TSL LABS

[Deepwaters1987]

I can post data provided by my distributor. If I post them however, people will discredit it, and say it was falsely printed, or made up on Microsoft word, etc.

So logically , there is no winning. When bloods come back great, all is well. When one comes back low, it's oh no everything is bunk, underdosed, trash...

I personally would like to see you post those documents. You are right that there are thise who would say you made them or whatever. The more info you work to provide the more comfortable people will feel. I also just want to clarify I in no way think everyone would score the same on the same dose and wasn't implying that at all. Each person has to compare to pharma of that dose or if they don't have those to previous bloods to know where they should be.

 

[w1ck3d]

I personally would like to see you post those documents. You are right that there are thise who would say you made them or whatever. The more info you work to provide the more comfortable people will feel. I also just want to clarify I in no way think everyone would score the same on the same dose and wasn't implying that at all. Each person has to compare to pharma of that dose or if they don't have those to previous bloods to know where they should be.

If i recall correctly i think he posted one way way way back when he first started when somebody grilled him about his raws

 

[w1ck3d]

Here is a COA for you. Like I said, I get them upon request with every batch I purchase. I do not mind posting these, but I'm sure I'll hear it's faked, or shopped, etc.

All I can do is show you the facts, the ones who have been in this long enough will know the truth honestly and possibly will give us a try.

The product tested was anavar. It passed at 98.7% pure. No product is released unless it comforms and passes at a purity rate of 97%. Example: around a year ago I could not get npp for around 1.5 months because the raw being manufactured was not testing at 97%+, so until that was reached the product could not be sent out.

1st post of pg 16

 

[Sdryx]

Would absolutely love to. Have offered numerous times for guys to let me know where they are sending theirs off to be spec...

There is a certain member here who I believe does not post much but is power lifter. He's been a client of mine for a little while now, he informed me over email his coach sent some testosterone off for mass spec. And it came back with great numbers, but he did not share it in paper.

I emailed him and have inquired and even offered to send other items off and to pay for the testing.

So once again , if anyone has a connection on mass spec, please let me know.

Here lists that they test for anabolics. I'm sure if you contacted them they would accept your business ($$$).

http://www.labochemtox.com/en/analyses

Maybe @mands can chime in and let us know if there's a way we can facilitate this with Chemtox or some other lab. I don't know of any other member directly involved in testing...

Some labs here offer consumers with doubts of a product the opportunity to send in an unopened vial themselves for testing and be reimbursed the costs.

Also, if you do have the test results from your source, I think some members may still be interested in seeing them. The possibility remains that they will not be believed but it will still be better than nothing. The consumer can then make their informed decision.

I've seen less then great lab results and consumers are still happy just because they have peace of mind of what they are injecting into their bodies.

The wildest thing is, the most quiet guys here, the ones who compete at very high levels in their respected sports and utilize the anabolics for a specific purpose are not hell bent on TT numbers, or anything of that sort. Many of my personal friends who compete only do bloods for health reasons. Their sitting at 270 with abs in the off season, having sex 3 times per day, repping 405 for 12 reps, feeling amazing. The last thing they are worried about is if they did not score a 4200 on 500mg pinned 46 hours prior because if they scored let's say a 3300, all of their gains would be diminished, their libido would crash and they would just be devastated.............

To me it has less to do with the numbers and me being anal about it. It has to do with the fact that my body is sacred. We are trusting you to inject your oils into our bodies and that should be respected.

 

[CdnGuy]

If anyone here thinks total testosterone numbers should be the same for everyone, they are very uneducated as a whole. Read around some, check out other forums besides meso, look at posts from MPA regarding his pharma testosterone he had tested at 200mg per week landed him in the 400s, etc...

So 200 mg at 400's....huh

As for the bloods I can see your point but let's say a member is running 500mg of your test and bloods came back showing a TT of 900. Would the member be out of luck? You ask customers to take your word and buy from you, would you take a members word for bad blood tests.

