TSL LABS

[G2Ready]

It all confuses me a bit too. I was put on trt even though my total was an acceptable number 269. My free t was 3.6. My shbgs was something like 56 which I believe to be the main component binding my test up.

Edit: Even on test with my total being low to mod 600s in my trough my free t was 9.7 last time it was checked. Still not close to optimal.

with what u said I can understand because ur free T was not higher than total T (or bound).

With a high free test and a lower desired total T... i believe other members are thinking that his metabolism as increased by over 50% since last cycle... amazes me at his androgen receptors and how awake they are now

Smh--- I'm gonna go back to being a meat head

 

[Deepwaters1987]

You try spiking your test with a little masteron to free some up or is that still an inconclusive theory?

I have been using mast but didn't get free test by accident on last labs. Next labs will have free t for sure. I plan on running some low dose mast when I start my cruise. I'll try to do labs to see how big of a difference it makes.

 

[Deepwaters1987]

with what u said I can understand because ur free T was not higher than total T (or bound).

With a high free test and a lower desired total T... i believe other members are thinking that his metabolism as increased by over 50% since last cycle... amazes me at his androgen receptors and how awake they are now

Smh--- I'm gonna go back to being a meat head

Haha I'm with you. So far I've lifted big and ate big and it's been working. Currently trying to cut and actually having to dial in my diet has been a bit of a chore. Lifting hard and eating big is easy... At leat until the heat comes and I'm outside working in it all day. Gets a bit harder to get those calories then.

 

[G2Ready]

Haha I'm with you. So far I've lifted big and ate big and it's been working. Currently trying to cut and actually having to dial in my diet has been a bit of a chore. Lifting hard and eating big is easy... At leat until the heat comes and I'm outside working in it all day. Gets a bit harder to get those calories then.

Cutting blows, but u got it...... when the heat comes remember McDonald's quarter pounder with cheese add mac sauce.. get two... got like 61 grams of protein between the two... really saves me to eat dirty when working in hot ass weather... other wise I drop weight fast

 

[Roger rabbit]

It all confuses me a bit too. I was put on trt even though my total was an acceptable number 269. My free t was 3.6. My shbgs was something like 56 which I believe to be the main component binding my test up.

Edit: Even on test with my total being low to mod 600s in my trough my free t was 9.7 last time it was checked. Still not close to optimal.

This is exactly what I was speaking of.

Imagine if your free test wasn't bound up, as in you shbg was lower, when your free test raises your total would lower, then your test would not be acceptable. You would have the same end result, which would be trt.

 

[Usmc88]

Ok so, I'm interested now as much as i should've been before i started my cycle lol but anyways, @Roger rabbit i think what's confusing the guy that's confused (forgot who it was not scrolling up to see lol) is how the body is using the testosterone. I will have to study myself but if I'm understanding correctly it gets metabolized as in if you did one shot of 250 and say hypothetically you're already suppressed fully and well say you get up to 2500 ng/dl at 24hrs. Now let's look at free test. You're saying free test its what your body is using out of the total test. The best comparison i can come up with is total test being gas in the tank by looking at the gas gauge while free test is a snap shot of the amount of gas flowing through the injectors at the time of blood draw. So say at 48 hrs you come in at 2000 ng/dl while free test is 40. Forgive me, free test numbers are beyond me i haven't been around or studied enough to know actual relativity just going off what one guy said the cap was at 50. So carrying on, if you came in at 1600 tt with free test >50 am i wrong in assuming its like injectors at 7lbs/hr vs 21lbs/hr? Again relativity is irrelevant just getting my point/comparison relayed. Now if I'm correct that would mean the same product batch and all could possibly deliver drastically different total test numbers depending on the person...how off base am I?

 

[Usmc88]

Damn that was longer than i expected...lol

 

[Deepwaters1987]

Cutting blows, but u got it...... when the heat comes remember McDonald's quarter pounder with cheese add mac sauce.. get two... got like 61 grams of protein between the two... really saves me to eat dirty when working in hot ass weather... other wise I drop weight fast

I do try to dirty it up to get the calories but I can't do McDonald's. Their chicken nuggets and some of their breakfast stuff is all I can stomach. Now taco bueno on the other hand... I can eat me some burritos lol

 

[Deepwaters1987]

This is exactly what I was speaking of.

Imagine if your free test wasn't bound up, as in you shbg was lower, when your free test raises your total would lower, then your test would not be acceptable. You would have the same end result, which would be trt.

