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Hello Meso Members! I finally had to make an account on here. Been using this website for info for awhile, and now decided to get more involved.

I am 22, been seriously bodybuilding since i was 18. I admire the old school athletes of the sport, and have plans to compete in the new "classic" division of bodybuilding. Bodybuilding is a serious passion and i hope to go as far as i can with it.

I am 5'9 and 190 pounds before bed. I have literally been bulking since i started seriously training. I was a small skinny kid my whole life, so i have brutal ectomorph genetics. However I have packed on a lot of mass and beginning to obtain a physique.

I fucked around with pro hormones (m-sten and eepistane) about a year ago, and now suffer from low Test:/ I was ignorant and excited to get that "edge" without really researching enough about these products. I used shitty OTC post cycle therapy, and I believe i have genetically lower test levels. This would make sense to why my levels haven't came back to normal even after a year of not touching anything hormonal. After that, i really was mad at myself and got into researching heavily into everything related to bodybuilding. I messed up, but now i have learned from that experience.

After those cycles and pct, i have been stuck in a long plateau. My strength and energy is awful considering my total Test is averaging at 181. I got a blood test right before seeing a doctor.

About 3 months ago i was sick of not improving along with constantly being lethargic. I went to a Doctor to get tests done and see what the likely hood of needed hormone therapy would be. To be honest i am fine going on TRT. The doctor had me do many tests ( hormone panels, and mri). My labs were all great, besides my lh,fsh, testosterone, and thyroid were low. The doc was a very unhelpful doctor and didn't even give a referral to another doctor. I looked up a local endocrinologist, and made an appointment to see him...

This doc was much better and i told him everything. He also required me to do more tests...So now this where im at.

He prescribed me 125mcg of thyroid ED. I will be doing this for two months.
I am 2 weeks into treatment and still feel crappy. Weak in the gym, and tired all the time.

So as an introduction, i guess im also looking for advice and confirmation that the doctor is doing the right thing.

if this thyroid treatment doesn't work, then is TRT the next option? i asked him that and he said he didn't know.

Thanks for any input. I really want to have to just get my hormones in check, and get back to training like a animal. If i am prescribed trt, i will have no intentions of cycling at least for a few years.

Should have probably put this in a different forum section....If you guys have any questions or answers id really appreciate it. Im happy to be a part of a largely educated group of people with the same interests as me.
 
Yo Mudd,
those pro hormones and GNC store PCT products can really have a brother fucked up for a while. Glad to hear you found yourself an endo, hopefully you can get your levels recovered. Did your Dr talk to you about using clomid or nolva... ie, a real PCT to help you reboot your HPTA? Try whatever you can to avoid a life of TRT, the rest of your life is a real long time at 22.
Also, would not hurt to take 10,000 iu of Vitamin D daily. It's a vitamin that is almost a hormone and plays a big role in testosterone production.
Do you have a screen shot of your blood test you post, with your ID info blurred out.

I hope you stick around the forums and pass along your wisdom to the other young guys that come here wanting to jump on a cycle.
 
Burrr said:
Yo Mudd,
those pro hormones and GNC store PCT products can really have a brother fucked up for a while. Glad to hear you found yourself an endo, hopefully you can get your levels recovered. Did your Dr talk to you about using clomid or nolva... ie, a real PCT to help you reboot your HPTA? Try whatever you can to avoid a life of TRT, the rest of your life is a real long time at 22.
Also, would not hurt to take 10,000 iu of Vitamin D daily. It's a vitamin that is almost a hormone and plays a big role in testosterone production.
Do you have a screen shot of your blood test you post, with your ID info blurred out.

I hope you stick around the forums and pass along your wisdom to the other young guys that come here wanting to jump on a cycle.
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Much agreed, and thank you for the advice and information! .. Pro hormones are dangerous as any hormonal product. I unfortunately was to excited over them, to first research and understand what they even are. Sadly anyone bodybuilding gets that urge to "hop on" anything that makes gains. Young adults are definitely more prone to hop on a PH cycle without understanding the consequences. TO any teen reading this..DONT MESS WITH PROHORMONES. They are shitty alternatives to real anabolic drugs. Just continue to learn and train, and their will be a time you can much more effectively and wisely use gear.

Back to my dilemma.. The doc has not talked to me about Clomid, or trt. Depending how this thyroid hormone works, we will then have that discussion.

The way i see it, i basically have 2 options.. Use clomid and possibly Hcg over a extended period of time and slowly bring my levels back up. Not sure how great they were before tbh. This is assuming it even works, and my levels dont go back down after using clomid. Ive read some interesting articles that patients levels dont come up by much, and sometimes go back down months after use.

The other option is trt.. The good part is my levels will be brought back to high/optimal. I will have these levels for life, and for bodybuilding concerns thats fantastic. As well as having the ability to easily blast and cruise. Then their is the obvious drawbacks...Fertility, pinning weekly, and never being able to be off the drug. Other side effects are based on lifestyle choices and overall health.

Between the two, the long lasting effectiveness of trt merits why id choose it. The only reason being because i plan on bodybuilding for a long time, possibly competing as well. I sacrifice some aspects of life to be successful in others. If bodybuilding doesnt work out, id still love to be involved around the sport and maintain a healthy physique. Im in school for ATEP right now, and plan to learn a lot more about my own body along the way. Clomid seems like more trial and error for little benefit, and possibly emotional side effects (which i suck at handling lol). Not to mention that id still likely be stuck in this plateau


Well hopefully some of you agree, but for the doctors on here...Would my doctor even prescribe trt? If this thyroid replacement doesn't seem to help my test levels? The diagnosis should be genetically low testosterone mixed without prohomorne induced hypogonadism. But im not sure if the doc is gonna continue with even more tests or just fix whats the paper shows in low...

Thanks for input everyone, glad to be a part of Meso
 
Looks like you would benefit from nolva and clomid, they shoul;d help to het the LH and FSH numbers back up.
I'm not sure where your Dr is going with the thyroid meds
 
Welcome Mudd! Hope you get ur endo back on track brother. Yours is a cautionary tail for sure and you'll have plenty to offer the endless stream of youngsters looking to screw themselves up.
 
Burrr said:
Yo Mudd,
those pro hormones and GNC store PCT products can really have a brother fucked up for a while. Glad to hear you found yourself an endo, hopefully you can get your levels recovered. Did your Dr talk to you about using clomid or nolva... ie, a real PCT to help you reboot your HPTA? Try whatever you can to avoid a life of TRT, the rest of your life is a real long time at 22.
Also, would not hurt to take 10,000 iu of Vitamin D daily. It's a vitamin that is almost a hormone and plays a big role in testosterone production.
Do you have a screen shot of your blood test you post, with your ID info blurred out.

I hope you stick around the forums and pass along your wisdom to the other young guys that come here wanting to jump on a cycle.
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Old friends I see.
 
Big_paul said:
I'm not getting at anything. Simply asking if you know him ?

That's all.
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Nope, dont know him. I thought you were implying that I was involved in some sort of shenanigans with him. Has he posted or done something shady?
I've been pretty chill around here lately, not stirring the pot at all. lol
 
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