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[Brolloks]

No shit you stupid mothefucker, thats what caber is for.
Where the fuck did I say that caber does not lower prolactin?
Keep your bro science theory to yourself clown!

So you've used it before?

 

[CdnGuy]

So you've used it before?

Oh hi Brolloks LOL

 

[Brolloks]

Actually it's not bro science. I've spoken to @dr.jim extensively about controlling e2 to control prolactin. There are plenty of studies done showing prolactin is controlled through regulation of estrogen.

There are plenty of threads on meso with dr jim explaining this in depth.

Caber is so dangerous I would never recommend this product with all the heart issues it can cause. This would be a last resort. Drug to take. Not one to just toss in casually to prevent something out of fear because the risk vs reward isn't worth it.

Links? Most studies I've read suggest prolactin is increased through a completely different pathway than the E2 receptors. I've had a few mates who were able to milk themselves despite E2 being well within the normal range.

Dr Jim is hardly an expert in my view, so I'll stick to what I've found effective. That said, I totally agree that chucking caber or prami down the hatch without having your prolactin checked via bloodwork is totally dumb, and that the less ancillaries you can get away with the better.

 

[Brolloks]

Oh hi Brolloks LOL

Hey mate. How's things?

 

[CdnGuy]

Ask me tmrw lmao good night

 

[Brolloks]

Ask me tmrw lmao good night

We're not all in your time zone, brother

 

[Roger rabbit]

Links? Most studies I've read suggest prolactin is increased through a completely different pathway than the E2 receptors. I've had a few mates who were able to milk themselves despite E2 being well within the normal range.

Dr Jim is hardly an expert in my view, so I'll stick to what I've found effective. That said, I totally agree that chucking caber or prami down the hatch without having your prolactin checked via bloodwork is totally dumb, and that the less ancillaries you can get away with the better.

The problem with caber is like what we both agree on, and like what the one member was about to do, " just toss it down the hatch" just because. It's not the right course to take.

But back to prolactin, sure it can happen in other routes, especially if one is taking drugs, that cause dopamine to lower since dopamine regulates prolactin. Another avenue that could happen is if you are taking different peptides that effect and can raise prolactin are thyrotropin-releasing hormone, oxytocin and several others.

So yes, you could potentially cause it to happen in another route, but the main factor is to control e2 because the other routes are so rare unless one is taking some type of drug to mess with pituitary gland, not to mention that thyroid under activity is another main cause ( and this is why you see more of this happen when people use tren) as some believe it Messes with your thyroid, but instead of caber, if the cause was thyroid issue established by a blood test, then the better route would be to get your thyroid back to normal versus using a drug that causes so many heart issues.

 

[Brolloks]

The problem with caber is like what we both agree on, and like what the one member was about to do, " just toss it down the hatch" just because. It's not the right course to take.

But back to prolactin, sure it can happen in other routes, especially if one is taking drugs, that cause dopamine to lower since dopamine regulates prolactin. Another avenue that could happen is if you are taking different peptides that effect and can raise prolactin are thyrotropin-releasing hormone, oxytocin and several others.

So yes, you could potentially cause it to happen in another route, but the main factor is to control e2 because the other routes are so rare unless one is taking some type of drug to mess with pituitary gland, not to mention that thyroid under activity is another main cause ( and this is why you see more of this happen when people use tren) as some believe it Messes with your thyroid, but instead of caber, if the cause was thyroid issue established by a blood test, then the better route would be to get your thyroid back to normal versus using a drug that causes so many heart issues.

Completely agreed - and thanks for the extensive response. My concern is that all the studies were done on women, who probably have many more progesterone sensitive estrogen receptors than we do.

This seems quite convincing though: Prolactin-sensitive neurons express estrogen receptor-α and depend on sex hormones for normal responsiveness to prolactin. - PubMed - NCBI

 

[G2Ready]

Problem is most guys don't say oh shit I'm shooting milk out my titties here's my blood work.. what can I Do....

It's usually the people that don't get blood work and say "I control my E2" by guessing at doses.... Ai and e2 is by far the hardest to control especially on tren.... cause tren (at least me) gives me a 24/7 libido.. hard to guess what e2 is doing...

As Dr Jim pointed out With all the people that have had this prolactin problem while controlling e2 where is one single blood work? Just One? Because if your controlling e2 there should have surely been bw.

