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Morning, guys!
I wanted to go over some adjustments I've made recently, in terms of GH and insulin.
There is SO much information out there about GH and insulin usage. You spend enough time researching, and you realize there is not ONE clear and concise way to use these drugs. Most ways work, honestly. I have done them all, such as:
-GH full dose AM, Humulin with breakfast. I would say this is the least effective method in terms of results, as well as lethargy. I felt tired from pinning my full GH dose, eating a huge meal (2 with humulin) and dropping my blood sugar. This is the least preferable, to me, but it still worked.
-GH 1/2 dose AM, 1/2 dose 45 minutes pre workout, humalog 15 minutes pre workout. This is, essentially, the most common protocol I see. It's a lot like Mutant's, except he adds IGF-1 LR3. I've done this, and it seems to make a big difference. BUT, and this is a big BUT, IGF-1 and insulin can be potentially dangerous if you are not careful. I don't LOVE the idea of dropping your blood sugar during your workout, and having to force your digestive system to absorb all those carbs while you're lifting. I still do this from time to time, but it's a very small amount of Humalog, truly just for the pump. Some believe this is, in a sense, a way to prevent catabolism and literally "build" muscle onto muscle while lifting (using the insulin superhighway to send nutrients such as BCAAs and creatine to the "damaged" muscle and "new" muscle). Well, if only it worked that way. There's just no fucking way your body can repair and absorb at that rate, I'm sorry. Use this for the "pump" only, don't expect much else. 10ius max of insulin should be used here, and humalog or any other fast acting insulin ONLY.
-GH split again, humalog post workout. Now this is something I can get behind. It gives you the GH spikes throughout the day (personally, I believe a few doses of 2.5 or so ius is better than one massive dose, personal preference) and it allows you to supercharge the nutrients to your muscles post workout.... When they need them. I think this is also the only process that MIGHT be suited for those who are not using GH. While overall I'm against insulin without GH, and I don't even want to get into GHRPs and GHRHs here, this one ought to be the best for those "poor man" insulin users.
- GH split with humulin in AM and humalog post workout. This is a great "intermediate" program. This allows you to pack in the nutrients first thing in the morning. I'd HIGHLY recommend taking your GH, orals if applicable, humulin and a creatine/bcaas/protein shake along with your regular meal. Creatine with insulin, by the way, is a NOOOOO brainer. The super osmotic response to creatine allows a state of immediate growth, duh, you want this with all of the nutrients being transported over. I like to "pack" in the nutrients in the AM with the humulin, and then finish with humalog post workout. This is assuming you are working out later in the day. If you're an early lifter, this program is tough with the medium acting insulin in the AM, I wouldn't recommend it. If you can't wait to lift at least 4 hours after the humulin, just stick to your humalog post workout. I suppose you could consider humalog in the AM, if you'd like, and humalog post workout. Just make yourself VERY well versed in their peaks and timing... No interest in overlapping those, trust me.
-GH split, humulin AM, humalog post workout and T4 at 200mcgs or T3 at 50mcgs split. Okay, well, this is my current protocol for a few weeks now, and I really have found this to be superior. I have been doing a lot of reading on increasing metabolic rate while using insulin, for obvious reasons. In order to justify the amount of food needed, and to consume it at a reasonable rate, we need to kick our metabolism into overdrive. GH naturally suppresses T3, for some time, as well. I shoot my GH, about 2.5iu 4x daily. I shoot humulin R with my breakfast along with the earlier mentioned creatine/bcaas/carbs shake. I also take 100mcgs of T4 2x daily, once in Am, once at lunch. Humalog is used post workout, as well. I am considering the usage of IGF-1 LR3, yet I am hesitant to find a real supplier. I used Transformix a long while back and it definitely had something in it, I was pumped and full all day and felt great. Now, I used Super Peptide's a while back, nothing, zip, nada... So, who knows...? I might give it another go, as it's OBVIOUS to stack 50 or so mcgs post workout with this stack.
I hope this gives you guys a better insight on insulin, GH and thyroid hormone usage. I have done all of the protocols, multiple times over, so this isn't just some speculative bullshit.
I wanted to go over some adjustments I've made recently, in terms of GH and insulin.
There is SO much information out there about GH and insulin usage. You spend enough time researching, and you realize there is not ONE clear and concise way to use these drugs. Most ways work, honestly. I have done them all, such as:
-GH full dose AM, Humulin with breakfast. I would say this is the least effective method in terms of results, as well as lethargy. I felt tired from pinning my full GH dose, eating a huge meal (2 with humulin) and dropping my blood sugar. This is the least preferable, to me, but it still worked.
