[HPLC/MS] AP Test E + NPP

[jackmeoff1]

It's not difficult to understand at all. You're dealing with one of several impostor accounts belonging to someone whose agenda is to discredit the 10X rule in order to excuse his underdosed Test C.

This will all become clear shortly.

the 10x "rule" never was credited in the first place. It was an observation that people misinterpreted. If you can prove it with a scientific basis, please do. Nobody has in this thread, even Scally himself who was called into question.

I have complied with every one of Dr. Jim's request and he can not deliver on his promise to contribute in a productive way.

 

[Dr JIM]

Are you really that fucking dumb? I posted 2 pics of the vial in this thread.

Yep you did post TWO almost identical PICs douche bag and neither one listed the TT ester OR the DATE of distribution.

Now your obviously stupid if you think I'm going to fall for your BULLSHIT so how about you post a PICTURE OF THE ENTIRE LABEL, LIAR!

Then I WILL post the articles you have no interest in locating bc of your AGENDA for some UGL!

 

[jackmeoff1]

Yep you did post TWO almost identical PICs douche bag and neither one listed the TT ester OR the DATE of distribution.

Now your obviously stupid if you think I'm going to fall for your BULLSHIT but how about you post a PICTURE OF THE ENTIRE LABEL, LIAR!

Post #198. I posted a pic of the entire scrip (I scratched off my name).

You are really going to ignore that post and continue to call me a liar? That is what you are going with?

 

[jackmeoff1]

Yep you did post TWO almost identical PICs douche bag and neither one listed the TT ester OR the DATE of distribution.

Now your obviously stupid if you think I'm going to fall for your BULLSHIT so how about you post a PICTURE OF THE ENTIRE LABEL, LIAR!

Then I WILL post the articles you have no interest in locating bc of your AGENDA for some UGL!

I took pics if every side of the vial. Why don't you tell me exactly what you want to see that I am not showing.

 

[jackmeoff1]

If you don't beleive that is my TRT script, honestly I don't know what to tell you. that is every angle of both the vial and the scipt itself.

Your absence to deliver on your promise of data or any excuse you can come up with at this point proves you have nothing.

that is ok, I won't hold you to it. We all make mistakes.

 

[jackmeoff1]

This is what happens... Jim will let 4 pages transpire so he can ignore my pics and insist I am a lair.

watch. No Jim for awhile.

 

[Dr JIM]

Now what part of, "post a PICTURE of the label that includes THE DATE OF DISTRIBUTION (or SALE)" do you NOT UNDERSTAND!

Posting a PIC with
the EXPIRATION DATE listed is NOT the same thing as the DISTRIBUTION or SALE DATE.

What part of the latter do you not understand Jack Off!

 

[jackmeoff1]

Now what part of, "post a PICTURE of the label that includes THE DATE OF DISTRIBUTION (or SALE)" do you NOT UNDERSTAND!

Posting a PIC with
the EXPIRATION DATE listed is NOT the same thing as the DISTRIBUTION or SALE DATE.

What part of the latter do you not understand Jack Off!

I am on 5 mail order prescriptions (I have asthma) and none of them have that information.

I can post the ups email I received if you wish? That has the shipping date attached.

Honestly, will it matter? You know you will keep deflecting anything because I am holding you to an expectation that you can't deliver on.

 

[Dr JIM]

BULLSHIT any and every SCHEDULED SUBSTANCE (especially schedule III and II) MUST HAVE the date of purchase listed !

Yea right the pharmacy listed the EXPIRATION DATE, but NOT the DOP, lol!

TRY AGAIN or go JYSO!

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

BULLSHIT any and every SCHEDULED SUBSTANCE (especially schedule III and II) MUST HAVE the date of purchase listed !