Absolutely bad bloods my friend..... 900 should be that more of a 200-250mg a week dosing routine depending on the last pin compared to the draw of blood, users age a bit and also the individuals response.The last two tested were less than one month ago, both running nearly 500mg, one on cypionate scored I believe 3800 TT, pretty sure his draw was 48 hours after his last 250mg injection. The other was 4242 TT on 500mg test enanthate , 48 hour draw after the last 250mg pin as well.

 

[Just Fish]

Use the spike of insulin to your benefit.

Here is an example of what and how i purposely spike my insulin.

Eat a meal before working out. Low glycemic food. Mainly protein only. About 1 hour before and some veggies. ( for vital nutrients)

Then like 10 minutes before my workout I'll use a product called karbolyn ( fast acting carbs ) I'll use 100 grams. Wow! That sounds crazy! I know right. But let's think for a second.

What is the job of insulin? To shuttle nutrients etc to where they need to go.

So when I'm working out my insulin is spike, I have protein floating in body, I'm drinking my aminos and ate those nice veggies for nutrients... where do you think that insulin spike is shuttling all that too?

And what do I do after working out? Still utilizing my insulin spike and immediately slamming down 75-100 grams of protein shake.

There are other ways to manipulate your insulin to your benefit, this is just one example.

So, am I afraid of insulin spike? Nope! Not when I am in control of it.

I eat very minimal carbs but post workout is when I do for reasons you stated. I've been using Gatorade during workouts I may have to try that karbolyn

 

[Just Fish]

The wildest thing is, the most quiet guys here, the ones who compete at very high levels in their respected sports and utilize the anabolics for a specific purpose are not hell bent on TT numbers, or anything of that sort. Many of my personal friends who compete only do bloods for health reasons. Their sitting at 270 with abs in the off season, having sex 3 times per day, repping 405 for 12 reps, feeling amazing. The last thing they are worried about is if they did not score a 4200 on 500mg pinned 46 hours prior because if they scored let's say a 3300, all of their gains would be diminished, their libido would crash and they would just be devastated.............

You have been set up here at meso for months for free. WHY HAVE YOU NOT DONATED TO ANABOLICLAB? Even hammer donated to them for fucks sake. That is just pathetic. I will bring this up over and over until I see proof of a very large donation.

 

[Maj1979]

I just got signed up as the rep for all day you may. Fairlife dumped my rep status. Didn't meet quota this last month [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

I've used his organ defender stuff. On the fence about it.

 

[Ripped]

You got me... still the fairlife rep. Just didn't think it would look good shilling for two places at once. I'm just a whore[emoji30]

I saw you guys talking about fairlife had to try it now I'm hooked best milk hands down thanks.

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[Throwback]

First off, I do not get tags. I do not know how they work or where to even view I was being tagged in something, hence the reason I've never replied to a tag..

Secondly, the two you just tagged Me in were COMPLETELY different tests. One guy pinned 1/2cc twice per week for a total of 250mg. He drew bloods 3 days after and got his score. The 2nd one pinned 750mg, and pulled his bloods I believe 6-7 days after to get his score.

So, when you post 750mg scores 1264, you fail to mention last pin dates to draw dates....

I just pulled 1300tt....6 days after last pin of 200mg of a competirors test e.
So you think 1200 6 days after 750mg pin is good?

 

[Throwback]

I've never discredited anyone. I've never posted any personal bloods, nor ever asked anyone to post their own bloods. The only person I've discredited here I posted his lies for everyone to see, that was the only person I dismissed his results , because In reality, he was lying.

Really....about what?
I did EVERYTHING that i said i would...and then posted the bloods. The FACT is your fucking test e is underdosed u fucking idiot.
There are 3 very well respected members on a private conversation with me from the first pin of that cycle.
You also were part of that conversation off and on.....I did the private conversation EXACTLY for this reason....SO THERE WOULD BE A RECORD OF HOW YOUR GEAR PERFORMED AND OF ANY ADJUSTMENTS OR CONCERNS THAT CAME UP.
EVERYTHING WAS FINE WITH YOU TILL REAL BLOOD NUMBERS CAME BACK AND YOU GOT QUESTIONED.
I have always said that i was happy with the results....the best cycle since the first etc.
I also said i felt like it was due to the tren e and dbol NOT the test e.
So......because i questioned your product Im a liar....
The 2 guys that ran side by side and back to back comparisons to their pharma gear now dont count either...WHEN YOUR CYP CAME IN AT HALF THE TOTAL TEST NUMBERS OF THE EXACT SAME DOSING OF PHARMA.
WHAT THE FUCK IS ANYBODY EVEN DEALING WITH YOUR ARROGANT SIDE STEPPING BULLSHIT FOR.
There are plenty of other sources that actually have great turn around...great products....and offer excellent communication on Meso.
We dont need you here.....

