Let's grow October 24th - January 30th

WP throwing this out there brother-I feel stupid asking you this because I know you know your shit and it seems like common sense but always seems to get easily overlooked.

Are you eating more calories now then when you started your blast-have you progressed in your calorie intake during the blast? We always seem to talk a lot about progressing weight, progressing drugs, progressing volume, progressing frequency, progressing cardio etc. I think progressing food is just as or more important for continued gains.

I have been guilty of this mistake myself. Everyone should take an honest look at this and evaluate. I think this is where alot of people go wrong. Say you started your blast at 5,000 calories/day. Even if this is way over your TDEE to start, at some point you will need to add more calories to continue gains. Add them in slowly and methodically just like we do with training and drugs.

I think the best place to add them is the meals post workout! Switching up carb sources to calorie dense easy digestible carbs like cereal, bagels, muffins, Rice Krispies, sorbet! Sorbet is the shit post workout and an easy 160g carbs per pint-yeah I got that from Jordan Peters and Dr. Scott Stevenson. I will not take credit if a sorbet craze starts on MESO because once you try it you will get addicted.

Im sure you've already looked at this but maybe someone else can benefit from me asking you the question.
This is very similar to what @gr8whitetrukker suggested. I will trying slamming the macros even higher and see what happens!
 
I hope everyone had a nice New Years, I sure did!

As mentioned in a recent post, I have been struggling to put on weight. I was hoping to start my cut soon, so it might make more sense to transition into it now, as I will be running longer esters (mast E, and tren E). Overall, I guess I was expecting more, here, as I've done it before. I'm not sure if the overall stress of the last few months was a big part of the lack of success, or if my body really just needs a break from trying to grow....? I'm up about 15 lbs total as of yesterday, which I guess isn't terrible as there's no major fat gain... Maybe I need to be more realistic as these cycles go on, and realize that is a success....

If I start today, and run it for 16 weeks, that'll put me into early may...

My plan is:
Tren 1500 per week :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: At first I will be running tren ace and tren E.
Mast Enan., 1000mg's per week
EQ 1000mg's/week
I will use anavar, andarol and winstrol throughout, taking 2 weeks off in between
GH won't change, 9.5iu/day.
No insulin.
 
What do ya think about what BB69 said in the other...?
Said Coleman takes 100iu GH everyday?:eek:
Is than even possible? Could you tolerate that?
Affording it is another thing entirely...
 
What do ya think about what BB69 said in the other...?
Said Coleman takes 100iu GH everyday?:eek:
Is than even possible? Could you tolerate that?
Affording it is another thing entirely...
I mean, I'm not sure.... I guess it's POSSIBLE... I kind of doubt he needed it, to be honest. Look at him on the Olympia stage when he claims he was natty. I think there's a lot of lore surrounding IFBB pros. We forget they are genetic freaks, who literally just lift, sleep and eat.... Then, have access to as many drugs as they can take. Now, imagine spending ~$500 a day on GH, I find it unlikely. But, I could be wrong.
 
I mean, I'm not sure.... I guess it's POSSIBLE... I kind of doubt he needed it, to be honest. Look at him on the Olympia stage when he claims he was natty. I think there's a lot of lore surrounding IFBB pros. We forget they are genetic freaks, who literally just lift, sleep and eat.... Then, have access to as many drugs as they can take. Now, imagine spending ~$500 a day on GH, I find it unlikely. But, I could be wrong.
He held a full time job in the Arlington PD thru his training years which most police hours arent short days. If i had to run $500/day in GH i dont think i would have much of a life. Or family. Unless he had help
 
He held a full time job in the Arlington PD thru his training years which most police hours arent short days. If i had to run $500/day in GH i dont think i would have much of a life. Or family. Unless he had help
Sponsors will cover a fair bit. I know he has/had money. My understanding is Arnold is the wealthiest BB'er, followed by Jay. Beyond that, I don't know. Ronnie doesn't strike me as the kind of guy with the smarts to save his money and build an empire. I just am struggling to fathom about $180K a year on GH alone. I'm not saying it's NOT possible, or he didn't do it.... But, how can we know for sure? Reminds me of Rich Piana talking about when he used to slam 36iu Seros a day, hmmm... A poor, unknown BB'er spending that much? I doubt it.