That's why I like the Low dose Test high tren... and tren a instead of tren e... abort fast if needed

Edit: and by all means have it on DECK NOT IN THE MIX especially if ur prone to gyno in the first place (e2 sensitive)

 

[Brolloks]

Love these discussions, even though it sometimes appears that some of us are attempting to be smartarses.

Elevated E2 and progesterone levels prevent pregnant women from lactating, so perhaps the only reason some dudes have problems on 19nors is because they take too many AIs

Personally, I've only had mediocre results from tren and deca cycles until I introduced caber. Since then, it's a measured part of my stack, with substantially improved results at reduced dosages. The only side-effects I've suffered to date are a compulsion to buy shit online and massive boners.

 

[Horimono]

I appreciate the replay...2 weeks in I expect you would have felt it by now...if I'm not mistaken people use such orals as kick starters in anticipation of Test to manifest...

What dose are you running the Tbol?

Are you kick starting or breaking plateau?

I'd certainly be interested in hearing your update...

I'm taking 50mg once daily at night. I wish the caps were 25mg so I could split the doses. Although, I've read the half life is fairly long (like >12hrs) so once daily may suffice. I've also read taking more than 50-60mg doesn't make a big difference compared to just 50mg. But everyone is different. Although I am gonna take 50mg in am and pm for a week or so and see how I respond.

I do agree most people run them at the beginning of a cycle in anticipation of Test kicking in. However, I feel they can be taken whenever the individual wants. I am taking them to kinda break a plateau. I was taking his Dbol for 4-5 weeks a few months ago. I gained 2-3lbs and looked fuller but definitely didn't get the effects others have said they get on Dbol. I wanted to try Tbol and compare the differences. I had BW done prior to starting the Tbol. Everything was WNL (no LDL/HDL) done as I wasn't fasting.

If you read back at some of my earlier posts you will see I have had bad luck with orals. As far as positive effects. Dbol from another lab sucked. I wish I could get some pharma grade Dbol (I know this is not possible) or some fucking blue hearts or whatever bros took back in the day that was amazing. I did have a friend here in town offer me some pharma grade Tbol (in original bottle) from Pakistan or some other towel head country. It was $150 for a bottle. Can't recall the strength or qt now, but already had this Tbol enroute so I passed. Wish I would have bought it now.

 

[Brolloks]

I'm taking 50mg once daily at night. I wish the caps were 25mg so I could split the doses. Although, I've read the half life is fairly long (like >12hrs) so once daily may suffice. I've also read taking more than 50-60mg doesn't make a big difference compared to just 50mg. But everyone is different. Although I am gonna take 50mg in am and pm for a week or so and see how I respond.

I do agree most people run them at the beginning of a cycle in anticipation of Test kicking in. However, I feel they can be taken whenever the individual wants. I am taking them to kinda break a plateau. I was taking his Dbol for 4-5 weeks a few months ago. I gained 2-3lbs and looked fuller but definitely didn't get the effects others have said they get on Dbol. I wanted to try Tbol and compare the differences. I had BW done prior to starting the Tbol. Everything was WNL (no LDL/HDL) done as I wasn't fasting.

If you read back at some of my earlier posts you will see I have had bad luck with orals. As far as positive effects. Dbol from another lab sucked. I wish I could get some pharma grade Dbol (I know this is not possible) or some fucking blue hearts or whatever bros took back in the day that was amazing. I did have a friend here in town offer me some pharma grade Tbol (in original bottle) from Pakistan or some other towel head country. It was $150 for a bottle. Can't recall the strength or qt now, but already had this Tbol enroute so I passed. Wish I would have bought it now.

With great respect, this is a very odd post bro. Your potential to grow from a gear perspective solely depends on you hormone levels. Most of us run cycles that are massively excessive in this regard. Popping a few more pills won't push you past a plateau at all. Rather clean up your diet, rest more, or train harder. It's quite simple.

 

[Horimono]

With great respect, this is a very odd post bro. Your potential to grow from a gear perspective solely depends on you hormone levels. Most of us run cycles that are massively excessive in this regard. Popping a few more pills won't push you past a plateau at all. Rather clean up your diet, rest more, or train harder. It's quite simple.

Of course you are entitled to your own opinion and I surely respect that. You don't know what my diet and training are like so how can you suggest something different?