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

I hate to say this but bloods are not the end all be all AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE.

Meso lead the way with testing protocols and they will get credit for this. Anabolic lab was a first of its kind. Even before that when i was new here we were all making sense of blood results and what they were supposed to stand for and learning to apply it to our use. Many ppl mistakenly believe in a 7-10x rule. That is not going to happen. It was never intended for that purpose. Blood testing protocol is individually sensitive so taking some one elses results and trying to directly apply it to YOU does not work. That explains the different results member to member. Even in myself i can see different results on the same damn batch the same damn pin schedule the same damn draw time. These are erratic numbers folks! They are not set in stone. And further i think anabolic lab has shown that the belief that alot of products are underdosed is false. That is backed by evidence! I dont know if this applies to THIS LAB or not but mass spec is the only way. Without that its all farts in the wind.

Just a few things i have learned. Sorry to shit on everyones parade

 

[MysticMac]

so just curious what can we do to get out of problem into solution?
I can send a unopened vial of test. maybe 2 to 3 samples max. it's i believe 150 a pop right? just this peaked my curious type of thinking what's in all my vials now ?
but I feel good.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

so just curious what can we do to get out of problem into solution?
I can send a unopened vial of test. maybe 2 to 3 samples max. it's i believe 150 a pop right? just this peaked my curious type of thinking what's in all my vials now ?
but I feel good.

Of course you could pay for it out of your own pocket. I wouldnt but others have in the past. No its not cheap and your out your bottles when you send them. Not real practical.
We used to have a couple well known members that provided mass spec testing but i dont think they do it any more. Alot of the solutions would be available to you locally but due to the fact its illegal to test an illegal substance most would not be on board with your venture for obvious risks with LE. Then you have to worry about genuine unbiased results coming from the person who WOULD test your AAS for you.

 

[thetsl]

Really....about what?
I did EVERYTHING that i said i would...and then posted the bloods. The FACT is your fucking test e is underdosed u fucking idiot.
There are 3 very well respected members on a private conversation with me from the first pin of that cycle.
You also were part of that conversation off and on.....I did the private conversation EXACTLY for this reason....SO THERE WOULD BE A RECORD OF HOW YOUR GEAR PERFORMED AND OF ANY ADJUSTMENTS OR CONCERNS THAT CAME UP.
EVERYTHING WAS FINE WITH YOU TILL REAL BLOOD NUMBERS CAME BACK AND YOU GOT QUESTIONED.
I have always said that i was happy with the results....the best cycle since the first etc.
I also said i felt like it was due to the tren e and dbol NOT the test e.
So......because i questioned your product Im a liar....
The 2 guys that ran side by side and back to back comparisons to their pharma gear now dont count either...WHEN YOUR CYP CAME IN AT HALF THE TOTAL TEST NUMBERS OF THE EXACT SAME DOSING OF PHARMA.
WHAT THE FUCK IS ANYBODY EVEN DEALING WITH YOUR ARROGANT SIDE STEPPING BULLSHIT FOR.
There are plenty of other sources that actually have great turn around...great products....and offer excellent communication on Meso.
We dont need you here.....

Actually , I've had more guys that their results came in higher than pharma, than lower than their pharma when compared. Funny also, the variables always change a bit also when doing comparisons. While doing controlled tests, although they are very crude, variables should remain the same, or the test is basically void.

If your running compound X, B, and Y along with your testosterone and pull bloods, but 16 weeks later you switch to a different brand of testosterone, and use compound A, E, and F along with your testosterone and yet the results differ, instantly the testosterone manufacturer is blamed.

