Anavar and liver support (NAC)

[Inquiring Mind]

Before i jump into my stats, this is what is on my mind..Planning ahead for my 2nd cycle, would like to take Anavar for 6 weeks at 50mg/day. Of course i will be taking it alone with Test Cyp at 200mg/week.
In anticipation of live support I would be taking NAC. Depending on bloods i would start with 1800mg/day and go up to 2400mg/day if enzymes had elevate by mid-cycle bloods ie week 4.

My Stats:
43yrs young.
5'10.
218.
29%BF per Bod Pod.
Hitting weights since Junior High...I think i was 13 or 14 then till i turned 20. At that point i got into amateur boxing and did that competitively for 7 years, so obviously the focus from weights shifted drastically. Took the next 7 years off...got married, had kids, divorce, we to school and got an education, landed a great job. But always was on/off with the weights.
Fast forward 6 years ago to 2010 and i made my mind to get back to weight training and incorporate it as part of my life.
Since 2010 i have been doing a lot of catching up..Times sure have changed since Lee Haney was the king of O. Been doing a lot of reading and learning about my heath an how to eat properly, etc. I have finally learned how to be consistent.

Started TRT back on Feb 2015. TT was 208 and Free was 61.
Currently taking 200mg/week which i split at 100mg 2x week (Monday morning and Thursday evening) which keeps me in the upper 700s mid week.

I did a short blast at 400mg/week for approximately 8 weeks and was vitalized to say the least. That was like 6 months ago..I want to do another cycle, my "2nd cycle" but this time i want to keep the Test at 200mg/week and want to include the Var as stated above.

Question, If i take 10mg pills of Var @ 50mg/day, and space them out every 8 hours, where and how often in between do i take liver support meds?

Thank you all in advance. There is a ton on info left out but I'm sure the questions will extrapolate any info i couldn't squeeze in on the initial post.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

Most will tell you that liver support meds won't do jack shit for you.

Never tried them myself as i don't really mess with orals too often, so i couldn't say.

i'd do a little research into them, why spend cash on something you don't need when you can put it towards more gear, right?

Think i'll do a little research of my own, you have me intrigued now.

 

[Test_Subject]

The only liver support that's worthwhile is water. NAC, milk thistle and all that crap are snake oil.

TUDCA does have some benefit post cycle, as it can help treat existing cholestasis, but there's no evidence that it helps as a preventative measure.

 

[Juced]

Well.. i do think NAC is a good sup and would rec it

 

[Brandaddy]

I don't even fuck with liver supps while taking var. The last time I did it was 50mg's a day for just under 6 weeks and my liver values were still well within range at the end of it.

 

[Inquiring Mind]

Most will tell you that liver support meds won't do jack shit for you.

Never tried them myself as i don't really mess with orals too often, so i couldn't say.

i'd do a little research into them, why spend cash on something you don't need when you can put it towards more gear, right?

Think i'll do a little research of my own, you have me intrigued now.

I think its debatable whether its jack shit or not, so i would rather err on the side of caution.

There are so many drugs to choose from, and each one has its purpose, but i personally wouldn't base my decision on price solely. Also, more gear is meaningless, unless you have a defined plan of action for it. To me that is a wast of money. I'm no experst, obviouly, so dont get me wrong, but to me AAS are not like buying closet full of fancy footwear. I buy what i know and plan to utilize over a specific period of time.

I hope you will research more on this drug, and chime back in, we can really dig deep into this. I have done a lot of digging on the net, and honestly, there is no much experience out there. I see a lot of people that have started a cycle and guys start posting a log but like for some reason they disappear by week 5. LOL. We never see or hear what the end result is.
Later bro.

 

[Inquiring Mind]

The only liver support that's worthwhile is water. NAC, milk thistle and all that crap are snake oil.

TUDCA does have some benefit post cycle, as it can help treat existing cholestasis, but there's no evidence that it helps as a preventative measure.

Here is what i got from another board, so i cant take any credit for it, but i think to suggest that NAC is snake oil is misleading.
Here's a list of benefits NAC can provide your body:

01. Powerful antioxidant
02. Counteracts poisons (carbon monoxide, acetaminophen)
03. Treats Lung infections (bronchitis, influenza, obstructive pulmonary... yes, even you dang smokers)
04. Treats acute liver failure
05. Treats Ear infections
06. Lowers cholesterol
07. Increased immunity
08. Has a role in Energy
09. Aids with psychiatric conditions (depression, obsession, addictions)
10. Prevents kidney stones
11. Protects muscle tissue (post workout recovery)
12. Improves insulin sensitivity
13. Treats stomach infections
14. Defends against stomach-ulcer causing bacteria.
15. Seriously? You're still reading? Go get some NAC!

