Astro Labs US Dom and Intl SRC

[Voltrader]

I never said that but I didnt buy alot from that supplier so I need some kind of proof thats not asking alot

Is there a rough time period. I can understand it was a short term thing and possibly somewhat difficult to narrow it down. You should though because I agree with your statement you HAVE HANDLED EVERY OTHER SITUATION ACCORDINGLY. So there is nothing that identifies this small batch?

 

[Astro Labs]

Wow. Top notch...
what's the T/A on this dogshit anyway? And then you gotta run it to determine it's shit, PROVE IT to the source to be reimbursed, then wait again for more untested gear as a replacement??

Oh yeah proof is something that shouldn't be asked for lol ok in what world?

 

[brutus79]

If someone has bloods or a lab max that shows an issue then ill replace the Test.

Laax would show a pass- this is severely underdosed. Basically you want someone to run shit gear for 4-6 weeks and get bloods to get a refund? I understand not wanting to replace gear you didn't sell, but you should have thought of that before you became a distribution outfit instead of just a brewer.

 

[TANGO.ECHO.KILO]

Oh yeah proof is something that shouldn't be asked for lol ok in what world?

That's exactly right...IN WHAT WORLD do I send you MY money and have to prove your product is not what YOU SAY IT IS? How do you even know what it's supposed to be? You do no testing....so you send me a falsely labeled product in exchange for my hard earned cash and the responsibility falls upon ME to prove that your shit is garbage?

Don't worry I'm out of here. I've seen more than enough...

 

[Astro Labs]

Laax would show a pass- this is severely underdosed. Basically you want someone to run shit gear for 4-6 weeks and get bloods to get a refund? I understand not wanting to replace gear you didn't sell, but you should have thought of that before you became a distribution outfit instead of just a brewer.

I'll pay for the bloods good or bad so there's no loss.

I'm sorry I'm asking for proof because I know its going to be quite isolated. My asking for proof of blood work isn't asking alot because I know this is going to be a very small issue so I'm asking for some kind of proof thats it.

 

[Astro Labs]

That's exactly right...IN WHAT WORLD do I send you MY money and have to prove your product is not what YOU SAY IT IS? How do you even know what it's supposed to be? You do no testing....so you send me a falsely labeled product in exchange for my hard earned cash and the responsibility falls upon ME to prove that your shit is garbage?

Don't worry I'm out of here. I've seen more than enough...

Ok a batch of raw was underdosed and now I sell mislabled products and Im a scammer and a piece of shit?

Show me sources testing every batch. You won't you cant because its not that simple. This is a industry where the customer and sources have to work together. I've always encouraged this. When I find a new Mass Spec tester I will state it. But i do care bit I'm also entilted to have some kind of proof.

 

[chewiebaca]

I just said that like 2-3 pgs back. So welcome to the late show. I'm not bashing the noobs. I got bashed and I watched many others get bashed for doing what me and many new guys do. I'm actually defusing the situation when I come in and don't bash and I give guidance on what they should of done.

Anyways if you step out of Astro's thread every once in a while you will see that there are serious matters at hand right now and it should be addressed here but he doesn't want to come forward on here cause just in the time I was sleeping last night we filled up 2 pgs of useless BS. If he did post it here it would be lost in a matter of hours.

Your intentions are good but you bashed him for giving someone advice who asked a question? And he actually answered somewhat intelligently. Had he asked for a source, yeah I get it he shouldn't be doing that. I swear everyone saw jballz and Brutus gaining credibility for bashing noobs and are now trying to do the same shit, the only difference being they were justified. And you really think I don't travel outside this thread? Lol you flaming noobs for posting something not even innapropriate will fill this thread with even more useless posting.

 

[jymis]

I'll pay for the bloods good or bad so there's no loss.

I'm sorry I'm asking for proof because I know its going to be quite isolated. My asking for proof of blood work isn't asking alot because I know this is going to be a very small issue so I'm asking for some kind of proof thats it.

That kind of sucks you are telling people "hey if you want to be made whole, go ahead and run shit worthless cycle, get some bloods, then I'll fix it. So 3 months from now maybe you can run a proper cycle.

 

[Voltrader]

Ok a batch of raw was underdosed and now I sell mislabled products and Im a scammer and a piece of shit?

Show me sources testing every batch. You won't you cant because its not that simple. This is a industry where the customer and sources have to work together. I've always encouraged this. When I find a new Mass Spec tester I will state it. But i do care bit I'm also entilted to have some kind of proof.

So you can't identify this batch? IS this what you are saying.

