going to fund these studies? Pharma? The CDC? Do studies that don’t find anything receive further funding? No. Why bother. So to keep your paycheck these guys need to have findings. Otherwise it’s back to writing grant applications or the Pharma company that sponsors them lays them off. How many studies do you think Big Pharma shelved because the outcome wasn’t financially beneficial. This is how we have the shitty “Food pyramid” and “Red meat and saturated fats cause heart disease”.
Look at the “long term effects”. You quoted them as “The most common of these are chronic fatigue (sometimes debilitating), weakness, insomnia, shortness of breath, headaches, brain fog, depression, and anxiety, loss of taste/smell, among others.”
Those are pretty general and anyone of us has those symptoms on any given day. It’s easy to make the false correlation that it’s attributed to the coronavirus. Those are just very common symptoms in general.
How does a viral infection that you recover from lead to those symptoms lasting for the rest of your life?
chronic fatigue, depression and anxiety can also be caused by shitty nutrition, being overweight, and general dissatisfaction with life in general (ie shitty marriage, shitty job, financial stress, addiction, alcoholism, etc). We all get “stuck in a rut”. Tossing a “covid victim card” is a way some of these people justify feeling sorry for themselves.
I’m in no way saying covid isn’t serious. I’m not downplaying people dying. I’m sorry if anyone lost anyone. But a lot of the information being pumped out is pushing a definite agenda. Big Pharma is making a lot of money off of this and it is just ONE disease. Two-part vaccine, then booster after 6 months, then what? Big Pharma wants to BE your immune system. Pay them and they’ll make everything all better. Our bodies adapt and overcome. Darwinism use to be recognized science until the democrats hijacked “follow the science”. No the science says we need Big Pharma and the government to help the human species survive.
I have an 87 year old uncle with Alzheimer’s and dementia. He requires constant care. He’s locked away in a nursing home that will drain all of his finances. If that was a dog or pet, we would call that inhumane. Covid still hasn’t taken him and to be honest, that would be a good, painless way for him to go. He lived his life and is no longer “living”. We’re making decisions that aren’t really natural anymore. And for what benefit?
both posts are good
yeah "covid long term effects" lol. they made that shit up when they realized that the cat was out of the bag and obese people with 20 million health problems were getting the virus and not even sick. they had to come up with something to keep people thinking it was actually any sort of health risk, so they listed every symptom that anyone can suffer at any time and blamed it on the virus and th placebo affect had the mentally weak gullible sheep, many of them say, "omg im not the same I get tired easy" "I didn't get it up, im a covid long hauler"
IMO if the media had never made such a big deal about this no one would know it even happened. ill go so far to say it might possibly be made up considering they can't test for it, false positive, false negative yet the sheep think this is something we need to care about, weak ass virus
yeah "covid long term effects" lol. they made that shit up when they realized that the cat was out of the bag and obese people with 20 million health problems were getting the virus and not even sick. they had to come up with something to keep people thinking it was actually any sort of health risk, so they listed every symptom that anyone can suffer at any time and blamed it on the virus and th placebo affect had the mentally weak gullible sheep, many of them say, "omg im not the same I get tired easy" "I didn't get it up, im a covid long hauler"
IMO if the media had never made such a big deal about this no one would know it even happened. ill go so far to say it might possibly be made up considering they can't test for it, false positive, false negative yet the sheep think this is something we need to care about, weak ass virus
Sorry for the delayed response. Morning time is meso time for me; I struggle to get out big posts during the day. The reason I say I "had to" get it is because of some upcoming obligations I have over the next couple months that will require me to be in very high risk places. I'm not willing to risk getting the virus during this time, so I went ahead and got the vaccine instead. I wasn't forced to get it for my job or anything like that, as some people are.
I am moving to the mountains/country soon. My next property will have be semi-off-the-grid and I work from home. To answer your question directly...If I was already moved and I didn't have the obligations I have here now, I would not get the vaccine yet. I would have rather waited until next year. I most likely would've gotten it eventually though unless some new research came out showing serious deleterious effects (though I think the risk of that is very low).
I totally agree, which is why I put that little bit at the end about how I hate big pharma lol
You are preaching to the choir on these things. I definitely realize that, particularly when it comes to drug development and anything drug-related, you really have to dissect the studies carefully because of the INSANELY LARGE profit motive behind the research. I also hear what you're saying about the symptoms. The only one that is truly unique is loss of taste and smell. I do know someone who had it and they are pretty upset about it. They weren't obese at all, maybe 15 lbs overweight. They have taken advantage of the situation to stop eating vice foods and just eat healthy. When you can taste the sweets, why eat them? So there may be a silver lining in that for some people, but IMO not being able to taste or smell would be a huge quality of life loss. I love smelling flowers and I love making good food.
