herniated discs and tb500

[johnnybravel22]

UPDATE: My job fucked me over and pushed our insurance open enrollment back an entire month, so I have to wait until Mid-july to get my surgery done. Bastards! Pain management and all until then.

Damn bro sorry to hear that..still on though right? U just have to wait


As for me im one month in to using ipamorelin and its helped my shoulders knees n wrists COMPLETELY no more pain during or after workouts

But my neck n back have not responded yet

 

[Dema]

Well I've been trying out bpc-157 for about a week now and I can't really say it's been help a lot! My Patella ripped off the bone and been have horrible pain when I put any pressure on my knee, like squating or stairs. Well only thing I've noticed is when I'm icing I'm not feeling the ice much anymore so I'm think this stuff just numbs the area, my injury is going to take awhile to heal and days I missed injections the next day my knee hurts more and on days after I do take injection it's not as painful! Idk im going to finish out what I have and I will report back!

 

[Colt44]

I've recently had back surgery. So did anyone find any relief using any peps or gh?

 

[johnnybravel22]

Well I've been trying out bpc-157 for about a week now and I can't really say it's been help a lot! My Patella ripped off the bone and been have horrible pain when I put any pressure on my knee, like squating or stairs. Well only thing I've noticed is when I'm icing I'm not feeling the ice much anymore so I'm think this stuff just numbs the area, my injury is going to take awhile to heal and days I missed injections the next day my knee hurts more and on days after I do take injection it's not as painful! Idk im going to finish out what I have and I will report back!

Damn bro

So its local relief at least?

 

[johnnybravel22]

I've recently had back surgery. So did anyone find any relief using any peps or gh?

Not really

Im four almost five weeks in on ipamorelin and i have success with the joint pain aspect as well as fat loss and recovery

But my neck and back where my discs are herniated still do act up once in a while

 

[johnnybravel22]

Ok so now im maybe 2 months in with ipamo at 200mcgs 3 times a day

Joints are pain free
Ive lost 20 lbs n 2 pant sizes
My strenght and endurance are way up
My muscles are fuller

BUT THE BEST PART i hurt my back yesterday....couldnt even walk....and this morning ALL BETTER

AS IF THE PEPS HAVE REDUCED THE EFFECTS OF MY HERNIATED DISCS

 

[ChrisBchicken]

Ok so now im maybe 2 months in with ipamo at 200mcgs 3 times a day

Joints are pain free
Ive lost 20 lbs n 2 pant sizes
My strenght and endurance are way up
My muscles are fuller

BUT THE BEST PART i hurt my back yesterday....couldnt even walk....and this morning ALL BETTER

AS IF THE PEPS HAVE REDUCED THE EFFECTS OF MY HERNIATED DISCS

Interesting, I may have to look into this it I'm not too familiar with peptides. What dosage? And do you inject it through the skin or into a muscle?

 

[johnnybravel22]

Interesting, I may have to look into this it I'm not too familiar with peptides. What dosage? And do you inject it through the skin or into a muscle?

200mcgs at least twice a day IM

I usually dont use any sundays but Monday through Saturday i take 200mcgs 1 hr after breakfast and again 1 hr after lunch usually. Final dose right before bed

Its ipamorelin. I tried it with mod grf129 for a while but ive been soing only ipamorelin for about a month

 

[SmallsMalone]

Update on me:

Backstory: 6 herniated discs, stenosis, fractures, even fractured portions of the spinal cord casing (thank god not the cord itself) from a car accident.

I'm doing 6 surgical procedures - all non-invasive, all wide awake. I walk into the OR and walk right the fuck back out. It's NOT pain free, but it's a million times better than a fusion. I've had two done already. My experience:

They put you out to cut you and get the endoscope/instrumentation in you. Then they wake you up, and you can see the inside of your spine on a TV on the floor. The surgeon pushes and prods on different parts of you and asks if that made your pain or numbness worse anywhere. When you say yes, he cuts a tiny bit of something (bone, disc, whatever) away, and asks if the pain/numbness is totally gone. If you say yes, he pushes in that same place, asks if it came back, if you say yes, then he knows he got it. This goes on until You can fully rotate your head in all directions, and both arms without any pain or tingling/numbness. Then they put you back out and close you up. They wake you back up - you roll onto a chair, sit for a while, then walk out of the OR to the recovery room. (with my surgeon - who invented the tools and protocol) one of your family members gets to be in the OR with you. The next day you go back and they remove a drain (they put in during closing to help ease inflammation without drugs) and do a full exam to see how it went. If everything is pretty good, you get one last epidural shot to help with the incision pain, and you go home - pain free.