That kind of sucks you are telling people "hey if you want to be made whole, go ahead and run shit worthless cycle, get some bloods, then I'll fix it. So 3 months from now maybe you can run a proper cycle.

This is well put.

 

[mghoward74]

I'll pay for the bloods good or bad so there's no loss.

I'm sorry I'm asking for proof because I know its going to be quite isolated. My asking for proof of blood work isn't asking alot because I know this is going to be a very small issue so I'm asking for some kind of proof thats it.

All we want is properly dosed gear.

We're asking for.... "Some kind of Proof.....that's it"....as you put it

 

[Moose]

I'll pay for the bloods good or bad so there's no loss.

I'm sorry I'm asking for proof because I know its going to be quite isolated. My asking for proof of blood work isn't asking alot because I know this is going to be a very small issue so I'm asking for some kind of proof thats it.

No loss? WTF? You call guys running six weeks of bad gear so you can have proof no loss?

 

[MassTurk]

Astro. I know you have to be careful with reverse scammers but I know for a fact you get defensive when told about the issue even thru pm.
now we know when your raws came from Bruce group you had bad batches. I had your cyp from that time and I told you it was severely under dosed. You told me no way because there would have been more people with problems coming forward and there were non. I told you I will put them up until I can do testing (lab max or blood) I also told you you were still good in my book just to replace the cyp with different ester on my next order. Since than I have ordered and was satisfied with everything I got.But you still denied there were any problems with your raws from that time and no need for replacements. Fast forward to now, we know for a fact cyp was under dosed and bloods to show it was.do I still need 10 or more members came forward to chime in for you to except my claim? You have been a good source to me, but you are not free of mistakes brother

 

[manic5]

I've been running Astro's products since March 2014 (several packs), tested 2 separate times months apart and both times my test has appeared well out of range. He's also thrown in plenty of extra to make me really feel like I'm getting my money's worth, and I've seen noticeable changes in the mirror. Based on my past experiences, I WILL continue to donate to Astro.

I do NOT believe Astro is a scammer.

The only I do not like is he hasn't explicitly apologized for the error only offered replacements. Shipping replacements goes a long way but it's also about showing that you give a shit that people were injecting faulty products into their bodies.

 

[Astro Labs]

That kind of sucks you are telling people "hey if you want to be made whole, go ahead and run shit worthless cycle, get some bloods, then I'll fix it. So 3 months from now maybe you can run a proper cycle.

No thats not what im saying at all. Inknow that not many peopme could have received this raw because I still have it and only brewed a small amount. I dont have a problem replacing anything never have but there has to be fairness not just oh Astro replace everyones test because one guy had bad results. First off it takes time to figure out who and when. What some are saking is I take care of it right this second for everyone who has bought test.

I'm more then fair always have been always will be. I will be a source as long as I can mentally deal with what comes with being a source. I have always been good to my customers so why shouldn't some customers be reasoable when I am. This is all illegal shit we're involved in. This has to be taken into account. For a UGL I do.my best tonput out the best. Suppliers sell us bad batches we find out we find a.new supplierr it's all good for awhile and boom.

Look at Naps he buys so much Raw.why would anyonenwant to.sell him poor raw? They do though it happens.

I cant please everyone realise this. Also its my ass on the line, it's my freedom I risk to bring what I do. So I have to have some rules in place. I dont ask alot from anyone. I always over compinsate for our mistakes.

This is why I will stay small. Less headaches to deal with and its much easier to control quality. I haven't taken on many customers these last couple months for a reason.

All I can say is sorry to the ones who feel offended or think I dont care because there's countless customers who know I do and there's proof of this. I've been dealing with alot of shit and i webt out ofmy way to make sure it was taken care of. Where most sources would have closed down, dissapeared and explained everything's when they came back. So it's beyond frustrating when some guys come in here and try and make it look like I'm scamming or cheating customers. An issue arrises and im expected to have a solution immeaditly and the solution has to suit surprisingly ones who aren't even effected. I know alot of guys are used to sources being a piece of shit and saying "then dont buy from us" I've never implied that and it's beyond infuraiting that theres members insuating that I'm cheating or trying to cheat people by asking for bloodwork. I'm willing to even pay for it. That doeant mean I hope guys have a shity few weeks of a cycle. I don't want anyone to have anythind less the stellar gains. So when someone says thats what I'm saying by get blood work done thats not what I mean why would I want that? If anyones dead set on that then I'm sorry you feal that way but you have the wrong impression of me.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

No thats not what im saying at all. Inknow that not many peopme could have received this raw because I still have it and only brewed a small amount. I dont have a problem replacing anything never have but there has to be fairness not just oh Astro replace everyones test because one guy had bad results. First off it takes time to figure out who and when. What some are saking is I take care of it right this second for everyone who has bought test.

