Is Dave Palumbo an idiot?

[Aces]

this is the mens health forum and this topic is relevent. Palumbo is supposed to be an expert and has a very informative you tube channel that many younger guys watch. Palumbo could be more honest and forthcoming which would really be an asset to those that view his channel.
Palumbo seems intelligent but also seems to perhaps have alterior motives. How the hell can Palumbo tell his viewers with a straight face that steroids werent the true reason for Dallas McCarvers death? How can he tell his viewers with a straight face the Rich Piana didnt die as a direct result of steroid use. He clearly implies that they were just unlucky amd genetics killed them.. yeah right!!!!
He claims the fact that Piana and McCarver weighed so much could have also killed them.. well Dave, how the hell did they gain all that weight??? Steroids. Without steroids they wouldnt be nearly as big and weigh nearly as much.
You claim all the plaque in their arteries was only genetic? C’mon give me a break, McCarver was only 26. Its a known fact that steroids cause plaque build up, thicken the blood, and also harden the arteries. They also raise LDL ( bad cholesterol) and lower HDL ( good cholesterol). Maybe he did have a genetic predispostion but the steroids made it a million times worse. Without steroids, Dallas would still be alive today.
Regarding heart enlargement, you claim its because they were athletes and athletes have naturally bigger hearts. Maybe normal athletes have slightlly larger hearts but certainly not to the degree of a steroid using bodybuilder. Again, give me a break!!!
How about that cardiologist you claim you talked to who you claim conceded to your opinion that Dallas died from bad genetics, not steroids. No cardiologist worth his salt would ever make such a false and misleading claim. Did he get his medical degree from the university of Albania?? Also, where did Palumbo go to medical school? He claims he went for a while but dropped out? Fine, what medical school was that.
Im sick and tired of semi intelligent people trying to take advantage of younger, uninformed, insecure kids. Do the majority of the supplements Palumbo sells cater to those that are using or coming off steroids???? Is that why he defends his drug of choice?
Sorry for the rant but its important.

 

[Eman]

I've actually found Palumbo to put out decent info with a certain harm reduction tone.

My only problem with him is going overboard on pushing some of his products... But honestly, the guy is trying to make a living in an industry that is extremely difficult to make a good living at, so it's to be expected that he'd try to sell his products... I just think he could do it with a little more class sometimes.

As far as Piana and McCarver... I'm not sure if I've seen all the videos, I'm guessing I didn't because I've not seen him make some of the statements you're repeating here.

With the info we have available, it seems pretty clear that McCarver in particular had a genetic predisposition to cardiovascular problems... Something that AAS absolutely doesn't mix with. I think Palumbo's stance that this combination killed Dallas is entirely accurate, he further went on to tell how viewers how to prevent this from happening to themselves by getting heart specific tests beyond bloodwork. Conversely, if steroids had directly killed him, we'd be seeing fatality after fatality... It's just not really the norm, it comes from a genetic condition mixed with compounds that aggravate it.

I also think you're overreaching in a few of your statements but I appreciate your candor in the name of harm reduction, even if some of it feels a bit misplaced.

 

[Xlgx]

The guy has a criminal record for selling bunk gear/hgh. That should tell you something about the type of person he really is. Even to a certain degree despite being a changed man etc. you get the picture ... lol

 

[Millard]

He claims the fact that Piana and McCarver weighed so much could have also killed them.. well Dave, how the hell did they gain all that weight??? Steroids. Without steroids they wouldnt be nearly as big and weigh nearly as much.
You claim all the plaque in their arteries was only genetic? C’mon give me a break, McCarver was only 26. Its a known fact that steroids cause plaque build up, thicken the blood, and also harden the arteries. They also raise LDL ( bad cholesterol) and lower HDL ( good cholesterol). Maybe he did have a genetic predispostion but the steroids made it a million times worse. Without steroids, Dallas would still be alive today.

You could just as easily say that "if he never weighed over 200 lbs, Dallas would still be alive today" while doing everything else just the same. That would probably even be more accurate. But that doesn't mean that steroids didn't necessarily play a role

The fact is that it is impossible to isolate a single-cause. To do so is probably a disservice to anyone who truly wants to prevent such tragedies in the future anyway. Yet many seem set on attributing it to one factor. Blaming it on steroids as a single-cause is convenient for those who seek to demonize AAS for political or moral reasons. Not so much for those interest in harm reduction.

 

[Eman]

The guy has a criminal record for selling bunk gear/hgh. That should tell you something about the type of person he really is. Even to a certain degree despite being a changed man etc. you get the picture ... lol

Him being charged with selling gear, or bunk gear, is news to me. He was caught selling counterfeit Serostim but, I tend to believe the consensus that he was reselling it being unaware it was bunk... So far as I know, it was not a widespread ring of selling fake GH and he MORE than paid the price for selling it. The fact that he saw in the inside of a jail cell at all is ridiculous.

 

[Millard]

Him being charged with selling gear, or bunk gear, is news to me. He was caught selling counterfeit Serostim but, I tend to believe the consensus that he was reselling it being unaware it was bunk... So far as I know, it was not a widespread ring of selling fake GH and he MORE than paid the price for selling it. The fact that he saw in the inside of a jail cell at all is ridiculous.

Yes. The indictment accused Palumbo of "intentionally traffic or attempt to traffic in goods and knowingly use a counterfeit mark on or in connection with such goods". However, Palumbo (with attorney Rick Collins as counsel) specifically stipulated that the court delete this allegation from the indictment before pleading guilty to conspiracy to unlawfully distribute human growth hormone.