This is why I choose NAC. It will protect my liver just as good as UDCA, but its overall benefits are unbelievable.

 

[Inquiring Mind]

I don't even fuck with liver supps while taking var. The last time I did it was 50mg's a day for just under 6 weeks and my liver values were still well within range at the end of it.

I hear you on that point. That is why i stated at the beginning that NAC doses would be subject to pre/mid/post cycle bloods.

 

[penche]

My liver enzymes were also within range on var and my own Tren brew.

Only way to stop elevated liver enzymes is test yourself and stop the offending agent.

 

[Yomane]

Doubt you need any liver support for var as long as you take general antioxidants and adequate water. I'd be more worried about cholesterol on var.

 

[Afguy901]

@Dr JIM

 

[Dr JIM]

Here is what i got from another board, so i cant take any credit for it, but i think to suggest that NAC is snake oil is misleading.
Here's a list of benefits NAC can provide your body:

01. Powerful antioxidant
02. Counteracts poisons (carbon monoxide, acetaminophen)
03. Treats Lung infections (bronchitis, influenza, obstructive pulmonary... yes, even you dang smokers)
04. Treats acute liver failure
05. Treats Ear infections
06. Lowers cholesterol
07. Increased immunity
08. Has a role in Energy
09. Aids with psychiatric conditions (depression, obsession, addictions)
10. Prevents kidney stones
11. Protects muscle tissue (post workout recovery)
12. Improves insulin sensitivity
13. Treats stomach infections
14. Defends against stomach-ulcer causing bacteria.
15. Seriously? You're still reading? Go get some NAC!

This is why I choose NAC. It will protect my liver just as good as UDCA, but its overall benefits are unbelievable.

I won't belabor the provisos you so conveniently omitted bc the only FDA indication for oral NAC therapy is an ACUTE APAP ingestion, but you were able to locate FOURTEEN other reasons for using NAC .....

Fascinating but didn't you overlook one other much more impressive "benefit"of NAC:
PENILE SMOOTH MUSCLE HYERTROPHY, lol!

The most effect means of preventing AAS related hepatic injury, limit the dose and duration of ORAL AAS exposure.

Still have some extra funds ?
Obtain baseline Liver Fct Studies

Still have extra cash?
Go out to eat, but avoid the alcohol if running oral agents

STILL more money left over?
Dude you're "rich" and have no reason to run oral agents

 

[Inquiring Mind]

Doubt you need any liver support for var as long as you take general antioxidants and adequate water. I'd be more worried about cholesterol on var.

That is a very valid concern! Lots of flax seed and Omega 3 at the very least.

 

[CherryChillin]

The best liver support is getting rid of all fructose sources including table sugar.

Then take 500mg each choline bitartrate and inositol 3xday 4 weeks. You'll be good.

NAC is good, but really what it does is boost glutathione.

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[Just Fish]

I

Before i jump into my stats, this is what is on my mind..Planning ahead for my 2nd cycle, would like to take Anavar for 6 weeks at 50mg/day. Of course i will be taking it alone with Test Cyp at 200mg/week.
In anticipation of live support I would be taking NAC. Depending on bloods i would start with 1800mg/day and go up to 2400mg/day if enzymes had elevate by mid-cycle bloods ie week 4.

My Stats:
43yrs young.
5'10.
218.
29%BF per Bod Pod.
Hitting weights since Junior High...I think i was 13 or 14 then till i turned 20. At that point i got into amateur boxing and did that competitively for 7 years, so obviously the focus from weights shifted drastically. Took the next 7 years off...got married, had kids, divorce, we to school and got an education, landed a great job. But always was on/off with the weights.
Fast forward 6 years ago to 2010 and i made my mind to get back to weight training and incorporate it as part of my life.
Since 2010 i have been doing a lot of catching up..Times sure have changed since Lee Haney was the king of O. Been doing a lot of reading and learning about my heath an how to eat properly, etc. I have finally learned how to be consistent.

Started TRT back on Feb 2015. TT was 208 and Free was 61.
Currently taking 200mg/week which i split at 100mg 2x week (Monday morning and Thursday evening) which keeps me in the upper 700s mid week.

I did a short blast at 400mg/week for approximately 8 weeks and was vitalized to say the least. That was like 6 months ago..I want to do another cycle, my "2nd cycle" but this time i want to keep the Test at 200mg/week and want to include the Var as stated above.

Question, If i take 10mg pills of Var @ 50mg/day, and space them out every 8 hours, where and how often in between do i take liver support meds?