I'm more then fair always have been always will be. I will be a source as long as I can mentally deal with what comes with being a source. I have always been good to my customers so why shouldn't some customers be reasoable when I am. This is all illegal shit we're involved in. This has to be taken into account. For a UGL I do.my best tonput out the best. Suppliers sell us bad batches we find out we find a.new supplierr it's all good for awhile and boom.

Look at Naps he buys so much Raw.why would anyonenwant to.sell him poor raw? They do though it happens.

I cant please everyone realise this. Also its my ass on the line, it's my freedom I risk to bring what I do. So I have to have some rules in place. I dont ask alot from anyone. I always over compinsate for our mistakes.

This is why I will stay small. Less headaches to deal with and its much easier to control quality. I haven't taken on many customers these last couple months for a reason.

All I can say is sorry to the ones who feel offended or think I dont care because there's countless customers who know I do and there's proof of this. I've been dealing with alot of shit and i webt out ofmy way to make sure it was taken care of. Where most sources would have closed down, dissapeared and explained everything's when they came back. So it's beyond frustrating when some guys come in here and try and make it look like I'm scamming or cheating customers. An issue arrises and im expected to have a solution immeaditly and the solution has to suit surprisingly ones who aren't even effected. I know alot of guys are used to sources being a piece of shit and saying "then dont buy from us" I've never implied that and it's beyond infuraiting that theres members insuating that I'm cheating or trying to cheat people by asking for bloodwork. I'm willing to even pay for it. That doeant mean I hope guys have a shity few weeks of a cycle. I don't want anyone to have anythind less the stellar gains. So when someone says thats what I'm saying by get blood work done thats not what I mean why would I want that? If anyones dead set on that then I'm sorry you feal that way but you have the wrong impression of me.

Alright Astro, don't go all MikeStrong on us now...

I think most people probably save correspondence with you for a little while.. Figure out the timeframe this got sent out and give the people that got test e from you during that time something else they want..

Nobody should have to run it for a month and get bloods to be reimbursed.. If I thought there was a chance I had bad gear there's no way I'd waste my time with it.

 

[midland412]

I did recieve my replacement test E about a week ago. This was from May timeframe.

 

[BIGMESC]

It just happens to be Testosterone and blood work is an option but what if it was Deca or Tren? would people have to have mass spec to prove it was low dosed?
@johnnyBALLZ I wish had saved my correspondence from early summer, got some astro Tren E back then but didn't have the dates to show if it was from low dose batch, and I am not one to make a false claim.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

It just happens to be Testosterone and blood work is an option but what if it was Deca or Tren? would people have to have mass spec to prove it was low dosed?
@johnnyBALLZ I wish had saved my correspondence from early summer, got some astro Tren E back then but didn't have the dates to show if it was from low dose batch, and I am not one to make a false claim.

Then he should have to bite the bullet and take some guys at their word.. It's not the customers fault he got a bad batch and didn't test it.. I was just spitballing earlier..

 

[Fragge]

I know that I'm risking the burning of a bridge that I've not even crossed yet, or may not ever want to cross, but I feel that I have to put my 2 cents in here. I already have a trusted source, albeit expensive, and certainly wouldn't mind checking out other sources in the future. Am I "brave" in stating my opinion when I may come back months from now and ask to purchase? I don't know. I'm suppose that many stay silent for just that reason. I guess that if I burn a bridge, so be it. That being said...

People are injecting substances into their body. I think that sources sometimes forget that, and look at "business", raw materials, and the like, instead of understanding that people are putting their lives in the supplier's hands. If a product isn't pure, then what is it? Certainly, the chances are that bad juices are "bad" because they've been cut too much with something that is relatively safe, but then, with no testing, when will something harmful come down the pipe?

Hear me out, because I'm not accusing anyone of not caring, only wanting things put into perspective.

The supplier buys something that has been misrepresented, the supplier's customers inject this substance into their bodies, and it is proven that that substance was not what the customers ordered. Not harmful, but not what was expected either.

If something is not as represented, it could very well be anything, because in this business, you're only as good as your word. There is no FDA ready to torch you, no lawyers to sue you. Only your word. Knowing that one is only as good as their word, in the event that something goes wrong, a man of his word must cast a wide net, in the attempt to make absolutely sure that any bad product is accounted for, even if it means that more good product goes out than what went out bad originally. After all, who is at fault? Surely not the customer.