SECTION X – DISPENSING REQUIREMENTS

http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/pubs/manuals/pharm2/pharm_content.htm

Required Information for Prescription Labels

The pharmacist dispensing a prescription for a controlled substance listed in schedules II, III, IV, or V must affix to the package a label showing date of filling, the pharmacy name and address, the serial (prescription) number, the name of the patient, the name of the prescribing practitioner, and directions for use and cautionary statements, if any, contained in such prescription or required by law. If a prescription is filled at a central fill pharmacy, the central fill pharmacy must affix to the package a label showing the retail pharmacy name and address and a unique identifier (i.e., the central fill pharmacy's DEA registration number) indicating that the prescription was filled at the central fill pharmacy.

Federal Food and Drug Administration regulations require that the label of any drug listed as a "controlled substance" in schedules II, III, or IV of the CSA must, when dispensed to or for a patient, contain the following warning: CAUTION: Federal law prohibits the transfer of this drug to any person other than the patient for whom it was prescribed. In addition, a pharmacist who receives a prescription for a controlled substance must dispense that prescription to the patient or a member of the patient’s household. To provide the controlled substance to anyone other than the patient or a member of the patient’s household is distribution, not dispensing.

 

[jackmeoff1]

BULLSHIT any and every SCHEDULED SUBSTANCE (especially schedule III and II) MUST HAVE the date of purchase listed !

Yea right the pharmacy listed the EXPIRATION DATE, but NOT the DOP, lol!

TRY AGAIN or go JYSO!

You are right! For some reason I scratched that out and I never noticed that. But no worries, I have my brand new script attached. That is the one on the right. The date is on there 01/05/2015.

Now your turn? .....or will it be yet another excuse? I am convinced you DON'T have data to back your assertions, but I'll give you another chance.

 

[Dr JIM]

The "joke" is your suggestion what your running is "TRT"!

Bc while many mates whom cycle TT at doses exceeding 500mg/ week may benefit from an AI, those whom are actually "replacing physiologic TT levels" rarely if ever NEED an AI and to suggest otherwise, is just more mis-information being propagated by someone like yourself whom doesn't know Shit from Shinola.

More importantly your missing the point, AGAIN, there simply is NO BENCHMARK that can be used to determine what effect an AI or HCG would have on TT levels. The net effect, there is NO WAY to reliably determine what a patients TT levels should be when these substances are run simultaneously!

But that's just one of several APPLES to ORANGES comparisons you have made in this thread, as a covert attempt to support the unsubstantiated dogma you spew!

And to be perfectly honest I'm surprised at how many Meso members have swallowed your BS hook, line and sinker, in the absence of ANY evidence based literature!

Oh and finally rest assured JIM is going nowhere, unlike yourself whom will soon be seeking the nearest exit, GUARANTEED!!

 

[Dr JIM]

You are right! For some reason I scratched that out and I never noticed that. But no worries, I have my brand new script attached. That is the one on the right. The date is on there 01/05/2015.

Now your turn? .....or will it be yet another excuse? I am convinced you DON'T have data to back your assertions, but I'll give you another chance.

Oh I'm right! Rest assured you will be saying that A LOT before this thread comes to fruition, but first explain the discrepancy between this script being filled in 2015, yet your bloods were obtained on 12-10-2012 some TWO YEARS EARLIER, OOPS, LMFAO, LIAR!

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Now your turn? .....or will it be yet another excuse? I am convinced you DON'T have data to back your assertions, but I'll give you another chance.

You've been given that citation twice now. Once by lightspan in another thread (Spetz's, no less), and once by me in this one. You ignored it both times.

How about a third time? https://thinksteroids.com/community...es-raws-and-gh.134357485/page-83#post-1119751

 

[jackmeoff1]

Oh I'm right! Rest assured you will be saying that A LOT before this thread comes to fruition, but first explain the discrepancy between this script being filled in 2015, yet your bloods were obtained on 12-10-2012 some TWO YEARS EARLIER, OOPS, LMFAO, LIAR!

