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brothers I'm in a bit of a situation here..

ive had to fly to jakarta for 4 days for "business" - anyway, i made sure i had all my medication sorted.. had to get an official letter about my subutex, as well as the valium and mirtazapine.. there was a huge fuck around with the flights yesterday, and our baggage has gone missing. today at about 4:30 i have a meeting which i need to be on my fuckin A game or shit will turn extremely sour. i can't rock up sweating bullets and shaking like a fucki leaf, this is really serious. I'm already starting to go through withdrawals..

i have no idea what to do. i know as time goes on I'm going to start feeling worse and worse.. the only thing I can think of is that they legally sell tramadol xanax and valium here, even though that won't do fuck all it might ease the pain.. anyone got any suggestions ? this is a hilariously fucked up situation.
 
brutus79 said:
One night a year getting drunk or high? Must be cool to not be an addict I guess.

I started smoking crack when I was fourteen, in rehab at 16. Relapsed... went through ought the bender with a few years on coke... because Crack was the problem. A few years on club drugs, drinking, then a few years on Benzos and opiates. Then heroin. My personal favorite? Pcp... smoke it till you don't know your own name and shoot a bundle with half a bar in it and blow a couple lines before you nod out. Puke, then enjoy not knowing who or where you are.

I tried everything to get clean without total abstinence. Church, shrinks, psychological treatments, begged for electroshock therapy. Anything but AA or NA. not for me. Finally dragged myself out of a crackhouse after a 200k bender that lasted 10 months and I had lost my house, car, family, relationship, everything. I stayed sober for 18 months. I decided I could have a few beers. I had a needle in my arm three days later. Lost everything I toiled for over the last year and a half- job, relationship, all my possessions and sold my new care for five ounces of crack. I ended up staying out for four horrible fucking years... details not necessary.

I have a child that means the world to me and I hated her when I was using, but I didn't want to do to her what my drug addict parents did to me. I got sober when she was four months old- it was the hardest thing I ever did. Had a seizure day three- shit my pants and almost bit my tongue off. Meetings every day. Sponsor. Steps. Forced a better way of life.

My life is fucking amazing. I found the iron 2 1/2 years ago, I have real friends and a great career. My child is my everything. I got 50/50 custody and I do everything with her I never got to do. We are best friends- she is my angel, my princess. I would do anything to protect her and this life I have- me and my 270 lbs (and concealed carry permit) fucking dare anyone to test that.

Get fucked up once a year? I would rather cut my dick off, fill the hole with gasoline and light it on fire.
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Inspir-fucking-rational. Bravo.
 
ChuckSipes said:
brothers I'm in a bit of a situation here..

ive had to fly to jakarta for 4 days for "business" - anyway, i made sure i had all my medication sorted.. had to get an official letter about my subutex, as well as the valium and mirtazapine.. there was a huge fuck around with the flights yesterday, and our baggage has gone missing. today at about 4:30 i have a meeting which i need to be on my fuckin A game or shit will turn extremely sour. i can't rock up sweating bullets and shaking like a fucki leaf, this is really serious. I'm already starting to go through withdrawals..

i have no idea what to do. i know as time goes on I'm going to start feeling worse and worse.. the only thing I can think of is that they legally sell tramadol xanax and valium here, even though that won't do fuck all it might ease the pain.. anyone got any suggestions ? this is a hilariously fucked up situation.
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Fuck man.. I dont really want to give any suggestions here but I'm sure you know what you need to do. This is a prime example of how drug replacement therapy isnt an alternative to sobriety.
 
MANWHORE said:
I think trying to justify using anything is just the addict thinking ...
I say go full clean and keep your gear and peptide/HGH etc whatever BBer products you use ..
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did you read my post above??

defonitely don't want to use, but in this current situation despererate times etc
 
Whoremoans said:
Inspir-fucking-rational. Bravo.
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MindlessWork said:
Ouch brutus, that was one hell of a comeback you made, and nice that your little one is your rock in a storm. Keep clean and keep slinging the iron!
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flexx89 said:
damn @brutus79..glad to hear u beat all that man thats a hell of a story...mad respect
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MANWHORE said:
Well Brutus you got me beat ..
Damn good to see your clean after all that and happy
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Took me 22 years in and out if 12 step programs to put 3 together. I know I didn't do it... me being sober and my child is concrete proof of god... if you knew me you would figure It wasn't me talking about shit like god. I spent enough time in hell to believe in heaven.
 
ChuckSipes said:
did you read my post above??

defonitely don't want to use, but in this current situation despererate times etc
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I believe Tramadol is a weak synthetic opiate if I remember right. If you dont abuse them you can get some to help not go through wd. Becareful mixining benzos with them, not sure if they react the same as traditional opiates and benzos. Expect to go through some wds man. Half life of subutex is long. Let me do some more digging.
 
