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Testing IGF-1 levels on Black Top Meditrope

What? Really? I always kept peps in my little bridge in my room. I know I'll be buying GH when I pull myself out this financial slump so I bought another fridge again.

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8 IU ED split 4 and 4, AM+PM. Just about missed an AM or PM dose every week and one or two weeks I missed two in a week. Also missed an entire day about 5 days before this test:

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I'm now doing 4 IU ED in the morning. Is 2 weeks enough time before getting tested again to check for changes? @mands please advise, thank you.
 
legendary said:
What batch you running?
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#18 right now. Have about 8 kits of those left, 12 kits of batch #19, and 1 kit of batch #20. I'm hopeful that they're all dosed similarly (over 10 IU). Think it might just be my body that doesn't respond well to it. Although I have been on accutane for a while which I've read may hinder igf-1 conversion.
 
DickySmalls said:
8 IU ED split 4 and 4, AM+PM. Just about missed an AM or PM dose every week and one or two weeks I missed two in a week. Also missed an entire day about 5 days before this test:

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http://i.imgur.com/GC9TIgu.png

I'm now doing 4 IU ED in the morning. Is 2 weeks enough time before getting tested again to check for changes? @mands please advise, thank you.
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It looks like you been basically running 4 iu's a day then correct by missing either an AM or PM dose. So I would say your IGF-1 levels look good at that dose.

I would expect to see similar or a little higher with being consistent at 4 iu's daily and up to the test date.

mands
 
mands said:
It looks like you been basically running 4 iu's a day then correct by missing either an AM or PM dose. So I would say your IGF-1 levels look good at that dose.

I would expect to see similar or a little higher with being consistent at 4 iu's daily and up to the test date.

mands
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Whoops, I wasn't clear. 6 out of 7 days I hit 8 IU ED. 1 out of 7 days I only hit 4 IU in the day (missed either the PM or AM dose). And at least one of those weeks, it was 5 out 7 for 8 IU ED and 2 out of 7 for 4 IU ED. The last week, I totally missed a day so that day I did 0 IU.

Now, I'm totally omitting the PM dose and seeing what 4 IU in the AM gives me. So you think 2 weeks @ that dose is sufficient enough for retesting or does it need to be longer? Thank you again
 
DickySmalls said:
Whoops, I wasn't clear. 6 out of 7 days I hit 8 IU ED. 1 out of 7 days I only hit 4 IU in the day (missed either the PM or AM dose). And at least one of those weeks, it was 5 out 7 for 8 IU ED and 2 out of 7 for 4 IU ED. The last week, I totally missed a day so that day I did 0 IU.

Now, I'm totally omitting the PM dose and seeing what 4 IU in the AM gives me. So you think 2 weeks @ that dose is sufficient enough for retesting or does it need to be longer? Thank you again
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Your igf seems quite low for 8iu a day. About half or a little more than half of what I would hope for.
 
Pipelinesteve4 said:
Your igf seems quite low for 8iu a day. About half or a little more than half of what I would hope for.
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Yes, I have past blood work too. 10 IU ED (at once) gave me ~440 so I tried 4 IU + 4 IU to see if I could get it to like 500-600 but nope. Now I'm curious if I just do 4 IU ED if it will still put me at ~400 or about half of that.
 
DickySmalls said:
Yes, I have past blood work too. 10 IU ED (at once) gave me ~440 so I tried 4 IU + 4 IU to see if I could get it to like 500-600 but nope. Now I'm curious if I just do 4 IU ED if it will still put me at ~400 or about half of that.
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Well it would come down to how well your body converts the hgh to igf also. So it may not just be the hgh. I know when I take alot of orals or tren I will get consistently lower igf scores compared to when I'm on cruise dose.
 
DickySmalls said:
Whoops, I wasn't clear. 6 out of 7 days I hit 8 IU ED. 1 out of 7 days I only hit 4 IU in the day (missed either the PM or AM dose). And at least one of those weeks, it was 5 out 7 for 8 IU ED and 2 out of 7 for 4 IU ED. The last week, I totally missed a day so that day I did 0 IU.

Now, I'm totally omitting the PM dose and seeing what 4 IU in the AM gives me. So you think 2 weeks @ that dose is sufficient enough for retesting or does it need to be longer? Thank you again
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Okay I see what you are saying. Seems a little low but consistency is always better for accurate levels.

