War - What is it good for?

[flenser]

what conspiracy are you referring too? the USA takes Muslim oil? the USA hasn't taken shit! we buy from most countries including Russia. China has no oil, so we buy all of China's cheap ass shit. that is forced down our throats by greedy ass US companies.

Muslims have no issues with killing woman and children. Muslims have the thinnest skin of any body. Muslims will kill you over a blood feud several hundred years old. if some how the family gets shamed. they get to rape a young woman, kill her, ect.. boys are treated as little fuck buddies. I can go on and on, but it is like talking to a wall when you can't accept the truth that is smacking you in the face. when you open your eyes to what is happening, maybe you can face the truth. I'm not making this up, just look around it is happening every place.

So they DO eat Christian babies..

Seriously, I’m well aware of Muslim culture and religion. I sure wouldn’t choose to live among them (or move to an inner city slum for that matter) any more than I would whack a hornets nest with a stick. I’m very happy minding my own business. More to the point, I wouldn’t arm them and train them before deciding to drop bombs on them. It sort of defeats the purpose. Well, unless you sell munitions. Like I said, very fortuitous..

This, “the USA hasn't taken shit!”, is the funniest thing I’ve read in a while. I’m not into conspiracy theories, but I do have eyes and one or two functional brains cells. It doesn’t require much cloak and dagger reasoning to figure out who profits. I’m a capitalist, and I invest accordingly.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I haven't counted them, but I will. And I wouldn't doubt that you are correct. But I think the more apt statement would have been "Muslims are INVOLVED IN" not necessarily responsible for.

If you have a coworker that is unable to get along with everyone in the office, where does the problem lie? With the coworker or everyone else?

Since Islam's inception, it has fought with everyone it has ever encountered, regardless of race, religion or creed, and continues to do so to this day.

 

[kawilt]

If you have a coworker that is unable to get along with everyone in the office, where does the problem lie? With the coworker or everyone else?

Since Islam's inception, it has fought with everyone it has ever encountered, regardless of race, religion or creed, and continues to do so to this day.

CBS..You are really trying to oversimplify this. Like I Said "nothing happens in a vacuum". I can't answer to the office coworker, since I don't know what may have happened outside the office, or elsewhere, involving him (or her) and everyone else that works in the office.

 

[flenser]

If you have a coworker that is unable to get along with everyone in the office, where does the problem lie? With the coworker or everyone else?

Since Islam's inception, it has fought with everyone it has ever encountered, regardless of race, religion or creed, and continues to do so to this day.

So CBS, are you offering a solution here, or just pointing out the obvious? This thread is about war after all, and you're talking about nearly 2 billion people, most of whom have never fired a gun.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

CBS..You are really trying to oversimplify this. Like I Said "nothing happens in a vacuum". I can't answer to the office coworker, since I don't know what may have happened outside the office, or elsewhere, involving him (or her) and everyone else that works in the office.

Oh, horseshit. It was simple analogy to illustrate a point. You don't want to answer the question, fine. But don't give me some BS excuse that you don't have sufficient information to answer. That was weak.

So CBS, are you offering a solution here, or just pointing out the obvious? This thread is about war after all, and you're talking about nearly 2 billion people, most of whom have never fired a gun.

No, I'm talking about a violent ideology that happens to have almost 2 billion followers. At no point did I suggest all 2 billion of those followers were violent, or believed particularly strongly in that ideology. That doesn't negate my assertion that the ideology itself is violent.

Regarding a solution, I haven't seen too many solutions offered in this thread. Just a lot of trivia.

 

[HuckingFuge]

So they DO eat Christian babies..

Seriously, I’m well aware of Muslim culture and religion. I sure wouldn’t choose to live among them (or move to an inner city slum for that matter) any more than I would whack a hornets nest with a stick. I’m very happy minding my own business. More to the point, I wouldn’t arm them and train them before deciding to drop bombs on them. It sort of defeats the purpose. Well, unless you sell munitions. Like I said, very fortuitous..

This, “the USA hasn't taken shit!”, is the funniest thing I’ve read in a while. I’m not into conspiracy theories, but I do have eyes and one or two functional brains cells. It doesn’t require much cloak and dagger reasoning to figure out who profits. I’m a capitalist, and I invest accordingly.

show me. what has the USA taken from these countries? I know we are doing business with them. Capitalism at its finest. they make money and we make money.


I know the ISIS or ISIL depending on which one you call them killed a lot of Christians as of lately, man, woman, and child. I never said arm these crazies. same thing has been happening in other Muslim countries too. vacuum is a lame excuse for them not to act civilized. they have been taught from a young age to hate Americans and people from the west, mainly Americans. if they want to over throw their governments, cause they are corrupt great. don't blame the USA for their troubles. we did not do it to them.

