Astro Labs US Dom and Intl SRC

[preworkout1984]

Straight up mob mentality here. Damn. Pitches and Axe forks

 

[Astro Labs]

I know that I'm risking the burning of a bridge that I've not even crossed yet, or may not ever want to cross, but I feel that I have to put my 2 cents in here. I already have a trusted source, albeit expensive, and certainly wouldn't mind checking out other sources in the future. Am I "brave" in stating my opinion when I may come back months from now and ask to purchase? I don't know. I'm suppose that many stay silent for just that reason. I guess that if I burn a bridge, so be it. That being said...

People are injecting substances into their body. I think that sources sometimes forget that, and look at "business", raw materials, and the like, instead of understanding that people are putting their lives in the supplier's hands. If a product isn't pure, then what is it? Certainly, the chances are that bad juices are "bad" because they've been cut too much with something that is relatively safe, but then, with no testing, when will something harmful come down the pipe?

Hear me out, because I'm not accusing anyone of not caring, only wanting things put into perspective.

The supplier buys something that has been misrepresented, the supplier's customers inject this substance into their bodies, and it is proven that that substance was not what the customers ordered. Not harmful, but not what was expected either.

If something is not as represented, it could very well be anything, because in this business, you're only as good as your word. There is no FDA ready to torch you, no lawyers to sue you. Only your word. Knowing that one is only as good as their word, in the event that something goes wrong, a man of his word must cast a wide net, in the attempt to make absolutely sure that any bad product is accounted for, even if it means that more good product goes out than what went out bad originally. After all, who is at fault? Surely not the customer.

While it seems reasonable to say, "Prove it, and I'll make it right- no, better than right", one is still left worried about what they're injecting into their bodies, not necessarily because they believe that it is harmful, but because injecting a substance into one's body entails risks, and every injection raises the odds of one encountering an issue. In addition, we are speaking of people's time, blood, and sweat here. You can't give that back.

I, for one, want to make sure that, if at all possible, I get the exact results that I expect, every time that I inject. I'm weighing out the cost/benefit, the value of my time, the odds of getting ill, etc., and I wouldn't inject something into me if it were suspect, even if a well-meaning source is willing to "make it right" if things go wrong. It's not worth it to me. So, if I suspected the quality of the product, I wouldn't use it. It's money wasted. It's not the cost of the bloods- I'm always going to make sure that everything is monitored. I just value my health, and am willing to risk some, but not too much.

If a source says that only a small amount got out, and has a good idea of when it went out, then it seems to me that in a business where one's word is everything, the cost of casting a wide net and replacing any suspect juice is a small price to pay to avoid the appearance of wrongdoing. It's integrity beyond reproach that one should strive for. No, I'm not suggesting that one should be a punching bag to anyone who complains, but in the case of an issue that has been proven to exist, well, the value of one's word can be priceless, or it can be in question.

I don't feel like I have an unreasonable take on this, but as a final thought, consider this: When nothing ever goes wrong, one never has a chance to prove that their integrity trumps all. Consider this episode an opportunity to shine. Seldom remembered is the team that won by a point, but memories are made when that same team came back from 21 down to win by a point.

Just my newb on Meso, but almost a half century on earth, opinion.

Your forgetting that this is illegal and 100% pure raw doesnt mean clean, bacteria free. I use a laminar flow hood along with a steril techniche thats always followed. Any lab you buy from your taking a risk with what you put in your body. I eliminate that risk as much as possible through experience and general knowledge.

Now underdosed raw doesn't mean contaminated raw. It doesnt mean its unsafe. And it's not suspect because its underdosed that's not the best way to put it IMO. Now in all honesty when you buy from "ANY UGL" your risking your health injecting, I don't care who it is because your not front row when the Raw is being converted, so you really never know. I think you may have went a tad overboard with the "if it's not pure what is it" Now that doesn't mean I'm saying ignore the question but then you are going to have a long night because there's not a source around with 100% Raw all around the board and your questions are valid but to single me out when every source that supplies gear has the same issue.

Now as far as knowing how much went out doesn't mean I know the time frame because I closed down for a couple months for the most only part taking a few orders occasionally. I could find out the time frame though that's not an issue.

Now I would like to address the issue concerning the quality. Here's the deal and I'm not saying anyone's lying but I cant rule it out completely (I'm still having the replacements sent and this was said 3 days ago without even questioning legitimacy of the blood work). So if someone else from the time he purchased also ran blood work to confirm this would give more validity. I have competition as a source I have and have had sources try to scam, lie in order to disrupt sales. I told Nitrust as soon as he told me that I would relace the vials so that was handled just so you guys know. But since everyone is making this such a big deal I'm going to further investigate and see if I cant find someone to run a Mass Spec as well as have a few guys get blood work.