It sounds good to talk about the crazy shit you "used" to do...
 
Yeah, i dont think these IFBB guys are making anything off comp winnings. With the rumored drug use especially at 100iu of gh/day or likely very high anyways. Cant imagine they would make a living off the sport. Unless they have sponsors for food and cheaper hormones. Or they crossover like Arnold did and make movies or become involved in making a brand for themselves. All in all its just my opinion. But i dont think its a very glamorous or worthwhile cause. Considering everything
 
I don't believe 100ius is possible for any reasonable amount of time... My body hurts just thinking about 100ius.
 
I don't believe 100ius is possible for any reasonable amount of time... My body hurts just thinking about 100ius.
Thats my thinking
But given his tremendous size it would seem tremendous drugs are needed. I guess. But who the hell knows. Seems wildly irresponsible to me boss
 
Thats my thinking
But given his tremendous size it would seem tremendous drugs are needed. I guess. But who the hell knows. Seems wildly irresponsible to me boss

The thing is, at least from my understanding, your body is only capable of producing so much IGF1 from the hGH. So for argument's sake, if he was taking 100iu... I don't think it would be any different than taking 50iu. Taking 5iu versus 15iu would probably be a different story though.
 
I hope everyone had a nice New Years, I sure did!

As mentioned in a recent post, I have been struggling to put on weight. I was hoping to start my cut soon, so it might make more sense to transition into it now, as I will be running longer esters (mast E, and tren E). Overall, I guess I was expecting more, here, as I've done it before. I'm not sure if the overall stress of the last few months was a big part of the lack of success, or if my body really just needs a break from trying to grow....? I'm up about 15 lbs total as of yesterday, which I guess isn't terrible as there's no major fat gain... Maybe I need to be more realistic as these cycles go on, and realize that is a success....

If I start today, and run it for 16 weeks, that'll put me into early may...

My plan is:
Tren 1500 per week :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: At first I will be running tren ace and tren E.
Mast Enan., 1000mg's per week
EQ 1000mg's/week
I will use anavar, andarol and winstrol throughout, taking 2 weeks off in between
GH won't change, 9.5iu/day.
No insulin.
Holy Christ! That is a pretty penny right there.
 
I hope everyone had a nice New Years, I sure did!

As mentioned in a recent post, I have been struggling to put on weight. I was hoping to start my cut soon, so it might make more sense to transition into it now, as I will be running longer esters (mast E, and tren E). Overall, I guess I was expecting more, here, as I've done it before. I'm not sure if the overall stress of the last few months was a big part of the lack of success, or if my body really just needs a break from trying to grow....? I'm up about 15 lbs total as of yesterday, which I guess isn't terrible as there's no major fat gain... Maybe I need to be more realistic as these cycles go on, and realize that is a success....

If I start today, and run it for 16 weeks, that'll put me into early may...

My plan is:
Tren 1500 per week :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: At first I will be running tren ace and tren E.
Mast Enan., 1000mg's per week
EQ 1000mg's/week
I will use anavar, andarol and winstrol throughout, taking 2 weeks off in between
GH won't change, 9.5iu/day.
No insulin.

Whats your diet gonna look like during your cut?
Also what is your target BF %
 
Whats your diet gonna look like during your cut?
Also what is your target BF %
No idea on target BF, as my BF scale is relatively unreliable... I'm gonna make a new thread on it, but the diet will be 350g protein, and 150g fats, no carbs.
 
So, if you guys wanted to see the progress made here, the MAIN focus was ARMS, there was no synthol but the occasional site injection into bi's or tri's with winstrol. So, I definitely feel I achieved my goal, well at least one. @Eman yesterday was pointing out how my arms grew, and I didn't even notice until I compared pics.

Start (told you guys I got tiny when I didn't eat and barely trained for 4 months)

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End:
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So, if you guys wanted to see the progress made here, the MAIN focus was ARMS, there was no synthol but the occasional site injection into bi's or tri's with winstrol. So, I definitely feel I achieved my goal, well at least one. @Eman yesterday was pointing out how my arms grew, and I didn't even notice until I compared pics.

Start (told you guys I got tiny when I didn't eat and barely trained for 4 months)

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End:
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Can't see pics.
 
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