While it seems reasonable to say, "Prove it, and I'll make it right- no, better than right", one is still left worried about what they're injecting into their bodies, not necessarily because they believe that it is harmful, but because injecting a substance into one's body entails risks, and every injection raises the odds of one encountering an issue. In addition, we are speaking of people's time, blood, and sweat here. You can't give that back.

I, for one, want to make sure that, if at all possible, I get the exact results that I expect, every time that I inject. I'm weighing out the cost/benefit, the value of my time, the odds of getting ill, etc., and I wouldn't inject something into me if it were suspect, even if a well-meaning source is willing to "make it right" if things go wrong. It's not worth it to me. So, if I suspected the quality of the product, I wouldn't use it. It's money wasted. It's not the cost of the bloods- I'm always going to make sure that everything is monitored. I just value my health, and am willing to risk some, but not too much.

If a source says that only a small amount got out, and has a good idea of when it went out, then it seems to me that in a business where one's word is everything, the cost of casting a wide net and replacing any suspect juice is a small price to pay to avoid the appearance of wrongdoing. It's integrity beyond reproach that one should strive for. No, I'm not suggesting that one should be a punching bag to anyone who complains, but in the case of an issue that has been proven to exist, well, the value of one's word can be priceless, or it can be in question.

I don't feel like I have an unreasonable take on this, but as a final thought, consider this: When nothing ever goes wrong, one never has a chance to prove that their integrity trumps all. Consider this episode an opportunity to shine. Seldom remembered is the team that won by a point, but memories are made when that same team came back from 21 down to win by a point.

Just my newb on Meso, but almost a half century on earth, opinion.

 

[Moose]

I know that I'm risking the burning of a bridge that I've not even crossed yet, or may not ever want to cross, but I feel that I have to put my 2 cents in here. I already have a trusted source, albeit expensive, and certainly wouldn't mind checking out other sources in the future. Am I "brave" in stating my opinion when I may come back months from now and ask to purchase? I don't know. I'm suppose that many stay silent for just that reason. I guess that if I burn a bridge, so be it. That being said...

People are injecting substances into their body. I think that sources sometimes forget that, and look at "business", raw materials, and the like, instead of understanding that people are putting their lives in the supplier's hands. If a product isn't pure, then what is it? Certainly, the chances are that bad juices are "bad" because they've been cut too much with something that is relatively safe, but then, with no testing, when will something harmful come down the pipe?

Hear me out, because I'm not accusing anyone of not caring, only wanting things put into perspective.

The supplier buys something that has been misrepresented, the supplier's customers inject this substance into their bodies, and it is proven that that substance was not what the customers ordered. Not harmful, but not what was expected either.

If something is not as represented, it could very well be anything, because in this business, you're only as good as your word. There is no FDA ready to torch you, no lawyers to sue you. Only your word. Knowing that one is only as good as their word, in the event that something goes wrong, a man of his word must cast a wide net, in the attempt to make absolutely sure that any bad product is accounted for, even if it means that more good product goes out than what went out bad originally. After all, who is at fault? Surely not the customer.

While it seems reasonable to say, "Prove it, and I'll make it right- no, better than right", one is still left worried about what they're injecting into their bodies, not necessarily because they believe that it is harmful, but because injecting a substance into one's body entails risks, and every injection raises the odds of one encountering an issue. In addition, we are speaking of people's time, blood, and sweat here. You can't give that back.

I, for one, want to make sure that, if at all possible, I get the exact results that I expect, every time that I inject. I'm weighing out the cost/benefit, the value of my time, the odds of getting ill, etc., and I wouldn't inject something into me if it were suspect, even if a well-meaning source is willing to "make it right" if things go wrong. It's not worth it to me. So, if I suspected the quality of the product, I wouldn't use it. It's money wasted. It's not the cost of the bloods- I'm always going to make sure that everything is monitored. I just value my health, and am willing to risk some, but not too much.

If a source says that only a small amount got out, and has a good idea of when it went out, then it seems to me that in a business where one's word is everything, the cost of casting a wide net and replacing any suspect juice is a small price to pay to avoid the appearance of wrongdoing. It's integrity beyond reproach that one should strive for. No, I'm not suggesting that one should be a punching bag to anyone who complains, but in the case of an issue that has been proven to exist, well, the value of one's word can be priceless, or it can be in question.

I don't feel like I have an unreasonable take on this, but as a final thought, consider this: When nothing ever goes wrong, one never has a chance to prove that their integrity trumps all. Consider this episode an opportunity to shine. Seldom remembered is the team that won by a point, but memories are made when that same team came back from 21 down to win by a point.

Just my newb on Meso, but almost a half century on earth, opinion.

Well said.