I'm not arguing with you. You gained 20lbs and had the best cycle of your life on tren alone. Libido was amazing on a bigger dose of tren weekly than the testosterone you were taking, your free test was 9x higher than normal but your total was low, so the libido and free test must have came from the tren, as well as the 20 lbs inches of fat lost and muscle gained..

 

[thetsl]

Of course you could pay for it out of your own pocket. I wouldnt but others have in the past. No its not cheap and your out your bottles when you send them. Not real practical.
We used to have a couple well known members that provided mass spec testing but i dont think they do it any more. Alot of the solutions would be available to you locally but due to the fact its illegal to test an illegal substance most would not be on board with your venture for obvious risks with LE. Then you have to worry about genuine unbiased results coming from the person who WOULD test your AAS for you.

That is just it...... there are so many variables that would go into it. AND, not to mention people could say the results were tampered with, even if posted on a piece of paper.

Lots of guys say they have a place they can use for testing until it comes time for it, and they vanish. If the supplier were to send them to be tested, he would be ridiculed for "making a good batch to be tested" if a member sent them in, he would be called a phony if the results came back positive, a "concerned member" if they came back sub par. So basically there is absolutely no winning here now.

Like you said gr8white, many guys are not experienced enough to feel the differences in their bodies throughout a cycle, much less the variations even in one vial. Many people do not understand how receptors play a very important role in this inside of the human body as well, or how it's based on how an individual's body converts testosterone. They base their results souly on crude blood tests of total testosterone numbers. Anyone who uses hormone specialists will tell you this is a very inaccurate way of measuring, but for some reason many still think it's the final verdict, sadly enough.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

That is just it...... there are so many variables that would go into it. AND, not to mention people could say the results were tampered with, even if posted on a piece of paper.

Lots of guys say they have a place they can use for testing until it comes time for it, and they vanish. If the supplier were to send them to be tested, he would be ridiculed for "making a good batch to be tested" if a member sent them in, he would be called a phony if the results came back positive, a "concerned member" if they came back sub par. So basically there is absolutely no winning here now.

Like you said gr8white, many guys are not experienced enough to feel the differences in their bodies throughout a cycle, much less the variations even in one vial. Many people do not understand how receptors play a very important role in this inside of the human body as well, or how it's based on how an individual's body converts testosterone. They base their results souly on crude blood tests of total testosterone numbers. Anyone who uses hormone specialists will tell you this is a very inaccurate way of measuring, but for some reason many still think it's the final verdict, sadly enough.

No one regardless of experience will ever have a definitive answer to potency thru "feel" alone. That is the biggest pot of piss. It will hold no water here.

 

[Sdryx]

so just curious what can we do to get out of problem into solution?
I can send a unopened vial of test. maybe 2 to 3 samples max. it's i believe 150 a pop right? just this peaked my curious type of thinking what's in all my vials now ?
but I feel good.

@MysticMac due to reasons that I'm sure you can understand... YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ASSIT WITH ANY TESTING EVER!!!!

That would compromise the legitimacy of the tests. We must have someone else considered if this is the road we go down.

 

[Just Fish]

Am I the only one that has a problem with this cocky fuck in our house making bank and blatantly disrespecting us by not having a gold banner? I want proof of a $1000 donation as a minimum

 

[thetsl]

No one regardless of experience will ever have a definitive answer to potency thru "feel" alone. That is the biggest pot of piss. It will hold no water here.

I firmly agree, however.....

If they are an experienced testosterone user, and their libido is up, having the normal water retention they would expect to see, have the overall feeling of being on testosterone, their free testosterone numbers are 7-9x that of within a normal range, but their total test is "low" compared to numbers developed by guys on forums, does that mean the testosterone is underdosed, and not up to par??

I understand there are ranges, without a doubt i do believe blood testing does have its place, but to be souly set on total testosterone numbers is not the most accurate way of determining the overall quality of the product. That's my opinion however, but it's based on actual science as well, not numbers made up on a forum by members.