 

[Aces]

Listen, Palumbo does make some good video’s but i dont believe for a second that he truly believes McCarver didnt die as a result of steroids. Palumbo isnt stupid, he knows the real reason McCarver and Piana died. If he wants to downplay the role steroids played, thats on him and its a disservice to his young viewers who believe the bs he says.
He(McCarver) took very high dosages for a long period of time and also put on an unnatural amount of bodyweight he never would or could of done without steroids.
I have a genetic predisposition for clogged arteries and high cholesterol, its in my family. If i took the amount of gear that both Piana and McCarver took, i would probably be dead as well. 26 year old men dont just die from high cholesterol. Steroids compounded the issue 20 fold. if you take large amounts of steroids for long periods of time it will cause a genetically predisposed guy to have big time issues. Even guys with no predisposition increase their risk of heart issues due to steroids.
How about Mike Matarazzo? Heart attack at a very young age and he even admitted it was due to steroids.
Steroids increase LDL, increase plaque, harden the arteries, and enlarge the heart more so than natural athletes. If Palumbo wants to keep asserting that Dallas McCarvers steroid use may only be one factor that COULD HAVE contributed to his genetically predisposd body, i have a bridge in the North Pole to sell you.
If you look at a lot of the guests he has on his show and some of the so called famous bodybuilders they reference, they talk about them using recreational drugs and having sex with transvestites. Its totally friggin sleazy. Pro bodybuilding is filled with sleazy, insecure, greedy, untrustworthy people. Then again, i dont think there is anyone more sleazy than that guy Tony Huge who goes to Thailand and admits having sex with transvestites. I am digressing, but bodybuilding is Much more sleazy than any other sport. Its kind of like the porn industry if you think about it.
I have no problem with T replacement and maybe some small cycles but to pretend the drug use that bodybuilders engage in isnt insane and dangerous is totally dishonest. Again, a lot of Palumbo’s viewers are young, naive, and impressionable. He could be a much better voice of reason.

 

[Eman]

Listen, Palumbo does make some good video’s but i dont believe for a second that he truly believes McCarver didnt die as a result of steroids. Palumbo isnt stupid, he knows the real reason McCarver and Piana died. If he wants to downplay the role steroids played, thats on him and its a disservice to his young viewers who believe the bs he says.
He(McCarver) took very high dosages for a long period of time and also put on an unnatural amount of bodyweight he never would or could of done without steroids.
I have a genetic predisposition for clogged arteries and high cholesterol, its in my family. If i took the amount of gear that both Piana and McCarver took, i would probably be dead as well. 26 year old men dont just die from high cholesterol. Steroids compounded the issue 20 fold. if you take large amounts of steroids for long periods of time it will cause a genetically predisposed guy to have big time issues. Even guys with no predisposition increase their risk of heart issues due to steroids.
How about Mike Matarazzo? Heart attack at a very young age and he even admitted it was due to steroids.
Steroids increase LDL, increase plaque, harden the arteries, and enlarge the heart more so than natural athletes. If Palumbo wants to keep asserting that Dallas McCarvers steroid use may only be one factor that COULD HAVE contributed to his genetically predisposd body, i have a bridge in the North Pole to sell you.
If you look at a lot of the guests he has on his show and some of the so called famous bodybuilders they reference, they talk about them using recreational drugs and having sex with transvestites. Its totally friggin sleazy. Pro bodybuilding is filled with sleazy, insecure, greedy, untrustworthy people. Then again, i dont think there is anyone more sleazy than that guy Tony Huge who goes to Thailand and admits having sex with transvestites. I am digressing, but bodybuilding is Much more sleazy than any other sport. Its kind of like the porn industry if you think about it.
I have no problem with T replacement and maybe some small cycles but to pretend the drug use that bodybuilders engage in isnt insane and dangerous is totally dishonest. Again, a lot of Palumbo’s viewers are young, naive, and impressionable. He could be a much better voice of reason.

I'm kind of wondering if you could have fit any more unqualified statements into this post lol... Wow.

Feel free to vent, I'm stepping out. You were never interested in a discussion, you just wanted to rant.

 

[Aces]

I dont believe my statements are unqualified at all.
Clearly put, Palumbo is intentionally downplaying the role steroids played in the deaths of both McCarver and Piana despite knowing full well that steroids enlarge the heart much more than a natural athlete, hardens the arteries, clogs arteries, damages the lining of the arteries, and increases LDL. Palumbo knows this.
I just dont get it.

 

[Xlgx]

Palumbo as you mentioned stated that Dallas had hereditary health issues. The use of those insane dosages for extended period of time exacerbated and accelerated his situation. End of story.

 

[Raven101]

Dave seems like a nice enough guy. I agree, he does seem to minimize the role steroids had in both Dallas and Rich’s deaths. There is no doubt their heart issues were severely impacted by steroid abuse with or without any genetic predisposition. I actually talked to my cardiologist about this while i was getting a stress test and we looked at a youtube video of both their autopsy results. He was convinced it was due to steroids. He also backd up what the OP stated regarding enlarged hearts. Many athletes can have somewhat of an enlarged heart, depending on the sport. However, a heart is much more enlarged and problematic with bodybuilders that use anabolic steroids and high doses of testosterone.
I have to side with my cardiologist on this. He was a football player and wrestler in college so he knows a thing or two about athletes and steroids.
If you look hard enough, you can probably find a doctor who claims the death of Dallas was only genetic and steroids only played a small part..lol