Hmm. Not sure I completely agree but I see your point. I would think even if my total was 100 but 25 of that was free I would be at the very high end of optimal free t for my body to operate. I will also say that I don't see anyone having numbers like that with that low of a total t without proviron, mast, or something else freeing up the t which brings us back to trt lol I guess I could see someone having say my 269 with somewhere around 10 free t which would be enough for most men (I think) to function normally. I do know that below 9 free t they consider you to be eligible for trt. So even with my total coming in around 630-650 my free is still borderline for trt without something to boost it. All our bodies are so different. I feel fine with my free t being right at 10 but it's hard to hold on to the gains I've made on cycle at that which is why I'm planning on adding in low dose mast to see if that helps. Heck hopefully I can even make some slight gains, hopefully.

 

[T-Bagger]

You've obviously never tried it. Ask anyone who has it is far better with zero bloat

No bro, I haven't. Read up on it after your post. Seems to be Mast on steroids lol, if that makes sense. I definitely don't want the bloat, but shit - I'm running Dbol for my first time (because I stocked up on it) to see how bad it bloats me. I'll definitely be trying Sdrol on my next go around.

 

[Inquiring Mind]

I have been using mast but didn't get free test by accident on last labs. Next labs will have free t for sure. I plan on running some low dose mast when I start my cruise. I'll try to do labs to see how big of a difference it makes.

I just posted my bloods in the Lab Testing section, specifically for the Masteron. My SHBG was low and IGF-1 look good i suppose. I got my Free levels but the report only shows >50.

 

[Inquiring Mind]

McDonald's quarter pounder with cheese add mac sauce.

Got me drooling for Miki D's

 

[TRT]

Hmm. Not sure I completely agree but I see your point. I would think even if my total was 100 but 25 of that was free I would be at the very high end of optimal free t for my body to operate. I will also say that I don't see anyone having numbers like that with that low of a total t without proviron, mast, or something else freeing up the t which brings us back to trt lol I guess I could see someone having say my 269 with somewhere around 10 free t which would be enough for most men (I think) to function normally. I do know that below 9 free t they consider you to be eligible for trt. So even with my total coming in around 630-650 my free is still borderline for trt without something to boost it. All our bodies are so different. I feel fine with my free t being right at 10 but it's hard to hold on to the gains I've made on cycle at that which is why I'm planning on adding in low dose mast to see if that helps. Heck hopefully I can even make some slight gains, hopefully.

Free levels being 10? The range is 50-150 I thought. Then me free Test is WAY higher then that.
Correction. Just looked at my results. Your right

 

[Thegreek]

You've obviously never tried it. Ask anyone who has it is far better with zero bloat

IF Sdrol doesn't give a lot or zero bloat would you recommend that to kick off a summer cycle. My next go if all goes well with @thetsl products would be test tren mast. If no bloat you think sdrol would be a good kicker.

 

[T-Bagger]

Got me drooling for Miki D's

I can't find the OP where he suggested adding Mac sauce to a Quarter Pounder. Hell, just get the Giant Mac or whatever they call it!

Or go old school and get the Big Boy - the original Big Mac!

 

[T-Bagger]

IF Sdrol doesn't give a lot or zero bloat would you recommend that to kick off a summer cycle. My next go if all goes well with @thetsl products would be test tren mast. If no bloat you think sdrol would be a good kicker.

It seems that Sdrol is the route to go for no bloat. Dbol adds a ton of water weight. From what I've read, be careful on the dosing. Apparently it's as toxic or more to the liver than Dbol.

 

[G2Ready]

Got me drooling for Miki D's

Poor mans Big Mac --

 

[TRT]

IF Sdrol doesn't give a lot or zero bloat would you recommend that to kick off a summer cycle. My next go if all goes well with @thetsl products would be test tren mast. If no bloat you think sdrol would be a good kicker.

You can't take one person's word for it. Like me I've never gotten one estrogen related side effect and I never get "water bloat" even doing Insulin and Anadrol at a high dose. Not saying fish is wrong. I've heard plenty of people including my brother say it's hard lean mass. No water.

 

[T-Bagger]

You can't take one person's word for it. Like me I've never gotten one estrogen related side effect and I never get "water bloat" even doing Insulin and Anadrol at a high dose. Not saying fish is wrong. I've heard plenty of people including my brother say it's hard lean mass. No water.

I've come to realize Test gives me estrogen. Not to the point of gyno, but I retain water pretty bad. I'm hoping with some Adex, the Test & Dbol don't screw me too bad.

 

[Thegreek]

Never really used orals before. Used dbol as a preworkout for like two weeks. That's not really a good judge of it I guess. So far with very little anti e I don't really bloat but I really want to hit it hard this summer so I thought that might be a good way to start.