And are you really suggesting that if I have been on a 12 wk blast on Test and wanted to break a plateau by taking 4-5 weeks of an additional compound to increase my strength and hormone levels, I'm not gonna respond?

I'm doing exactly what you claim in your post : Your potential to grow from a gear perspective solely depends on you hormone levels. Most of us run cycles that are massively excessive in this regard.

 

[Brolloks]

Of course you are entitled to your own opinion and I surely respect that. You don't know what my diet and training are like so how can you suggest something different?

And are you really suggesting that if I have been on a 12 wk blast on Test and wanted to break a plateau by taking 4-5 weeks of an additional compound to increase my strength and hormone levels, I'm not gonna respond?

I'm doing exactly what you claim in your post : Your potential to grow from a gear perspective solely depends on you hormone levels. Most of us run cycles that are massively excessive in this regard.

You are spot on bro - I've absolutely no clue what your cycle looks like or how you train, and my response was entirely general.

However, my statement remains - if you believe your plateau was due to a lack of compounds, I'm happy to suggest that you're fooling yourself.

Also, if your avi is a recent representation of your progress, you should rather focus on diet than gear.

 

[Horimono]

You are spot on bro - I've absolutely no clue what your cycle looks like or how you train, and my response was entirely general.

However, my statement remains - if you believe your plateau was due to a lack of compounds, I'm happy to suggest that you're fooling yourself.

Also, if your avi is a recent representation of your progress, you should rather focus on diet than gear.

Shit. You're crazy bro. That's not a recent pic. However, I was in great shape then and had low body fat. Now you are just insulting me for the sake of it. I wasn't even on gear then dick head.

 

[Brolloks]

Shit. You're crazy bro. That's not a recent pic. However, I was in great shape then and had low body fat. Now you are just insulting me for the sake of it. I wasn't even on gear then dick head.

If I was trying to insult you I'd make jokes about you chugging dols before bed. My advice was sincere, but I'll let @CdnGuy apologise if it came across wrong.

 

[Thegreek]

Been on a test deca cycle for a while now and I'm coming to the end. Last few weeks I've upped the dose just to finish the gear and can feel a small lump behind the nips and they are sensitive. Very slightly puffy. Haven't used a whole lot anti e because I was also taking mast e. I think it's starting to catch up to me but I don't want to crash my estrogen with letro. I've done this in the past and it sucks. Started taking adex .25 eod thinking about going to ed. So on the subject of estrogen and prolactin do you guys think I can get this under control with just the adex. I have two weeks left and I really don't want to pull the plug.

 

[PuddlePiratePunk]

Been on a test deca cycle for a while now and I'm coming to the end. Last few weeks I've upped the dose just to finish the gear and can feel a small lump behind the nips and they are sensitive. Very slightly puffy. Haven't used a whole lot anti e because I was also taking mast e. I think it's starting to catch up to me but I don't want to crash my estrogen with letro. I've done this in the past and it sucks. Started taking adex .25 eod thinking about going to ed. So on the subject of estrogen and prolactin do you guys think I can get this under control with just the adex. I have two weeks left and I really don't want to pull the plug.

Unless you can manage to get some asin. Through research seems that'll it'll control it a lot better. But I'm also fat and had gyno since I was 12 so I don't care about my moobies

 

[Thegreek]

I have aromasin but it's part of my pct. don't want to dip into it till I start pct. also sorry I was wrong about my adex dose it's .5 eod going to .5 ed.

 

[Usmc88]

Been on a test deca cycle for a while now and I'm coming to the end. Last few weeks I've upped the dose just to finish the gear and can feel a small lump behind the nips and they are sensitive. Very slightly puffy. Haven't used a whole lot anti e because I was also taking mast e. I think it's starting to catch up to me but I don't want to crash my estrogen with letro. I've done this in the past and it sucks. Started taking adex .25 eod thinking about going to ed. So on the subject of estrogen and prolactin do you guys think I can get this under control with just the adex. I have two weeks left and I really don't want to pull the plug.

I didnt get bw til after i started adex but before i took it i was emotional as fuck and damn near suicidal for weeks and adex did the trick. Took it for a week before bw. 1mg first day half mg next 3 days then quarter next 3 before blood draw and then quarter eod for next 5 days and stopped taking it and have had no issues since