-GH 1/2 dose AM, 1/2 dose 45 minutes pre workout, humalog 15 minutes pre workout. This is, essentially, the most common protocol I see. It's a lot like Mutant's, except he adds IGF-1 LR3. I've done this, and it seems to make a big difference. BUT, and this is a big BUT, IGF-1 and insulin can be potentially dangerous if you are not careful. I don't LOVE the idea of dropping your blood sugar during your workout, and having to force your digestive system to absorb all those carbs while you're lifting. I still do this from time to time, but it's a very small amount of Humalog, truly just for the pump. Some believe this is, in a sense, a way to prevent catabolism and literally "build" muscle onto muscle while lifting (using the insulin superhighway to send nutrients such as BCAAs and creatine to the "damaged" muscle and "new" muscle). Well, if only it worked that way. There's just no fucking way your body can repair and absorb at that rate, I'm sorry. Use this for the "pump" only, don't expect much else. 10ius max of insulin should be used here, and humalog or any other fast acting insulin ONLY.
-GH split again, humalog post workout. Now this is something I can get behind. It gives you the GH spikes throughout the day (personally, I believe a few doses of 2.5 or so ius is better than one massive dose, personal preference) and it allows you to supercharge the nutrients to your muscles post workout.... When they need them. I think this is also the only process that MIGHT be suited for those who are not using GH. While overall I'm against insulin without GH, and I don't even want to get into GHRPs and GHRHs here, this one ought to be the best for those "poor man" insulin users.
- GH split with humulin in AM and humalog post workout. This is a great "intermediate" program. This allows you to pack in the nutrients first thing in the morning. I'd HIGHLY recommend taking your GH, orals if applicable, humulin and a creatine/bcaas/protein shake along with your regular meal. Creatine with insulin, by the way, is a NOOOOO brainer. The super osmotic response to creatine allows a state of immediate growth, duh, you want this with all of the nutrients being transported over. I like to "pack" in the nutrients in the AM with the humulin, and then finish with humalog post workout. This is assuming you are working out later in the day. If you're an early lifter, this program is tough with the medium acting insulin in the AM, I wouldn't recommend it. If you can't wait to lift at least 4 hours after the humulin, just stick to your humalog post workout. I suppose you could consider humalog in the AM, if you'd like, and humalog post workout. Just make yourself VERY well versed in their peaks and timing... No interest in overlapping those, trust me.
-GH split, humulin AM, humalog post workout and T4 at 200mcgs or T3 at 50mcgs split. Okay, well, this is my current protocol for a few weeks now, and I really have found this to be superior. I have been doing a lot of reading on increasing metabolic rate while using insulin, for obvious reasons. In order to justify the amount of food needed, and to consume it at a reasonable rate, we need to kick our metabolism into overdrive. GH naturally suppresses T3, for some time, as well. I shoot my GH, about 2.5iu 4x daily. I shoot humulin R with my breakfast along with the earlier mentioned creatine/bcaas/carbs shake. I also take 100mcgs of T4 2x daily, once in Am, once at lunch. Humalog is used post workout, as well. I am considering the usage of IGF-1 LR3, yet I am hesitant to find a real supplier. I used Transformix a long while back and it definitely had something in it, I was pumped and full all day and felt great. Now, I used Super Peptide's a while back, nothing, zip, nada... So, who knows...? I might give it another go, as it's OBVIOUS to stack 50 or so mcgs post workout with this stack.
I hope this gives you guys a better insight on insulin, GH and thyroid hormone usage. I have done all of the protocols, multiple times over, so this isn't just some speculative bullshit.
thanks for this brother. speaking from personal experience is always best vs. speculation.
As an update, I will be trying the IGF-1 LR3 from Maxim Peptides... I will do 50mcg's/day and see where we go from there.
TRT
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Agreed! Nice explanation. It was easy to follow and didn't get off topic like I do. I liked it. I haven't used GH yet but I'm hoping to soon. I've used insulin plenty of times. I'll be doing a lot of the same. GH 2x a day Humalin in the morning and Humalog post workout with GH.
Thank you for posting that.
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Thanks, man! I have tried a lot of different versions, I tried to nail down the frequently proposed protocols here, and give my firsthand experiences with them. To me, insulin is largely useless unless used with GH. Yes, insulin is "anabolic", but, it's also anabolic towards fat cells. The synergy with GH is no fucking joke, either. GH alone isn't really all that great at adding muscle, but it's PRETTY good at melting fat. This is really a 1+1=3 kind of thing. Add in thyroid hormone, and it's a stellar stack. I have used T4 and T3 with it before. This go around I only had T4, which seems to be fine. It really would be a waste to NOT run the thyroid hormones in the mix...
ronin17
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Good detail wunder. Let us know about the lr3. I ran it for four months and only got the placebo effect.