Thank you all in advance. There is a ton on info left out but I'm sure the questions will extrapolate any info i couldn't squeeze in on the initial post.

I was planning on full running a cycle this winter. I had to bump up a surgery due to insurance changing so I only had 4 weeks for cycle. So I decided to just run anavar along with my 100mg test e every 5 days. I have been taking 50mg of var with my Trt dose and I am happy with the results. This is my last week and I've put on probably 8lbs. I'd say the biggest difference has been in the gym, strength has gone up and endurance is through the roof. I've had to stop myself multiple times from doing more workouts. I'd say it's worth it but if I had the option I'd much rather run a 4 month cycle of injectables

 

[Inquiring Mind]

I won't belabor the provisos you so conveniently omitted bc the only FDA indication for oral NAC therapy is an ACUTE APAP ingestion, but you were able to locate FOURTEEN other reasons for using NAC .....

Fascinating but didn't you overlook one other much more impressive "benefit"of NAC:
PENILE SMOOTH MUSCLE HYERTROPHY, lol!

The most effect means of preventing AAS related hepatic injury, limit the dose and duration of ORAL AAS exposure.

Still have some extra funds ?
Obtain baseline Liver Fct Studies

Still have extra cash?
Go out to eat, but avoid the alcohol if running oral agents

STILL more money left over?
Dude you're "rich" and have no reason to run oral agents

Nothing convenient about omitting conditions that unaware of, if there were more that i knew about, the list would have been longer. In that regard good sir, you don't have to exhaust yourself of the entirety of the list, which speaks for itself, but don't think it would hurt you too much if you were to edify us/me. But if i were to take a wild guess, i would say that the FDA junk you were referring too was that NAC is commonly used in hospitals to flush individuals stomachs due to overdosing on Aspirin. But i hope this is not your main counter argument, bc we all know and understand that the FDA doesn't approve a lot of drugs to fall under other classifications, such as Clomiphene; unless your a woman you would have to purchase it "off label".

I've not heard of Penal Smooth Muscle Hypotrophy before, but by they way you make it sound, i assume its something desirable. Care to elaborate?

I agree with limiting the dose and duration, that is why i proposed a 6 week cycle at 50mg. Do feel free to suggest otherwise. If it were piratical i would do an even shorter cycle with a break in between and another to follow, but i have not read or seen any such cycles or suggestions.

I agree with baseline liver functions..i said this myself already.

I don't drink...ok i got hammered on X-Mass, but that's different. LOL.

I never said i was "rich".

In any event, I appreciate you chiming in Doc.
But if not orals, that what injectable in lieu of Anavar?

 

[Inquiring Mind]

The best liver support is getting rid of all fructose sources including table sugar.

Then take 500mg each choline bitartrate and inositol 3xday 4 weeks. You'll be good.

NAC is good, but really what it does is boost glutathione.

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Thank you..I can further look into this and chew on it. Much appreciated. Also, is Choline during or after the Var cycle?

 

[Inquiring Mind]

I

I was planning on full running a cycle this winter. I had to bump up a surgery due to insurance changing so I only had 4 weeks for cycle. So I decided to just run anavar along with my 100mg test e every 5 days. I have been taking 50mg of var with my Trt dose and I am happy with the results. This is my last week and I've put on probably 8lbs. I'd say the biggest difference has been in the gym, strength has gone up and endurance is through the roof. I've had to stop myself multiple times from doing more workouts. I'd say it's worth it but if I had the option I'd much rather run a 4 month cycle of injectables

Thanks for the detailed reply.. you said you were pleased with the results but if you had another options...Such as what? Considering what Anavar does and how it functions, what is available?

 

[CherryChillin]

Thank you..I can further look into this and chew on it. Much appreciated. Also, is Choline during or after the Var cycle?

Both of the ingredients need to be mixed together for it to be effective.
Remember, animal liver is high in the B vitamin choline and the rest of the complex. So it would make sense it gets until the human liver and it does clean the excess fat from increased blood fats.

I'd take it easy as fuck on fruit only eat it around workouts and I personally won't touch shit unless it's berries. Fructose is poison, it doesn't even really spike insulin so no point.

You can and should take it with the var. I like iherbdotcom free 2 day shipping in the states

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[Getbignotdietrying]

The only liver support that's worthwhile is water. NAC, milk thistle and all that crap are snake oil.

TUDCA does have some benefit post cycle, as it can help treat existing cholestasis, but there's no evidence that it helps as a preventative measure.

I would NEVER say NAC is just "snake oil". NAC is great for many things. I started taking it for my cycle and never stopped once I realized a few great things about it. Do some research on it before knocking it.