Anyone bought into his program or had a look at what he has to offer? Just curious on thoughts as i have no idea what he pushes. But hes all over fb
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Jim stoppini training thoughts
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Aksfinest
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I'm in phase 2 week 1 of his Shortcut to size program. I like the way he sets up his meso and micro cycles. It keeps everything fresh and you're constantly making progress with different rep ranges and finisher sets.
As far as his nutrition and supplement recommendations...I browsed through it. It's a good approach, but I've been sticking with my own diet that has proven day in and day out to work for me.
Dimentio
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He's all over social media because that's how people sell their products/advertise now.
His supplements have made him a rich man, not because they're anything special but because people trust doctors and "science" talk. There's a sucker born every minute.
The training programs are good to try and see if it works for you. You should mix up your training styles anyways.
Thanks guys
I've done S2S a couple times,
Its not a bad split and the drop sets/ rest pause are good strategies for growth
Its not a bad split and the drop sets/ rest pause are good strategies for growth
I don't trust Stoppani....
This is pretty much my thoughts on him. I used his supps for awhile and liked them but too pricey. I still use his fish oil and grab a tub of his protein now and then because it's the best tasting I've found.
I have ran a few of his training programs and I have enjoyed most of them. I like how they're laid out and the variety that he has. He's all over selling people dreams and his followers will shove it down people's throats. His nutrition info is decent I think but it's really close to the same as most IIFYM guidelines as far as macro breakdown.
I would reccomend some of his training programs to try at least and I have to people. I just tell them to ignore all the supp stuff.
To tell you the truth, I think his pre jym is pretty legit as far as using sups that are proven to be effective. Not sure about the rest since I've only used pre jym. He advertises his ratios of sups so I bought all the bulk sups and mixed them to his percentages and had the same shit for a lot cheaper, and I added some dmaa for a little extra kick...
mudbutt22
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I'm with doc. Everything and I mean everything he does is created to sell supplements. If he's so full of shit about how much supplements will do for you, I'm not going to trust him when it comes to training.
Also I did shortcut to size a few years back and I wasn't impressed.
movingiron88
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@Docd187123
Please elaborate. You seem like a very intelligent person, I would love to hear your opinion. Your not jealous that he is a doctor are you?!?! Jk
Please elaborate. You seem like a very intelligent person, I would love to hear your opinion. Your not jealous that he is a doctor are you?!?! Jk
Anyone that sells supplements should be disregarded when it comes to supplement advice.
as far as workouts go, I think his are on the same playing field as other bro splits. The videos he links to on BB.com are pretty good tools for a noob to learn some new exercises.
as far as workouts go, I think his are on the same playing field as other bro splits. The videos he links to on BB.com are pretty good tools for a noob to learn some new exercises.
Not at all bc Stoppani has sold out his PhD to sell supplements. He makes exaggerated claims, pushes his supplements onto uneducated/unsuspecting consumers, his training programs from what I've seen suck, and he deletes people's criticism and rebuttals to his ridiculous claims.
Good to hear so i wont waste my $$$. Although i wouldnt even consider his supplements anyway
There are many others who would be worth your time to read about but Stoppani is not one of them.
Aksfinest
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Please break down how his programs "suck"? I get the whole trying to push his supplements, but how does that have anything to do with how effective his training programs are. What he's doing is using his training programs as a way to advertise his supplements. Shoot the guy he's trying to make money. Who the fuck isn't?
Have you ever ran any of his programs, or have you just looked over them and disregarded the wealth of knowledge he provides because he's pushing his supplements on you?
Like I've said I have personal experience with his programs. There's logic behind the way his programs are set up and they provide linear progression. As with anything online you should be smart enough to weed through the crap and find useful information/knowledge. His programs are well layed out and there's no denying that.
Any program can work. An untrained noob can gain leg size and increase squat strength simply from getting on an elliptical a few times a week. Does this mean that's a good program? Him selling his conscience out for a dollar by pushing his supplement line has nothing to do with his programs and I never said they did. Please go back and read what I wrote again.
I've read a few of his programs but no I've never ran any of them. I'm not foolish enough to and I'm at a point in my lifting career where not everything will work and I don't have the time to waste on asinine programs such as Stoppani's. A good coach will definitely provide a wealth of knowledge but this guy is neither a good coach nor a wealth of knowledge.
I'm glad you've gotten results in your training, really I am, but don't mistake you getting results into meaning theirs logic in his programming (there's not) and that his programs are well laid out (they're not). I was smart enough to weed through the useless BS online and weed out the good info but unfortunately I've yet to see anything I'd quantify as useful from him.
You asked me why his programs suck and I'll give you a few of the more important reasons:
1) his programs are aimed for natural lifters yet don't make use of arguably the most important training variable for natural lifters, namely, frequency. Drug enhanced lifters can get by with reduced frequency bc they're drug enhanced. For a natty to do so is not optimal, leaves progress on the table, and isn't well laid out.
2) he does employ a form of linear periodization but does so in a stupid manner. He uses the same generic volume measurements for the entire week. There's no thought to it. It's like he picks his volume requirements by throwing a dart in the wall and choosing whatever the dart lands on.
3) he uses the same stupid and generic rep/set requirements for every main lift for the day. If you know anythimg about programming you theres abso-fucking-lutely no reason or logic to doing cable crossovers for 3-5reps. Absolutely none. A good coach knows that the sets and reps you choose depend on the intensity being used, the goals of the lifter, and also the lift in question. Squats can be done in almost any rep range. A high cable curl cannot say the same. Same goes for incline dumbbell flyes.
movingiron88
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Well said, thank you. I haven't and don't plan on using any of his stuff, just wanted to hear your opinion. Thanks brother.
Kel995
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I have taken his entire product line for 4 months straight, I was not on a cycle, and when the placebo wore off, I'm pretty certain it really didn't make that much of a difference.
I have been instructed by my brother in law to just save the money and buy good food.
This has been working well, and honestly I feel like I look a lot better now. I'm just not a fan of how creatine works in my body, and both his pre-workout and post workout have it in there.
I haven't taken supplements in months now and I have not lost any strength, and I piss a lot less.
Kel995
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I have found, that whatever you believe in will allow you to reach 90% of your potential. When we started eating good food, the difference was night and day. $240 supplements a month, if you took that money and re-invested it in your grocery bill, you can eat very well.