2 weeks should be good.

mands
 
Do you have a xcpected IGF-1 score that you have results on @ about that dose? (4 iu's P/D?)
That will b yr new protocol 4iu's P/D A.M. Injection?
As we Know everyone scores very diferently , A individual may b much higher on that dose and another may b much lower. The old rule 100 points per 1 IU may work for some @ times to most it is a Pipe dream...
So it is crucial to know how you score if any comparisons can b made.
Then as Mr. Pipeline Steve says in the second post above perfectly. That many things can effect IGF-1 scores.
Those things are becomin proven more and more on these Boards
It has always been and is still common place to blame the HGH for low IGF-1 scores.
And not the human or the things they are takin ,age, wellness,ect.
I also think 2 weeks time to repeat the IGF-1 test is ample amount of time in a reduction like that....
 
8IU daily and mid 400's does seem a tad low, especially if we are to believe they are overdosed more like 13.5-14IU per bottle. Still better than my 5IU ED of black tops giving me a whopping 150 IGF-1 level, though.

For arguments sake I have so many kits left I might do 10IU daily for awhile ... test igf-1 ... if it comes back poorly like I suspect .., back to paying more for real pharm GH and actually looking badass again. I'll do it now before I ramp up my training and cycles for competition season. Then likely serostim during prep... at least I can trust serostim.
 
Buck1973 said:
Do you have a xcpected IGF-1 score that you have results on @ about that dose? (4 iu's P/D?)
That will b yr new protocol 4iu's P/D A.M. Injection?
As we Know everyone scores very diferently , A individual may b much higher on that dose and another may b much lower. The old rule 100 points per 1 IU may work for some @ times to most it is a Pipe dream...
So it is crucial to know how you score if any comparisons can b made.
Then as Mr. Pipeline Steve says in the second post above perfectly. That many things can effect IGF-1 scores.
Those things are becomin proven more and more on these Boards
It has always been and is still common place to blame the HGH for low IGF-1 scores.
And not the human or the things they are takin ,age, wellness,ect.
I also think 2 weeks time to repeat the IGF-1 test is ample amount of time in a reduction like that....
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Where are you from, if you don't mind me asking?

trackstar19 said:
8IU daily and mid 400's does seem a tad low, especially if we are to believe they are overdosed more like 13.5-14IU per bottle. Still better than my 5IU ED of black tops giving me a whopping 150 IGF-1 level, though.

For arguments sake I have so many kits left I might do 10IU daily for awhile ... test igf-1 ... if it comes back poorly like I suspect .., back to paying more for real pharm GH and actually looking badass again. I'll do it now before I ramp up my training and cycles for competition season. Then likely serostim during prep... at least I can trust serostim.
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Well I'm curious if I'll get around 200 since I've dropped it in half. We'll see. If I get 400+ then idk...
 
DickySmalls said:
840 test e / WK
700 tren e / WK
25 mg aromasin ED
40 mg accutane ED
20 mg lisinopril ED
25 mcg t3 ED
200 mg modafinil ED
20 mg cialis E3D
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You may have a similar issue as me. When running stuff hard on my liver I always test significantly lower igf. Have you done any testing without being on blast?

You seem to have consistent numbers from all the times you test. At least as far as I can see. So it comes down to what numbers you get from hgh. I would reccomend running some pharma at some point and then you will have solid numbers to judge from. Like I said earlier, we all test differently so you need to know you. I also test lower than 100 points per iu consistently but also higher than you do. That me though.
 
Pipelinesteve4 said:
You may have a similar issue as me. When running stuff hard on my liver I always test significantly lower igf. Have you done any testing without being on blast?

You seem to have consistent numbers from all the times you test. At least as far as I can see. So it comes down to what numbers you get from hgh. I would reccomend running some pharma at some point and then you will have solid numbers to judge from. Like I said earlier, we all test differently so you need to know you. I also test lower than 100 points per iu consistently but also higher than you do. That me though.
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Nope. My baseline was 135-140 on a blast. Then I tried TheGreytop. Four weeks. Each week @ 2 IU ED, 3 IU ED, 4 IU ED, then 5 IU ED. So average of 3.5 IU ED. IGF-1 came back 335-340 IIRC. Then I switched to the blacks @ 10 IU ED and got 440ish. Then 8 IU split equally between AM/PM and got 430ish. Now I'm trying 4 IU ED to see what I get.
 
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