Hawkins
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You have a tens unit? Have you been stretching and pumping them up?
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[Pharmacom] Test-E/T-bol cycle [09Nov17]
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You have a tens unit? Have you been stretching and pumping them up?
Meanstreetscleansheets
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Hey everyone sorry about being MIA, coming to the end of week 7 now and lifes been crazy lately. I waited for a chill time to start and low and behold shit always comes out of the wood work, but long story short gonna start wearing a boot for the shin stuff, could be possible hairline, lifts have been solid, weight has kinda stalled, but my nutritions been off as well. Weight is 212.8 on empty stomach in am. Lifts all still up and good. Going to lift later and add some numbers.
Hawkins
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Still dealing with the shin issue? Shin splints suck. You can wrap the piss out of them with an ace wrap. I've seen trainers tape the lower leg but never seemed to help me. Might give it a shot. I'd do anything to not wear a boot... Heat made mine feel instantly better if you need quick relief.
Meanstreetscleansheets
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Yeah im going to start icing them in ice water. Also having random right nipple pain? Left is fine. Gyno? Or?
Hawkins
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Hard to say. Have you had any blood work done recently?
Meanstreetscleansheets
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Nope just had my mind other places recently. So i will probabaly get some done soon
Hawkins
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Hard to say without blood work... Then you can make an informed decision.
Meanstreetscleansheets
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Hello all, just an update on stuff.
Current weight in am: 218.8
Current bench: 275, 4x4
Incline: 245, 3x5
Decline:285, 4x5
Pulling BW in most every back exercise
Lat pulldown: 200, 4x6
BB rows: 225, 4x5
Cable row: 220 4x8
Legs have been limited due to damage sustained from before cycle i believe.
Bloods should be posted in the next few days. Nips still sore, but been taking adex daily and it hasnt gotten worse, im just tired. Also started HCG last week @250iu bi weekly. Any questions or input just lemme know.
Current weight in am: 218.8
Current bench: 275, 4x4
Incline: 245, 3x5
Decline:285, 4x5
Pulling BW in most every back exercise
Lat pulldown: 200, 4x6
BB rows: 225, 4x5
Cable row: 220 4x8
Legs have been limited due to damage sustained from before cycle i believe.
Bloods should be posted in the next few days. Nips still sore, but been taking adex daily and it hasnt gotten worse, im just tired. Also started HCG last week @250iu bi weekly. Any questions or input just lemme know.
Meanstreetscleansheets
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Hawkins
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Liver enzymes can show elevated counts from weight training alone. My enzyme levels change from Monday to Friday. Friday showing higher counts from a weeks worth of training...
Meanstreetscleansheets
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Interesting to know. Theyre not super high so im not really concerned with it. Everything that is high makes sense for why its high, and everything else from my knowledge is where it should be, so im pretty satisfied eith the results.
Meanstreetscleansheets
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So for those who are learning as i am, my next step will be test ending on the 6th, I will have an extra week of HCG, so should i run that with an AI to boost test even though its going to drop? Wait 30 days and begin PCT of clomid @100ED for 3 weeks then 50ED for week? Been reading on pct and theres so much specualtion and difference of protocol, so id like some input.
Hawkins
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Don't take an AI. AIs don't boost testosterone. They prevent aromatization and do nothing for testosterone levels.
Remember, aromatization is the enzymatic process of "conversion" from test to estrogen. Your body "converts" at a given rate or percentage, so to speak. With less and less testosterone, you'll have less and less aromatization. With me?
Finish out the HCG and begin PCT as planned. 100mg of clomid is likely overkill, especially for 3 weeks. Some folks don't tolerate clomid well, especially higher doses. Do you have nolvadex too?
Remember, aromatization is the enzymatic process of "conversion" from test to estrogen. Your body "converts" at a given rate or percentage, so to speak. With less and less testosterone, you'll have less and less aromatization. With me?
Finish out the HCG and begin PCT as planned. 100mg of clomid is likely overkill, especially for 3 weeks. Some folks don't tolerate clomid well, especially higher doses. Do you have nolvadex too?
Hawkins
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Also, for future reference, your on cycle blood tests should be LC/MS/MS tests.
These show accurate high level testosterone counts. If you notice, your results simply show a testosterone count of >1500 ng/dl. Could be 1501 or 4000... But we don't know...Just handy knowing where a certain dose puts your blood levels.
These show accurate high level testosterone counts. If you notice, your results simply show a testosterone count of >1500 ng/dl. Could be 1501 or 4000... But we don't know...Just handy knowing where a certain dose puts your blood levels.
Meanstreetscleansheets
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Thanks, yeah you are correct, i guess just thought about having them done to make sure everything was in some decent range, and that the test was good, didnt think about the dose to test range. Also i dont have nolvedex, couldnt get any. Wouldnt be opposed to getting some just dont know a lab. Thanks for the input. I was thinking of keeping the AI if i ran HCG into the 30 day gap, since its supposed to help the testes reproduce on their own, but also would increase aromatization. However everyone seems to be against this, and science wise im not really sure why, short of it elongating the period before youd start pct?
Hawkins
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Yeah, the 30 day gap you mentioned is for the testosterone to clear your system. The aromatization caused by the HCG is minimal compared to the aromatization on cycle from test and HCG during the cycle. With test levels falling, less and less conversion is happening, the little from HCG should not cause any estrogen issues.
Pct is homeostasis trying to occur. Low estrogen from too much AI does not help this process.
Check this out. I think Mands is spot on...
https://thinksteroids.com/community...le-for-beginners-testosterone-only.134377650/
Meanstreetscleansheets
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Thanks for the link, good outline there. I get his outline, just have been reading and see there is more than one way to skin a cat. Neverthless i think i will just follow suit and maybe experiment more at a later date.
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Current update: i am 2 weeks into pct and am dropping slight weight. I maxed out at end of cycle at 223.6 in the AM, and am currently 217.3 in the AM. The nipple pain is gone since the first week of clomid @50mg/day. Other than that, strength and energy has obviously declined the last week before pct began i was sleeping like a rock and could for most the day if i let myself. Didnt expect that level of lethargy, but i am in the up-swing now and energy is building back. Will have labs done again, but not entirely sure when? So maybe some input there. Thanks!
Hawkins
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About a month after finishing pct.