Regardless, for the other symptoms, yeah there are totally days where I am fatigued and feel tired as shit (usually related to nights where I sleep awfully bad like last night). However, what alarms me is the severity of the fatigue and weakness and the duration of effect. I've known a total of 11 people who have gotten COVID. 1 was a family member and 2 were coworkers. 3 of them have had long term symptoms. None of them had severe cases or had to be hospitalized. I do realize these are all anecdotes, but knowing these people and what they're going through definitely had an impact on my decision.
- One was the loss of taste and smell, my coworker literally can't smell food burning on the stovetop right now, it's nuts. She was fairly healthy, more on the "skinny fat" side of the house, but she walks and hikes with her dog a lot. Thankfully we work in IT so she won't be burning anyone else's dinner (I just thought how shitty it would be for a chef or cook to have long term loss of smell).
- The second of them has moderate fatigue and has been getting headaches almost daily. This was a family member who is in great shape and has done multiple Iron Man races, finishing in the top 25% of people. Now he can run maybe 2 miles before he literally falls out and lays on the ground. His squat went from 350 down to 250 and he can't pump out more than 4 reps before he's out. I've been talking to him a lot lately and he's been quite depressed about the sudden drop in physical prowess (I know that would seriously bother me too, and probably most people here as it really is part of our identity). This has led to depression and anxiety--obviously in this case COVID itself didn't cause the depression or anxiety, but he is worrying about when he will be better, when he will be able to race and lift again, etc. I don't blame him, like I said I'd be doing the same.
- The third was not healthy, also a coworker. Clinically obese but not morbidly obese. He says he's having brain fog (which may very well be due to diet and other factors) and intense fatigue. I take it with a grain of salt, but I've noticed a marked difference in his personality over the last couple months. He contracted COVID in late March, was out for 8 work days, then came back. Since then he just seems really off, I can tell he seems confused, normally he's a sharp guy and quick witted, but lately he's been slow to reply, he's dropped tasks he wouldn't normally drop, etc. The guy LOVES IT (part of why he is overweight is he just plays with his computers and network and IOT stuff all day) and normally is all over anything technical. I can tell he's suffering but there are way too many variables in his life for me to be able to say for sure it's COVID--though COVID was the onset of the issues.
I bring those up because that is 3 out of 11 people I have known. 27%. Now I realize those are only the ones who got diagnosed with COVID. The PCR tests are not fully reliable and I am sure others I know had COVID and didn't know it or had false negatives. Even if it is 3 out of 20, or 15%, as I said previously, for me and my risk tolerance, that is way too large a percentage to risk such awful, life changing detriments.
I find it doubtful that these will last the rest of one's life and I don't think anyone is saying they will (though I honestly don't pay much attention to the news and have zero presence on social media, so maybe they are). The answer as to why the virus causes some long term symptoms is that I don't think anyone knows why yet. Obviously the people suffering from these symptoms are being studied and hopefully we understand what is causing the issues soon.
For me, if I get to choose between getting a vaccine that is almost certainly safe and getting a virus that is 10-30% likely to cause you to have chronic fatigue and headaches, even for just 4 to 6 months...well IMO that is 4 to 6 months of my life that would be gone because of a stupid fucking virus. I have plans I need to fulfill in the next 4 to 6 months and I am not gonna let this stupid virus get in my way. Not to mention that I've already struggled with depression and insomnia enough, I don't need anything that could potentially make that worse or cause a relapse in major depressive disorder. I worked hard to get off anti-depressants. I ain't going back!
I totally agree and I for sure think this is happening. In the vasectomy thread I ranted for a while about kids. My girls sister is a perfect example. Single mom, teacher, works the equivalent of 2 jobs and gets paid shit money and now has shit benefits thanks to the previous governor. She is a complete mess and just has never had her shit together. She got vaccinated, but I guarantee that if she got COVID she would be milking it for as long as possible. The fatigue she has had for years would now be from COVID. People can fool themselves of a lot of things and I am not disregarding that fact. However, I do truly believe many of the anecdotes and studies demonstrating some level of long term effects for various COVID sufferers.
To me, the vaccine is very low risk. There's a lot of bullshit going around on social media. I acknowledge they weren't tested as thoroughly as I would have liked them to be. In the end though, the risk of the vaccines seems much smaller than the risk of COVID. That was the decision maker.
I realize everyone has to make their own choice. My goal for the other post was just to give people a (hopefully) fairly objective thought process to go through to help them determine if it's something they'd want to do or not. There is far too much propaganda out there on both sides. I literally know far-left people who think there's fucking nanotechnology microchips in the vaccine and they won't get it because of that. It's no use when I say I work in tech and I tell them it's fucking impossible for us to do that now and even for the next couple decades, oh and also they all carry fucking smartphones all day and connect them into their cars and computers, so if the government wants to track them they don't need a goddamn microchip in your deltoid. They are just brainwashed by social media. I also see the far-right people who won't get it because they still think COVID is a hoax and all the long term symptoms are a hoax and everything about it is a lie. They literally think the people they know that got COVID are being lied to by the doctors, that they don't have COVID they have something else, that there is hundreds of thousands of medical professionals around the world all in on this conspiracy and somehow they're all keeping it a secret. It's just laughable. Both of these sides are fucking insane and delusional--not living in reality. But that is just what happens when people follow one-sided extremist news sources (or not news sources at all, but get their info off of twitter/social media memes and feeds).