 

[kawilt]

This is really getting great. I'm having a lot of fun! And cbs, your analogy sucked. I am not trying to get out of answering your questions and implications. But, like I said this morning , I have a job I have to finish to make a bid date. I've got to put this on hold for a while.
And FG, I can think of a lot more than one corrupt government or dictator our government put in to power (not including themselves), and not just in the middle east. Also you might want to look at the origins of ISIS and Al-Queda.

 

[flenser]

show me. what has the USA taken from these countries? I know we are doing business with them. Capitalism at its finest. they make money and we make money.

We take their lives. Isn't that enough?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/03/10/10-companies-profiting-most-from-war/1970997/

I know the ISIS or ISIL depending on which one you call them killed a lot of Christians as of lately, man, woman, and child. I never said arm these crazies. same thing has been happening in other Muslim countries too. vacuum is a lame excuse for them not to act civilized. they have been taught from a young age to hate Americans and people from the west, mainly Americans. if they want to over throw their governments, cause they are corrupt great. don't blame the USA for their troubles. we did not do it to them.

You just topped, “the USA hasn't taken shit!”. You ever hear of the Shah of Iran, or maybe Saddam Husein? What about Saudi Arabia?

 

[HuckingFuge]

all governments are corrupt! show me one that isn't corrupt. don't blame the USA for something everyone else is doing. the USA did not put everyone into power. plus all these so called puppets we put in power seem to do their own thing once in power. if we was pulling the strings. how does that happen? put the blame were the blame belongs. that is at the perpetrators hands. just cause we sell someone guns does not mean those people have to run out and kill innocent people for no other reason than they are non Muslim. the gun did not jump up and go kill someone. the person holding that gun pulled the trigger. look at Rwanda they didn't have guns, so they used machetes. killed over 300,000 in just a week or two. you can not blame the USA, cause we sold guns to who ever. we sold guns to ISIS and they acted a fool, so they are getting exterminated like the worthless people they are.

 

[HuckingFuge]

We take their lives. Isn't that enough?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/03/10/10-companies-profiting-most-from-war/1970997/

You just topped, “the USA hasn't taken shit!”. You ever hear of the Shah of Iran, or maybe Saddam Husein? What about Saudi Arabia?

worthless people like the ISIS or who ever need to be taken out.

what about the Shah, Saddam, and SA? the Shah has't been around in 35 years, Saddam didn't play nice with his neighbors and that is what got him in trouble. I would bitch slap Saudi Arabia. I know the US has made mistakes. you still haven't showed me were the USA took anything.

 

[flenser]

worthless people like the ISIS or who ever need to be taken out.

what about the Shah, Saddam, and SA? the Shah has't been around in 35 years, Saddam didn't play nice with his neighbors and that is what got him in trouble. I would bitch slap Saudi Arabia. I know the US has made mistakes. you still haven't showed me were the USA took anything.

You don't seem to have a lot of historical perspective on any of the events we are talking about. I don't mean this as an insult, but if I have to explain and post links to every detail, I'm going to get bored really fast. This stuff is old news to me. I'm over it and I'm sure I've forgotten a good bit of it. These days if it doesn't help my investments, I pretty much ignore it. Besides, it's no different than the stuff the US and others have been doing since long before any of us were born, and not just to Muslim countries in the ME.

* The CIA overthrew Iran's democratically elected government, and installed the tyrant shah in order to get favorable treatment for US oil companies. A considerable amount of the enmity between the US and Iran comes from the fact Iran's people managed to overthrow the shah and take back their country, overrun the US embassy, and badly embarrass the US.

* The CIA helped Saddam into power. He was employed by the CIA for a time as well. And actually, Saddam DID play nice with his (non-Iranian) neighbors, especially the US, and he never guessed the US was feeding both Iraq and Iran tactical satellite data in the hope they would destroy each other. Saddam invaded Kuwait because they were side drilling into his oil fields. He even asked the US ambassador if this would impact relations with the US, and was told the US would not get involved in "local affairs".

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/14/opinion/a-tyrant-40-years-in-the-making.html

* The US props up the tyrant Saudi regime, again for favorable treatment w.r.t. oil contracts (and other political matters). The Saudi's, of course, fund terrorist organizations similar to what Iran (probably) does.

* BP, Exon, Shell, Occidental and Chevron had NO ACCESS to Iraqi oil fields before the invasion. Guess who runs them now? I actually made quite a bit of money investing in some smaller companies needed to repair and upgrade those fields. In any case, a lot of oil money is flowing to Western corporations as a direct result of the invasion. Money that isn't going to Iraqi companies or workers.

 

[flenser]

Regarding a solution, I haven't seen too many solutions offered in this thread. Just a lot of trivia.