I'm not saying Nitust is lying or scamming but It's a little ridiculous that only one test is enough to convince everyone to the point my character becomes questioned. I'm going to look for another tester as well as request HPLC for any raw purchased from my new supplier. If a bad batch pops up I'm going to make sure I HAVE 3-4 guys also run bloods to confirm with certainty its the Batch.

 

[SeaVee]

I assume since you now take Bitcoin we have the option to get a full refund, bloods included, instead of receiving untested gear?

I haven't started my cycle but wanted to find out just in case. This is how Bitcoin benefits both source and customer.

 

[Kody]

I've read as much of the last 5 recent pages drama that my eye can handle from my iPhone. What I'm getting is that his personal "Astro" line is yielding shitting results? Is this someone who has purchased within the last 3 weeks or? He is stating he is good to go now and that he is now using a different supplier. Can anyone summarize this, I'm not about to buy and get fake shit.

 

[preworkout1984]

I assume since you now take Bitcoin we have the option to get a full refund, bloods included, instead of receiving untested gear?

I haven't started my cycle but wanted to find out just in case. This is how Bitcoin benefits both source and customer.

I feel like this is a slippery slope. . I mean this isn't Target or Jcpenny where we have receipts! Lol what would protocol be for this.

 

[Moose]

I've read as much of the last 5 recent pages drama that my eye can handle from my iPhone. What I'm getting is that his personal "Astro" line is yielding shitting results? Is this someone who has purchased within the last 3 weeks or? He is stating he is good to go now and that he is now using a different supplier. Can anyone summarize this, I'm not about to buy and get fake shit.

I'm curious as to how he knows his new supplier is good. Has it been tested?

 

[preworkout1984]

I've read as much of the last 5 recent pages drama that my eye can handle from my iPhone. What I'm getting is that his personal "Astro" line is yielding shitting results? Is this someone who has purchased within the last 3 weeks or? He is stating he is good to go now and that he is now using a different supplier. Can anyone summarize this, I'm not about to buy and get fake shit.

Not the "Astro line" just the test if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Kody]

Not the "Astro line" just the test if I'm not mistaken.

Well I planned on getting test e from his, and stacking with anadrol from him. So is the test e not good to go?

 

[jymis]

'm not saying Nitust is lying or scamming but It's a little ridiculous that only one test is enough to convince everyone to the point my character becomes questioned.

I don't think everyone is questioning your character you have managed to stay afloat for over a year now and that says something. You have handled yourself well in all situtations in the past. I think the fact that we are seeing bad bloods across the board has gotten every one up in arms. Seems like TE/TC just isn't good right now.

 

[Kody]

I'm curious as to how he knows his new supplier is good. Has it been tested?

I'm to the point where I am about to do serious resource and start cooking my damn self. We are the customer, we have money. THEY CAN MAKE MONEY OFF ME/US. Yet they do not want to produce a good product to make people want to come back!

If I was a dealer and had fire ass weed everyone would come to me! If I had shitty no good weed and skimped every other sell then they would not come back.

I'm left clueless as to what they are giving and expecting back..

 

[Astro Labs]

I'm curious as to how he knows his new supplier is good. Has it been tested?

I did test 2 compounds while I gad the chance. Alot of raw was bot from him vut from daydaypharma who's primo tested 78 % so I'm still baffled about the test e and I used because bloods on the first kilo were great. I still have
The raw looks like its garbadge

The last batch that was replaced was Bruce groups so its not like back to back bad batches.

 

[Fragge]

Your forgetting that this is illegal and 100% pure raw doesnt mean clean, bacteria free. I use a laminar flow hood along with a steril techniche thats always followed. Any lab you buy from your taking a risk with what you put in your body. I eliminate that risk as much as possible through experience and general knowledge.

Now underdosed raw doesn't mean contaminated raw. It doesnt mean its unsafe. And it's not suspect because its underdosed that's not the best way to put it IMO. Now in all honesty when you buy from "ANY UGL" your risking your health injecting, I don't care who it is because your not front row when the Raw is being converted, so you really never know. I think you may have went a tad overboard with the "if it's not pure what is it" Now that doesn't mean I'm saying ignore the question but then you are going to have a long night because there's not a source around with 100% Raw all around the board and your questions are valid but to single me out when every source that supplies gear has the same issue.

Now as far as knowing how much went out doesn't mean I know the time frame because I closed down for a couple months for the most only part taking a few orders occasionally. I could find out the time frame though that's not an issue.

I certainly wasn't implying that your juice is unsafe, and if that is the impression that I left, then hopefully this will suffice as clarification. I also was very careful to avoid the impression that I was singling you out personally, although it is understandable that if the response is in your thread you could reasonably take it personally. Arguably, nobody in this market can be 100 percent confident of the purity of the product. While I was speaking in your thread, I attempted to confine myself more to generalities instead of taking an accusatory tone.

