Testing IGF-1 levels on Black Top Meditrope

[BigAli]

Batch 19 was also 3 iu's a day?

mands

I just reviewed my log. Actually my reading last time was 644 and I posted it here. I started with 1iu/day and worked it all the way to the 4iu and tested after almost 60 days. But this time I started from 3iu/day and tested after 40days. I increased the dose to 4iu/day yesterday and will test in 20 days. Will post the results here.

 

[stevonov]

how long would one wait to test igf1 levels after switching from batch 19 to 25 to ensure was strictly results from 25? that's the one good thing about serum you can immediately do a comparison.

 

[Roco Bama]

how long would one wait to test igf1 levels after switching from batch 19 to 25 to ensure was strictly results from 25? that's the one good thing about serum you can immediately do a comparison.

30 days. Keep us updated bro. I suppose batch 25 is some of the latest ones. Let us know once you get the igf test results

 

[mands]

how long would one wait to test igf1 levels after switching from batch 19 to 25 to ensure was strictly results from 25? that's the one good thing about serum you can immediately do a comparison.

2 weeks should be sufficient and plenty of time.

mands

 

[Doug_S]

I switched from sermorelin to meditrope batch 23. After 30 days I had bloods taken. Baseline is igf-1 140. I will get results on Tuesday. I did not take a dose in the AM of blood day, so 24 hours after last injection.

 

[TRT]

How many ius?

 

[Doug_S]

How many ius?

Just 2 ius a day. This is my first time on any HGH so I want to start low. I mixed at 13 IU per vial based upon the previous Mass spec and AA assays.

My wife is taking 1 IU a day. We are using for anti aging - fat loss. In conjunction with intermittent fasting, a calorie restriction to about 75% basal, and carb restriction to about 50 grams a day, in just 30 days the fat loss has been impressive. I am down two belt notches this month. I am curious to see my results. I will post tomorrow evening after my Dr. appointment

 

[nervje]

Very curious, cant wait for your levels!

 

[Doug_S]

So results...

Igf-1 was 300 on the nose from a baseline of 140. It had been almost 30 hours since my last injection of 1 IU.

Overall I am very pleased with the Blacktops. I achieved almost 100 PT rise per IU which is very good.

 

[DragoT]

@Doug_S

What is your current weight?

 

[Doug_S]

@Doug_S

What is your current weight?

I am 265 lbs and about 18% bf. I am big, like size 13 ring and 7 7/8 hat even though I am only 5 ft 11. Before my injuries I routinely benched 405 for five sets of five raw. I never touched gear or HGH. These are all first for me.
I started trt about a year ago. I was reading your post above. Are you also taking Blacktops? I have batch 23. Just ordered two.more kits after getting my labs.

 

[DragoT]

No Sir,

I do my own thing with HGH. Anyhow, this is why I ask:

This is interesting study (1000 people sample) evaluating effect of HGH over IGF-1 levels https://totalhormonegenetherapy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/1000_manstudy.pdf

Read the following statements:

1. ...Recombinant human growth hormone 0.06 to 0.12 IU/KG / week was self administered...
2. ...The mean increase in plasma IGF-1 levels for men was roughly 75 ng/Ml per month...

***Note: HGH used was Genotorpin (Pharma grade)

So... based on findings and conclusions in the study, since you are 120kg, your amount per injection should be 7.2IU to 14.4IU per week and this amount would have raised your baseline with 75 points / ng/Ml (assuming you are average responder).

You are doing 2IU/day (14IU per week) - you should see raise of 75ng/Ml and not 160.

If I am you, I would like to know what I am shooting up in my ass

 

[Doug_S]

No Sir,

I do my own thing with HGH. Anyhow, this is why I ask:

This is interesting study (1000 people sample) evaluating effect of HGH over IGF-1 levels https://totalhormonegenetherapy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/1000_manstudy.pdf

Read the following statements:

1. ...Recombinant human growth hormone 0.06 to 0.12 IU/KG / week was self administered...
2. ...The mean increase in plasma IGF-1 levels for men was roughly 75 ng/Ml per month...

***Note: HGH used was Genotorpin (Pharma grade)

So... based on findings and conclusions in the study, since you are 120kg, your amount per injection should be 7.2IU to 14.4IU per week and this amount would have raised your baseline with 75 points / ng/Ml (assuming you are average responder).

You are doing 2IU/day (14IU per week) - you should see raise of 75ng/Ml and not 160.

If I am you, I would like to know what I am shooting up in my ass

Well, I am going to trust mands Amino Acid Assay and go with the possibility that I am not an average responder. Really, what other choice is there other than pharmacy stuff? To be honest, I would trust the authenticity of tested UGL HGH from known suppliers more than pharmacy stuff from unknown.

However, as a scientist myself, who loves stats, remember the mean is not always the best indicator.

I have also done a few things like intermittent fasting and high protein, low carb which can also incfluence the levels. So theoretically I am a bad test subject because I changed multiple variables.