I have been on TRT for 3 yrs. If you read the post where I posted my bloods you will see I said "this is 12 weeks on TRT". In other replies I said how long I have been on TRT.

I have had 8 blood draws so far. Would you like to see all of them? I would post but at this point you aren't worth my time. I might even have vials from 2012 if you want to see them! I save my vials for travel.

 

[I_know_nothing]

You've been given that citation twice now. Once by lightspan in another thread (Spetz's, no less), and once by me in this one. You ignored it both times.

How about a third time? https://thinksteroids.com/community...es-raws-and-gh.134357485/page-83#post-1119751

i've addressed the chapter in the book that lightspan post- you ignored my post. you've also ignored by Bhasin et al 2012 post this entire time. any time i post any studies or say anything scientific you ignore it. let's not be hypocritical here CBS.

 

[jackmeoff1]

More importantly your missing the point, AGAIN, there simply is NO BENCHMARK that can be used to determine what effect an AI or HCG would have on TT levels. The net effect, there is NO WAY to reliably determine what a patients TT levels should be when these substances are run simultaneously!
!!

than you agree that this so called 10x rule is not applicable to anyone using an AI and/or HCG? Because ALL of the blood work posted on these boards that you and others are applying this rule to, are using an AI.

Just answer the question.

 

[I_know_nothing]

@jackmeoff1 don't get any more emotional than you have to. you've done all you can do. i just hope that members that read have seen through @Dr JIM inability to post that "clinical study" as @Moose has already mentioned, if there was a study jim would've posted it a long time ago.

i would suggest you stop engaging them JMO until the are ready to actually engage you in meaningful conversation. in the meantime i would love to talk abou this with you. does Vergel have any input on this? maybe you could ask on the facebook group?

 

[jackmeoff1]

To summarize Dr. Jim's behavior in this thread:

- He comes in here YELLING about this dose x 10 rule, insisting it is fact.

- When first asked for data to show evidence of that claim he gives the "I don't have time for that, use google, routine"

- Next he accused me of not being on TRT and not having the blood work I said I did (that conflicted with "the rule". Basically calling me a liar.

- I post the blood work, he ignores it and accused me of not being on TRT.

- He then indicates that if I show him pictures of my script he will post this so called "evidence".

- I take literally 20 pictures of my TRT script. each picture he comes up with another excuse to disregard it as not being TRT.

- Then he accuses me of not being on TRT because (get this) I take an AI and NO doctor prescribes an AI with TRT.

- Then at the end of it all he indicates the 10x rule is actually invalid for anyone taking an AI.

- He has yet to post evidence to support his original assertion.

Believe what you want to believe here folks. I think it is fairly obvious the Dr Jim is not well grounded in science. I would be cautious listening to this member.

 

[I_know_nothing]

To summarize Dr. Jim's behavior in this thread:

- He comes in here YELLING about this dose x 10 rule, insisting it is fact.

- When first asked for data to show evidence of that claim he gives the "I don't have time for that, use google, routine"

- Next he accusing me of not being on TRT and not having the blood work I said I did (that conflicted with "the rule". Basically calling me a liar.

- I post the blood work, he ignores it and accusing me of not being on TRT.

- He then indicates that if I show him pictures of my script he will post this so called "evidence".

- I take literally 20 pictures of my TRT script. each picture he comes up with another excuse to disregard it as not being TRT.

- Then he accuses me of not being on TRT because (get this) I take an AI and NO doctor prescribes an AI with TRT.

- Then at the end of it all he indicates the 10x rule is actually invalid for anyone taking an AI.

- He has yet to post evidence to support his original assertion.

Believe what you want to believe here folks. I think it is fairly obvious the Dr Jim is not well grounded in science. I would be cautious listening to this member.

lolz thanks for the summary brah. like i said, anyone who has taken the time to read thus far and is open minded will see through. anyone who doesnt is just gonna be on jim's side anyway. it's very similar to religion, you can't change what they adamantly believe in.

now talk to me buddy