It's nice to know what your process is, regardless.

My main point was that, in my opinion, when dealing with a product where there is no oversight other than the word of the producers and consumers, a man's reputation is of the greatest importance. If trust is lost, then people can suspect just about anything. I wasn't accusing you of providing an unsafe product, there's certainly no evidence of that, but instead, using the analogy of an unsafe product to get a point across.

My impression was that if so little went out, you could easily nip this in the bud, and end the drama quite quickly. Granted, I have no idea what your financial situation is, so that may not be an option for you.

I'm not telling you how to run your business. That is not my place, and I'm not an egotist who wishes to make it such. If I were your customer, I would have a vested interest, but as is the case, my intent was to offer some food for thought. You could either have a eureka moment, where my words would make total sense, or you could say "what wordy rubbish this man dishes out".

 

[Y2JVD]

MS is also having issues with test e I think it's the raws that are causing the issues.

 

[Astro Labs]

 

[ruckin]

MS is also having issues with test e I think it's the raws that are causing the issues.

you don't say? Lol

Edit: whoa ^^^

 

[TroyDiesel25]

I'm to the point where I am about to do serious resource and start cooking my damn self. We are the customer, we have money. THEY CAN MAKE MONEY OFF ME/US. Yet they do not want to produce a good product to make people want to come back!

If I was a dealer and had fire ass weed everyone would come to me! If I had shitty no good weed and skimped every other sell then they would not come back.

I'm left clueless as to what they are giving and expecting back..

This is Business 101 brah. Any large company, regardless if it's selling f*cking cookies or AAS, will find ways to cut costs as the volume of sales increase. Gotta maintain the margins!

 

[Superjet68]

That's a hell of a crock pot!!! Whats for dinner? LOL

 

[Kody]

This is Business 101 brah. Any large company, regardless if it's selling f*cking cookies or AAS, will find ways to cut costs as the volume of sales increase. Gotta maintain the margins!

I am exhilarated about a first great cycle, but it's becoming increasingly harder to find. With such a big market, and readily available buyers, I don't know why they aren't capatalizng on us, and giving us great product, for a decent cost. It's only right

 

[Kody]

Your forgetting that this is illegal and 100% pure raw doesnt mean clean, bacteria free. I use a laminar flow hood along with a steril techniche thats always followed. Any lab you buy from your taking a risk with what you put in your body. I eliminate that risk as much as possible through experience and general knowledge.

Now underdosed raw doesn't mean contaminated raw. It doesnt mean its unsafe. And it's not suspect because its underdosed that's not the best way to put it IMO. Now in all honesty when you buy from "ANY UGL" your risking your health injecting, I don't care who it is because your not front row when the Raw is being converted, so you really never know. I think you may have went a tad overboard with the "if it's not pure what is it" Now that doesn't mean I'm saying ignore the question but then you are going to have a long night because there's not a source around with 100% Raw all around the board and your questions are valid but to single me out when every source that supplies gear has the same issue.

Now as far as knowing how much went out doesn't mean I know the time frame because I closed down for a couple months for the most only part taking a few orders occasionally. I could find out the time frame though that's not an issue.

Now I would like to address the issue concerning the quality. Here's the deal and I'm not saying anyone's lying but I cant rule it out completely (I'm still having the replacements sent and this was said 3 days ago without even questioning legitimacy of the blood work). So if someone else from the time he purchased also ran blood work to confirm this would give more validity. I have competition as a source I have and have had sources try to scam, lie in order to disrupt sales. I told Nitrust as soon as he told me that I would relace the vials so that was handled just so you guys know. But since everyone is making this such a big deal I'm going to further investigate and see if I cant find someone to run a Mass Spec as well as have a few guys get blood work.

I'm not saying Nitust is lying or scamming but It's a little ridiculous that only one test is enough to convince everyone to the point my character becomes questioned. I'm going to look for another tester as well as request HPLC for any raw purchased from my new supplier. If a bad batch pops up I'm going to make sure I HAVE 3-4 guys also run bloods to confirm with certainty its the Batch.

you might be flooded with alerts/pm due to this right now, but I have pmed you, please check your inbox. Thanks man

 

[Moose]

I did test 2 compounds while I gad the chance. Alot of raw was bot from him vut from daydaypharma who's primo tested 78 % so I'm still baffled about the test e and I used because bloods on the first kilo were great. I still have
The raw looks like its garbadge

The last batch that was replaced was Bruce groups so its not like back to back bad batches.

Thank you. This is the least defensive, incredulous response you've had all day. I appreciate that.