Also, did you notice they stated differences in laboratory reports varied by 100 ng based upon method? There is a physician on the web who claims 1 IU = 100ng rise for pharmacy grade. My results would be similar.

I must admit I was surprised to see such high results.

 

[DragoT]

...If I am you, I would like to know what I am shooting up in my ass...

This was a joke, man, relax Or... was it?

First, I have to say I am even happier than you because the one I am using raised mine with ...74 ng/Ml (2IU split) which tells me it is exactly 3.3mg per 10IU vial i.e. although generic, it is equivalent of Pharma 1:1

Your brand is either ~6mg per 10IU vial or the Chinese made another breakthrough without telling the world...

I can go in more details, but don't want to piss bunch of people before go to bed

 

[Doug_S]

...If I am you, I would like to know what I am shooting up in my ass...

This was a joke, man, relax Or... was it?

First, I have to say I am even happier than you because the one I am using raised mine with ...74 ng/Ml (2IU split) which tells me it is exactly 3.3mg per 10IU vial i.e. although generic, it is equivalent of Pharma 1:1

Your brand is either ~6mg per 10IU vial or the Chinese made another breakthrough without telling the world...

I can go in more details, but don't want to piss bunch of people before go to bed

Actually that could be part of it. They are supposed to be 15 IU vial, but based upon AAA saying 13, that is how I reconstituted.

Pissing people off is fine. Some people even get paid to do it

 

[DragoT]

Ha ha. I am making more than enough for doing what I do for living. I guess I've missed the part it is marked as 15IU / vial. Now it makes sense.

Good comeback, thou

 

[DragoT]

...However, as a scientist myself, who loves stats...

I guess I owe you an explanation. I personally am more scared to pin a substance that is non-compliant with the standards of purity than under-dosed one. This is why I definitely want to invest in lab testing. Consider this - if the purity is 70%, in case of HGH, will have 30% e-coli remains (i am not getting to the filler yet). So, to compensate to 100% functional substance, one must increase the amount of raw substance (HGH + contaminates) with X% (too tired to do the math) to achieve the goal, which would lead to overall increase of contaminates. The a filler is added for appearance.

Now, this is from scientific point of view.

I am not questioning the quality nor purity of the widely popular brands from what appears to be reputable sources. Been doing my research for too long and i guess I wanted to share what I have learned.

 

[Roco Bama]

No Sir,

I do my own thing with HGH. Anyhow, this is why I ask:

This is interesting study (1000 people sample) evaluating effect of HGH over IGF-1 levels https://totalhormonegenetherapy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/1000_manstudy.pdf

Read the following statements:

1. ...Recombinant human growth hormone 0.06 to 0.12 IU/KG / week was self administered...
2. ...The mean increase in plasma IGF-1 levels for men was roughly 75 ng/Ml per month...

***Note: HGH used was Genotorpin (Pharma grade)

So... based on findings and conclusions in the study, since you are 120kg, your amount per injection should be 7.2IU to 14.4IU per week and this amount would have raised your baseline with 75 points / ng/Ml (assuming you are average responder).

You are doing 2IU/day (14IU per week) - you should see raise of 75ng/Ml and not 160.

If I am you, I would like to know what I am shooting up in my ass

HGH shuts down natural GH production. Baseline igf level while using rHGH will climb down to the bottom after a month or 2 at most. Did you pull bloods after you switched to 4ius daily. I think you are getting 75~85ng per iu (not 35ng) on the brand you're taking.

 

[Just Fish]

...If I am you, I would like to know what I am shooting up in my ass...

This was a joke, man, relax Or... was it?

First, I have to say I am even happier than you because the one I am using raised mine with ...74 ng/Ml (2IU split) which tells me it is exactly 3.3mg per 10IU vial i.e. although generic, it is equivalent of Pharma 1:1

Your brand is either ~6mg per 10IU vial or the Chinese made another breakthrough without telling the world...

I can go in more details, but don't want to piss bunch of people before go to bed

Everyone is affected by drugs differently. Someone could use the exact same batch that you are using and have completely different results. You could take the same dosage of pharm grade hgh and get a way higher or lower result then your generic that you think is a 1:1 pharm equivalent because of a theory. If your theory makes you happy good for you, ignorance is bliss. Don't go around telling people that your hgh is better or that there is something wrong with their hgh because you believe some half ass theory.

 

[Just Fish]

Ha ha. I am making more than enough for doing what I do for living. I guess I've missed the part it is marked as 15IU / vial. Now it makes sense.

Good comeback, thou

If you make so much money, why are you using generics and searching an steroid forum for help? SMH

...If I am you, I would like to know what I am shooting up in my ass...

There are doctors in every state the prescribe hgh for just about anything. You could be getting your hgh directly from the pharmacy but you are here. Don't you want to know exactly what you are shooting into your ass or your wife's ass? SMH