After my second, it was pretty obvious where most of my pain was coming from (the next level) in my neck. They are clearing that up on Monday, before moving to the lumbar.

Once all of this is done, I plan on using Pharma GH (cuz they can prescribe it in FL if you have the cash. But only for the first 30 days), BPC157 for the incision sites, Ipa and GHRH for the next 4 months just to try and strengthen up the areas in my back/neck that are being weakened. One doc told me 4 weeks then I could lift, another said 8. I'm going to ask the main surgeon what he thinks and go with that. Going on a high protein low carb diet during healing when I can't lift but can do cardio. I will continue to keep you updated.

oh if you want the name of the surgeon, PM me. People fly from ALL over the US and outside the US to have him work on their spine. He has wall after wall of athletes (football, baseball, olympics, etc) who he worked on and they thanked him. And he's affordable if you have some form of insurance.

 

[B-Irons]

Back injuries suck. I have a cracked L4 and 2 herniated disks from getting shellacked in the Ghan. I guess I would say GH would be your best bet for rejuvenation. Age?

Good luck

 

[SmallsMalone]

Back injuries suck. I have a cracked L4 and 2 herniated disks from getting shellacked in the Ghan. I guess I would say GH would be your best bet for rejuvenation. Age?

Good luck

Oh man, sorry to hear about your back brother. Thank you for your service and sacrifice - it means a lot to a guy like me.

I don't know if you were asking me or not, but my age is 35.

 

[Dr JIM]

I have 3 herniated discs in my lumbar n 2 in my neck from a roll over accident i was in 10 years ago

I couldnt train legs for a year after n despite being able to train hard n heavy w proper warm up etc i still have issues from time to time

My back will shift or my neck once in a whike and i have to take a week or so off

I was told surgery would cure my issues but im not the kinda guy who lets anyone pull a knife on me....no matter how many years he went to school

Ive been hearing tb500 is killer n can help

Any thoughts?

What type of work do you do?
Could it be contributing to the problem?

Unfrotunately there is no drug that will remedy your problem fella.
When was your last MRI and what was revealed?

 

[Dr JIM]

Ok so now im maybe 2 months in with ipamo at 200mcgs 3 times a day

Joints are pain free
Ive lost 20 lbs n 2 pant sizes
My strenght and endurance are way up
My muscles are fuller

BUT THE BEST PART i hurt my back yesterday....couldnt even walk....and this morning ALL BETTER

AS IF THE PEPS HAVE REDUCED THE EFFECTS OF MY HERNIATED DISCS

Bc the overwhelming majority of MS injuries are self limiting or "heal themselves" I hope your not suggesting some cause and effect relationship exists bt the use of PEP's and the resolution of your signs and symptoms.

I mean heck do you even KNOW if those proclaimed "peptide" vials contained anything more than a very effective placebo?

 

[jp4355]

I took tb500 for back pain for little over two months and didn't feel no different! Stuff is cheap to make so I dunno why it would be bunk but all it did was make me crazy hungry and nauseous after each shot! Don't think I will be trying it again

Hey Bro, don't think that was TB-500 that you were doing.
Sounds like GHRP-6 with the Crazy Hunger.

I've done lots of TB and never ever got the Bad Munchies.
Even during my Loading Phase when I was doing 6 Mg a week................. JP

 

[jp4355]

What type of work do you do?
Could it be contributing to the problem?

Unfrotunately there is no drug that will remedy your problem fella.
When was your last MRI and what was revealed?

I have to Agree with Dr Jim.
Go to the Doc and get an MRI to see what's going on and if anything has Changed.

I had a Laminectomy in 77', but things have come Light Years since then.
This is if something needs to be done.
Only you know if you can handle the Pain.................... JP
P.S.
TB-500 didn't help my Back, but did give me some Pain Relief for my Bi-Lateral Degenerative Hip Disease, but only Temporary, about 6 Months, but between the Loading Phase & Maintenance Phase I was on for almost 4 months.

 

[Wiltedrose]

I think it's definitely worth a shot IMO based on what I understood from those studies, unfortunately, I wasn't able to find a direct paper relating to your case.


"Tβ4 may provide a new clinical treatment for severe traumatic corneal wound disorders by promoting rapid corneal wound healing and decreasing both PMN infiltration and inflammatory cytokine and chemokine mRNA levels."