I was interested in what solution you might envision, partly due to your choice of spokesperson earlier - and his employer.

 

[HuckingFuge]

You don't seem to have a lot of historical perspective on any of the events we are talking about. I don't mean this as an insult, but if I have to explain and post links to every detail, I'm going to get bored really fast. This stuff is old news to me. I'm over it and I'm sure I've forgotten a good bit of it. These days if it doesn't help my investments, I pretty much ignore it. Besides, it's no different than the stuff the US and others have been doing since long before any of us were born, and not just to Muslim countries in the ME.

* The CIA overthrew Iran's democratically elected government, and installed the tyrant shah in order to get favorable treatment for US oil companies. A considerable amount of the enmity between the US and Iran comes from the fact Iran's people managed to overthrow the shah and take back their country, overrun the US embassy, and badly embarrass the US.

* The CIA helped Saddam into power. He was employed by the CIA for a time as well. And actually, Saddam DID play nice with his (non-Iranian) neighbors, especially the US, and he never guessed the US was feeding both Iraq and Iran tactical satellite data in the hope they would destroy each other. Saddam invaded Kuwait because they were side drilling into his oil fields. He even asked the US ambassador if this would impact relations with the US, and was told the US would not get involved in "local affairs".

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/14/opinion/a-tyrant-40-years-in-the-making.html

* The US props up the tyrant Saudi regime, again for favorable treatment w.r.t. oil contracts (and other political matters). The Saudi's, of course, fund terrorist organizations similar to what Iran (probably) does.

* BP, Exon, Shell, Occidental and Chevron had NO ACCESS to Iraqi oil fields before the invasion. Guess who runs them now? I actually made quite a bit of money investing in some smaller companies needed to repair and upgrade those fields. In any case, a lot of oil money is flowing to Western corporations as a direct result of the invasion. Money that isn't going to Iraqi companies or workers.

I know about all that old news too. you know why their are no Iraqi companies doing the oil business, cause there has never been any in the first place. the Saudi's don't work on their rids, but they do stand around and get paid. just like the Iraqi's are going to stand around and get paid on the Exxon, BP, Shell, and Chevron ect.. rigs. the ME do not want to work. the ME just want to get paid, so it isn't about jobs we are depriving them from. show me were the US is stealing their oil? it is not happening! I guess when the Saudi people get tired of being held down. than they will rise up. you can't blame the US for something other countries are doing.

 

[heady muscle]

Don't believe everything you see on TV or the newspaper. Propaganda 101.

In fact,
If you haven't read it (Orwell) or saw the movie (Richard Burton) 1984, it is a very good start of understanding how our ideas are shaped by mass media.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four

Maybe if you want to get deep into the understanding of our society: the sane society By erich fromm

 

[Blacken]

I read the book 1984 never knew there was a movie I'll have to watch that.

 

[kawilt]

Just on my way out the door. But you can add to your list the following: Chile, Bolivia, Nicaruaga, Guatemala, South Vietnam and a few more with either direct or indirect involvement by the CIA in who is, or was, in power.
BTW HF. Do some research on specifically who drew up the maps outlining who would get what when the middle east was parceled out after WW1.

 

[HuckingFuge]

Just on my way out the door. But you can add to your list the following: Chile, Bolivia, Nicaruaga, Guatemala, South Vietnam and a few more with either direct or indirect involvement by the CIA in who is, or was, in power.
BTW HF. Do some research on specifically who drew up the maps outlining who would get what when the middle east was parceled out after WW1.

wasn't it US and Britain, maybe Russia? the winners got the spoils. if we really got the spoils why is everyone bucking the system lol

 

[kawilt]

wasn't it US and Britain, maybe Russia? the winners got the spoils. if we really got the spoils why is everyone bucking the system lol

That is funny! "bucking the system" I will take some time maybe later today and give some background and names of just how and really who was instrumental in carving up the "spoils" of the Middle East. I think a lot of people don't really understand this. I am not a Muslim, and I am not a Jew. I am also not an atheist or really a true Christian. I am pro military, and I believe we have the finest fighting men since the Spartans. I think wars are inevitable, and I also believe that we have the warriors that will fight without having to be lied to about the motives behind the decisions to take us into war.

 

[flenser]

wasn't it US and Britain, maybe Russia? the winners got the spoils. if we really got the spoils why is everyone bucking the system lol

"we"? We pay the bills. The spoils go to politicians and corporations.

 

[HuckingFuge]

"we"? We pay the bills. The spoils go to politicians and corporations.

that is so true, but with the sheep being weak minded citizens. I do not see anything changing. the citizen only cares about what the government can do for them and not what they can do for the government mentality. you know something is wrong with the system when the politicians can vote themselves in a raise. WTF!