Ozzy619 said:
I believe Tramadol is a weak synthetic opiate if I remember right. If you dont abuse them you can get some to help not go through wd. Becareful mixining benzos with them, not sure if they react the same as traditional opiates and benzos. Expect to go through some wds man. Half life of subutex is long. Let me do some more digging.
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thanks man

as far as I'm aware tramadol is the only other opioid that will work while on bupe i might be wrong though. appreciate it ozzy
 
@ChuckSipes, I dont know how Austrailia works but in the US if you lose meds and can prove your Rx some pharmacies will get you a small supply for 24 - 72 hours.
If not maybe an ER can help by doing the same thing.
Or if you have a number to your doc he could help out somehow.
Just a few ideas...
 
jaymaximus said:
@ChuckSipes, I dont know how Austrailia works but in the US if you lose meds and can prove your Rx some pharmacies will get you a small supply for 24 - 72 hours.
If not maybe an ER can help by doing the same thing.
Or if you have a number to your doc he could help out somehow.
Just a few ideas...
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thanks bro just hit up my doc were trying to sort something out
 
ChuckSipes said:
thanks man

as far as I'm aware tramadol is the only other opioid that will work while on bupe i might be wrong though. appreciate it ozzy
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You can use any opiate while on subs, it just wont be effective as subs have a higher binding affinity for the opioid receptor. If you use a sub while high on an opiate it can cause instant wd, you need to start wd from opiate of choice before starting subs. As far as tramadol, it will ease the wd from subs. Cold turkey at 4mgs you can expect bad wd for at least 10 days, more like 2 weeks. However the good part is that you can use tramadol to taper of subs completely if you do it right. Subutex has a half life of 24 to 60 hrs, tramadol is 9 hrs. You would adjust the tramadol according to the half life of the subs. Every 2 or so days you would lower the tramadol dose to match the half life of the subs. Hypothetically if you taper right you could go scott free from any wd symptoms. You need to find out how many mgs of tramadol equals 1mg of subs.

Heres a website that helped me, these guys are experts and have a doc is an expert on the topic.

Suboxforum.com
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Ozzy619 said:
You can use any opiate while on subs, it just wont be effective as subs have a higher binding affinity for the opioid receptor. If you use a sub while high on an opiate it can cause instant wd, you need to start wd from opiate of choice before starting subs. As far as tramadol, it will ease the wd from subs. Cold turkey at 4mgs you can expect bad wd for at least 10 days, more like 2 weeks. However the good part is that you can use tramadol to taper of subs completely if you do it right. Subutex has a half life of 24 to 60 hrs, tramadol is 9 hrs. You would adjust the tramadol according to the half life of the subs. Every 2 or so days you would lower the tramadol dose to match the half life of the subs. Hypothetically if you taper right you could go scott free from any wd symptoms. You need to find out how many mgs of tramadol equals 1mg of subs.

Heres a website that helped me, these guys are experts and have a doc is an expert on the topic.
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thanks heaps man really means a lot!
 
I started snorting Oxycodone at 14 and it was downhill since then, I spent more time high than sober from roughly that point until my mid 20's. With that said the only drug that truly ruined my life was speed, I was an addict for 3-4 year at which point I was using 400-500mg of Adderall on some days. Things got pretty dark and for a while I wasn't sure I would ever make it out.

Although things have been going fairly well for about the last year and a half I've been getting shitfaced almost every night for the past few months now. As of recently I've been averaging a liter of vodka every few days, sometimes even less. I'm even drunk right now. Not sure what spawned this but in any event I know things will come together, if I can kick speed I sure as fuck can handle a little speed bump I've encountered with booze.
 
Mike Oxbig said:
I started snorting Oxycodone at 14 and it was downhill since then, I spent more time high than sober from roughly that point until my mid 20's. With that said the only drug that truly ruined my life was speed, I was an addict for 3-4 year at which point I was using 400-500mg of Adderall on some days. Things got pretty dark and for a while I wasn't sure I would ever make it out.

Although things have been going fairly well for about the last year and a half I've been getting shitfaced almost every night for the past few months now. As of recently I've been averaging a liter of vodka every few days, sometimes even less. I'm even drunk right now. Not sure what spawned this but in any event I know things will come together, if I can kick speed I sure as fuck can handle a little speed bump I've encountered with booze.
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Damn Mike,

You gotta kick the alcohol man. I know I dont know you, but Ive seen your name on here and people talking about you (all good). I know youre well respected around here.
As someone who's had alcohol problems, youve got to leave it alone. You kicked the drugs, but youve gotta get off the booze too. God bless brother.
 
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