In the end, the biggest takeaway I hope everyone has is that this pathetic thing we call society is fucking fragile as hell. A virus--and not even a particularly lethal one--almost caused our entire hospital and healthcare system to collapse. Shut down our economy and prompted the government to give out $5.4 trillion dollars (although a lot of that unnecessarily went to big businesses thanks to the GOP stimulus bills last year). When shit hits the fan, the government cannot protect us. The senate will spend weeks arguing over bullshit while people starve to death or die in the streets. Your money cannot protect you. Big mansions and fancy cars and things will only make you a target to other people. Be prepared to fend for yourself, but live a life you're proud of so that when you die you can greet death with peace and serenity.
OSHA appears to be passing some liability to employers who mandate the vaccine. Wonder to what degree this will discourage mandates since adverse events will be part of a company's safety record and possibly companies could be on the hook medically/legally for adverse events. Certainly an ambulance chasing lawyer will try to test it out.
"If I require my employees to take the COVID-19 vaccine as a condition of their employment, are adverse reactions to the vaccine recordable?
"If you require your employees to be vaccinated as a condition of employment (i.e., for work-related reasons), then any adverse reaction to the COVID-19 vaccine is work-related. The adverse reaction is recordable if it is a new case under 29 CFR 1904.6 and meets one or more of the general recording criteria in 29 CFR 1904.7."
www.enr.com
"If I require my employees to take the COVID-19 vaccine as a condition of their employment, are adverse reactions to the vaccine recordable?
"If you require your employees to be vaccinated as a condition of employment (i.e., for work-related reasons), then any adverse reaction to the COVID-19 vaccine is work-related. The adverse reaction is recordable if it is a new case under 29 CFR 1904.6 and meets one or more of the general recording criteria in 29 CFR 1904.7."
OSHA Imposes New Guidance For Employer-Required COVID-19 Vaccines
Contractors, construction industry groups say guidance contradicts administration's desire to encourage employees to get vaccinated.
www.enr.com
Cookieman
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I personally know of someone that died 3 days after taking the J&J vaccine. She was 70 yrs old, had Covid already. She died from blood clots in her lungs. Doctors said she died from post Covid symptoms, not vaccine..Shocker...
My brother's gf has cancer, 2nd bout of breast cancer. She unfortunately contracted Covid19 and was ICU for 9 days. When she came home from the hospital she was oxygen dependant for approximately 1 month. A few weeks later, she was complaining of severe back pain. Goes back to hospital only to find out that the cancer had moved to her spine. Her medical records now indicate that the spine cancer is Covid related? I personally don't buy that at all.. She is refusing vaccine due to the person that we know of that passed away after being vaccinated
My brother's gf has cancer, 2nd bout of breast cancer. She unfortunately contracted Covid19 and was ICU for 9 days. When she came home from the hospital she was oxygen dependant for approximately 1 month. A few weeks later, she was complaining of severe back pain. Goes back to hospital only to find out that the cancer had moved to her spine. Her medical records now indicate that the spine cancer is Covid related? I personally don't buy that at all.. She is refusing vaccine due to the person that we know of that passed away after being vaccinated
If anyone knows a site that has info on the covid vaccine cards please PM me
Human_backhoe
New Member
If anyone knows a site that has info on the covid vaccine cards please PM me
If you wouldn't mind forwarding that to me it would be greatly appreciated hahah!
MisterSuperGod
New Member
Doing a Google image search shows what they look like. You could probably reproduce that in MS paint.
If i have time later i'll see if i can finagle a plausible facsimile.
If i have time later i'll see if i can finagle a plausible facsimile.
I’ve seen them online. Apparently there’s forums that tell you how to do it right down to what brand/thickness of card stock. I can’t find it though. I know they are 4x3 from the plastic covers they sell. You’re allowed to “trim” even the legitimate ones to get them to fit.
I need one of the far right guys to help with a spoon feed!
I need one of the far right guys to help with a spoon feed!
MisterSuperGod
New Member
i found one that doesn't blur when zooming in or cropping. It's an easy Google search away. Don't want to post it outright without approval from the boss.
Well now I’m definitely not getting it. Send the feds, Joe.
I got my 2nd Pfizer shot yesterday and feeling kinda crap today and my technical IT team call today turned into a shitshow LOL as I was kinda foggy. Nothing beats getting laughed at on Zoom when I'm half dead!
I was assured this feeling should wear off by tomorrow...
I was assured this feeling should wear off by tomorrow...
I’ll just say that the great state of Tennessee sure makes it easy. They have a pdf copy of what the card “should look like”.
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