Really curious how you respond to it.
Really curious how you respond to it.
Thats alot to take in.
GH by itself is no good at building muscle?
I dont wanna use freakin insulin man
Jus wanna get JACKED ON GROWTH BABY
When the time comes
TRT
Member
I've never ran T4 or 3. I'll have to look into that. I agree with the fact that insulin alone is damn near useless. I can agree with Dave P. On the fact that it puts the muscle in an anabolic state though.
I've used it in experimenting and I have done every possible configuration. I even check BS levels while I'm not using insulin to see how quickly I become insulin sensitive on low carbs vs none. By doing this it allows me jump back on insulin right away after stopping for the shortest amount of time possible.
Again thanks for posting all that I enjoyed reading it. Like I stated before I'll be trying GH here shortly so I'll need as many tools as I can learn to put on my belt so I can build the most with less.
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Thats alot to take in.
GH by itself is no good at building muscle?
I dont wanna use freakin insulin man
Jus wanna get JACKED ON GROWTH BABY
When the time comes
I feel I've been able to stay leaner while taking growth on cycle. Not sure that it's increased muscle building very much or not... It's definitely not a potent muscle builder. It's actually not a potent anything lol... It's a relatively mild compound IMO. But, it's slow and steady for results.
For me, holding onto muscle in a deficit and slow, steady fat loss were the best parts of GH use thus far.
Then don't use growth, IMO. It's just not that great at adding muscle, it's ECLIPSED by AAS and insulin, not even in the same universe.Thats alot to take in.
GH by itself is no good at building muscle?
I dont wanna use freakin insulin man
Jus wanna get JACKED ON GROWTH BABY
When the time comes
@Eman it is ONLY slow at muscle building until you add insulin. I'm telling you, it's just not really worth it otherwise. Unless your goal is what you're describing, staying lean, better rest, better skin etc. and letting the AAS and food grow you. That's fine too.
I've really enjoyed the effects of hGH so far... it is worth the cost to me without insulin for sure. BUT, I'll give slin a run someday too... It's just not needed for me at the moment.
It's a good drug man, it's like anavar or primo. Nothing crazy, but mild and easy to control... When used intelligently, you can unlock some great potential.
When I first got into all this I had the same thoughts as most probably do in regards to AAS... "I'm never going to understand all this..."
Not that I'm an expert by any means now but I do have a very good understanding of a lot of the mechanics of AAS.
Then I started learning about hGH... Wow. It's a relatively simple in its use and yet there is a TON to be learned from it IMO. It's mild like you said and yet the inner workings of it are really complex IMO. A lot going on for a mild hormone. It's really fascinating to me, very interested in this compound and I foresee myself using it for quite a long time.
I haven't read the whole post just skimmed over it some.
Can you point me in the right direction @Wunderpus where you found the information that GH suppresses T3?
Also, I would not advise taking T4 with breakfast or lunch as the absorption rate is decreased with the drug. I would only advise if you can't handle it on a empty stomach(most can). It would probably benefit more if you took it right before bedtime. This will help to lower TSH and increased T4.
mands
I will try and find the study. I took that info from Building the Perfect Beast by L. Rea.
I take the T4 about 45 minutes before my meals, I figure that's enough time to give it a head start to clear, right?
L. Rea is a little out there. He also probably hasn't wrote anything that I have read for 15 years.
I believe 45min. to 1 hour should be good.
mands
I knew I read something similar the other day.. got into that book a bit, read for about 45 minutes. It's so interesting, some of the protocols almost seem unlogical, but those are my favorite protocols. I'm ashame for you to respond saying insulin is almost useless without GH - as from many studies I've read to show insulin still be a huge contribution if fat loss can be kept at a minimal.
He is out there, no doubt. But, to be honest, his protocols have worked for me and I feel as though he is discounted due to the "wild" cycles he has discussed. However, I don't think they are as "wild" as people think as these were cycles used by HIGH level pro BB'ers, not your average Joe.
Nonetheless, I think he is hit and miss. However, the synergy between T4, GH and insulin that I PERSONALLY have experienced is truly undeniable. I cannot seem to imagine that it's a placebo effect, maybe, who knows? But, it seems to "work" a hell of a lot better than just GH and insulin or GH and T4 alone... The 3 really seems to take things to the next, next, level.
"Kept minimal" is your key point here, we agree. But 20ius insulin without GH would be more harmful than good. Now, something like 4 or 5iu humalog post workout? That could be helpful, you dig? It's not THAT black and white.
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