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RodgerThat said:
So your saying that a belt to be used as a waist shaper is fine but using a belt to squat makes you a bitch?
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relying on a belt to squat makes you a bitch. obviously a PR is different but when you're squatting for reps, fuck a belt for stability
 
corbin said:
lmao again.. not what I said. i've literally had people NOT squat because they forgot their belt. THAT'S what i mean.
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Okay thank you for the clarification on that. Not squating at all without a belt does suck but there's no way I'd squat reps of 3 plates or more without the belt due to core fatigue.
bhog said:
Hell no.
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That's what I was thinking just needed to know where he was going with that :p
 
RodgerThat said:
Okay thank you for the clarification on that. Not squating at all without a belt does suck but there's no way I'd squat reps of 3 plates or more without the belt due to core fatigue.

That's what I was thinking just needed to know where he was going with that :p
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I agree dude lol. 315 ain't a breeze. i was squatting it ass to grass yesterday for pauses and i think i only got up 6. i couldn't imagine trying to do it without a belt. but my roommate said he wasn't going to squat one day because he didn't have a belt and i'm like "dude.. you barely squat 225 for 8 wtf"
 
corbin said:
I agree dude lol. 315 ain't a breeze. i was squatting it ass to grass yesterday for pauses and i think i only got up 6. i couldn't imagine trying to do it without a belt. but my roommate said he wasn't going to squat one day because he didn't have a belt and i'm like "dude.. you barely squat 225 for 8 wtf"
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Heavy is relative for the person though if I was squatting 275max I'd wear a belt at 225 and probably wouldn't squat past 185 without it. It depends were you are in your journey.
 
RodgerThat said:
Heavy is relative for the person though if I was squatting 275max I'd wear a belt at 225 and probably wouldn't squat past 185 without it. It depends were you are in your journey.
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i guess that's true.. he doesn't go hard on legs so he needs to grow a pair
 
corbin said:
i guess that's true.. he doesn't go hard on legs so he needs to grow a pair
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I agree with you there everyone should push through for squats. Onto the straps thing again though, with those versa straps can you go double overhand for heavy rack pulls too? Looks like they'd slip to me under big weight
 
RodgerThat said:
I agree with you there everyone should push through for squats. Onto the straps thing again though, with those versa straps can you go double overhand for heavy rack pulls too? Looks like they'd slip to me under big weight
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brother they do NOT slip at all. they're absolutely great. heaviest rack pulls i've gone i think is 405 or 495 (can't remember if i did them with 4 or 5 plates).. i don't do them ofter. but deadlifting 405, no slip at all. lat pull down no slip with full rack. rowing with 225 no slip. rowing 125 dumbbells no slip. they grip incredibly well
 
i can't do normal straps anymore. shit kills my wrist so bad and peels skin off. these i have no problem with
 
I have the versa grips if any of u guys want them. only used them once. They didn't help my tennis elbow at all. can definitely lift more weight with them but too much finger grip is needed in my opinion or atleast for me anyways
 
i use straps when hitting big numbers for 5x5s. Try to avoid them tho but it's my back I'm trying to work primarily with deadlifts. Nothing wrong with using straps when needed
I do a lot of Olympic lifting as well

Belts I'm totally against unless youre a powerlifter doing 550+ Squats to 1rm, or someone with a back injury who needs it for stability. Key to great squats is a strong core. using the belt takes away a big chunk of the work out
 
Nordic said:
i use straps when hitting big numbers for 5x5s. Try to avoid them tho but it's my back I'm trying to work primarily with deadlifts. Nothing wrong with using straps when needed
I do a lot of Olympic lifting as well

Belts I'm totally against unless youre a powerlifter doing 550+ Squats to 1rm, or someone with a back injury who needs it for stability. Key to great squats is a strong core. using the belt takes away a big chunk of the work out
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Your logic is 100% off on belts and core work. Havin a belt actually makes you engage more core as you have something to brace against and works your core harder for stronger stability. Same reason using your natural grip will make you engage more stabilizer muscles during a lat pull down and that's the reason people use straps is because their smaller muscles give out before their lats but if they never used straps they would get to a very big weight before their stabilizers become the reason they are too fatigued for pull downs, just using that exercise as an example.
 
RodgerThat said:
Your logic is 100% off on belts and core work. Havin a belt actually makes you engage more core as you have something to brace against and works your core harder for stronger stability. Same reason using your natural grip will make you engage more stabilizer muscles during a lat pull down and that's the reason people use straps is because their smaller muscles give out before their lats but if they never used straps they would get to a very big weight before their stabilizers become the reason they are too fatigued for pull downs, just using that exercise as an example.
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Hmm. I got taught differently but will check it out. Perhaps my oly trainer just had a thing about wearing belts, who knows. I have a belt someone gave me and Have never used. I will use it next leg day and focus on core when I do the lifts. Never had someone explain it that way before so looking forward to trying it
 
Nordic said:
Hmm. I got taught differently but will check it out. Perhaps my oly trainer just had a thing about wearing belts, who knows. I have a belt someone gave me and Have never used. I will use it next leg day and focus on core when I do the lifts. Never had someone explain it that way before so looking forward to trying it
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I feel my core is stronger since getting and using a good belt for awhile. Of course that could just be me[emoji3].
 
Tried the belt today. Yeah I'll admit when focusing on core, and pushing into the belt, i could definitely feel it in the core. Ill recant my prior saying on it as it was obviously wrong. Wonder why my old trainer didn't like them
 
Nordic said:
Tried the belt today. Yeah I'll admit when focusing on core, and pushing into the belt, i could definitely feel it in the core. Ill recant my prior saying on it as it was obviously wrong. Wonder why my old trainer didn't like them
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Use to be common thought that belts were taking away from your own ability to make intrabdominal pressure to stabilize you spine and they weren't 100% incorrect. People were using thin belts and reefing them so tight that they could not fully engage there core as there with just essientially strangling their stomachs into submission. When using a belt you should be expanding your core into the belt via your valsalva breath and core engagement as opposed to the old thought of just cranking that sum of a biotch on as tight as possible. It's just an old train of thought and unless you have a progessive trainer then they will stay with the original thing they were taught way back when
 
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