- Sosne, G., Szliter, E. A., Barrett, R., Kernacki, K. A., Kleinman, H., & Hazlett, L.
D.(2002). Thymosin beta 4 promotes corneal wound healing and decreases
inflammation in vivo following alkali injury. Experimental eye research, 74(2),
293-299.

"These results provide the first direct evidence that T beta 4 has chemoattractive activity and promotes angiogenesis by stimulating the migration of endothelial cells."

-Malinda, K. M., Goldstein, A. L., & Kleinman, H. K. (1997). Thymosin beta 4
stimulates directional migration of human umbilical vein endothelial cells. The
FASEB journal, 11(6), 474-481.

"Increased collagen deposition and angiogenesis were observed in the treated wounds. We also found that Tbeta4 stimulated keratinocyte migration in the Boyden chamber assay. After 4–5 h, migration was stimulated 2–3-fold over migration with medium alone when as little as 10 pg of Tbeta4 was added to the assay. These results suggest that Tbeta4 is a potent wound healing factor with multiple activities that may be useful in the clinic."

-Malinda, K. M., Sidhu, G. S., Mani, H., Banaudha, K., Maheshwari, R. K., Goldstein,
A. L., & Kleinman, H. K. (1999). Thymosin β4 accelerates wound healing. Journal of
investigative dermatology, 113(3), 364-368.

Cheers

 

[Dr JIM]

I think it's definitely worth a shot IMO based on what I understood from those studies, unfortunately, I wasn't able to find a direct paper relating to your case.


"Tβ4 may provide a new clinical treatment for severe traumatic corneal wound disorders by promoting rapid corneal wound healing and decreasing both PMN infiltration and inflammatory cytokine and chemokine mRNA levels."

- Sosne, G., Szliter, E. A., Barrett, R., Kernacki, K. A., Kleinman, H., & Hazlett, L.
D.(2002). Thymosin beta 4 promotes corneal wound healing and decreases
inflammation in vivo following alkali injury. Experimental eye research, 74(2),
293-299.

"These results provide the first direct evidence that T beta 4 has chemoattractive activity and promotes angiogenesis by stimulating the migration of endothelial cells."

-Malinda, K. M., Goldstein, A. L., & Kleinman, H. K. (1997). Thymosin beta 4
stimulates directional migration of human umbilical vein endothelial cells. The
FASEB journal, 11(6), 474-481.

"Increased collagen deposition and angiogenesis were observed in the treated wounds. We also found that Tbeta4 stimulated keratinocyte migration in the Boyden chamber assay. After 4–5 h, migration was stimulated 2–3-fold over migration with medium alone when as little as 10 pg of Tbeta4 was added to the assay. These results suggest that Tbeta4 is a potent wound healing factor with multiple activities that may be useful in the clinic."

-Malinda, K. M., Sidhu, G. S., Mani, H., Banaudha, K., Maheshwari, R. K., Goldstein,
A. L., & Kleinman, H. K. (1999). Thymosin β4 accelerates wound healing. Journal of
investigative dermatology, 113(3), 364-368.

Cheers

Your comparing an in vitro ocular alkali burn to MS back pain to prove what?

How does this study even remotely support the use of Tb as invivo therapy for patients with MS back pain esp those with disk disease.

You say "it's worth a shot" based on those studies? Well what studies are you referring to?

About the only shot the OP will receive from this PEP is a shot in the wallet.

 

[Wiltedrose]

Your comparing an ocular alkali burn to MS back pain to prove what?

I wasn't comparing the two doc, but I did mention that it helps with connective tissue healing and so it might aid him in healing. I also mentioned that it wasn't directly related to his case.

 

[Wiltedrose]

You say "it's worth a shot" based on those studies? Well what studies are you referring to?

About the only shot the OP will receive from this PEP is a shot in the wallet.

I just read the edited part of your post (didn't see it at first)

I must of misunderstood the studies then, I thought that accelerated tissue healing could help op's case.

My appologizes, and thanks for the correction.

Cheers

 

[Dr JIM]

You needn't apologize mate! Im only attempting to emphasize an "experimental" study in which cornea's were burned with an alkali and treated with TB is quite different from applying these results to humans with disk injuries

The study ONLY noted enhanced endothelial migration (which means the injured SUPERFICIAL cell layer was replaced with normal or near normal corneal epithelium)

Suffice it to say bc disk injuries are MUCH MORE complex than the corneal injuries such comparisons don't even remotely apply, IMO!