PWO Recipes - Noob question

picholas

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If I were to theoretically brew something like Frog Juice

TrNE 50mg + TNE 50mg + Dianabol 25mg + Anadrol 25mg

Would it make more sense to put all the raws together and brew it that way, or brew them individually and then combine the finished products.
 
All together

Also, not trying to start shit, but I don't see everyone's fascination with this blend. If you're not on both Drol and dbol, it's useless. You'll get enough out of the TNE and TrNE. being that you're also on tren. Otherwise it's also basically useless.

So to wrap it up, if you're not already on all of the substances in the blend, it's pointless to take it IME/IMO.
 
All together

Also, not trying to start shit, but I don't see everyone's fascination with this blend. If you're not on both Drol and dbol, it's useless. You'll get enough out of the TNE and TrNE. being that you're also on tren. Otherwise it's also basically useless.

So to wrap it up, if you're not already on all of the substances in the blend, it's pointless to take it IME/IMO.

I just want to try it. Shits and giggles.

See, I would assume with the various different melting points and from what I hear tren degrades in too high heat...that all the powders together at once wouldn't make sense?

Again I am so over my head here, I am just trying to understand why.
 
You could brew either way really. The heat just speeds up the process mainly, the solvents do the real work.

If you were to try to make it let the solvents sit in the powder for a while
 
You could brew either way really. The heat just speeds up the process mainly, the solvents do the real work.

If you were to try to make it let the solvents sit in the powder for a while

I've actually started just letting the powder sit in the solvents recently... Usually don't need any heat.

I agree with @theprodgicalson though... I don't get the hype. None of these are dosed high enough to make any sense. If you could brew 100mg/ml TNE and 50mg/ml anadrol... Then you're rocking and rolling.
 
If you could brew 100mg/ml TNE and 50mg/ml anadrol... Then you're rocking and rolling.

This sounds like something entirely more useful. Or either 100TNE/100TRNE, 100TNE/50TRNE.

Personally, if the source knows how to brew it, suspension is far better than no ester imo.
 
If you could brew 100mg/ml TNE and 50mg/ml Anadrol
I would give that a shot. The other pwo mentioned wouldn't be what I want, other than the trne. I'm good with about 35mg trne at a time, at the most. That stuff hits me hard for some reason. Need 100mg tne though
 
I would give that a shot. The other pwo mentioned wouldn't be what I want, other than the trne. I'm good with about 35mg trne at a time, at the most. That stuff hits me hard for some reason. Need 100mg tne though

I've actually never tried it, so that might be the only thing in the mix that's dosed correctly... I think 50mg does pack some punch?

Personally, if the source knows how to brew it, suspension is far better than no ester imo.

I've actually had the opposite experience... I've gotten much better results from TNE as compared to suspension. All things weren't exactly equal though in my comparison, the biggest thing was the PIP was just too much for me to handle with suspension... I have some that I just really don't want to use because I know it's going to kick my ass the next day.
 
This sounds like something entirely more useful. Or either 100TNE/100TRNE, 100TNE/50TRNE.

Personally, if the source knows how to brew it, suspension is far better than no ester imo.

Your post spawned another noob question, what is the difference between a suspension and a no ester?
 
I've actually never tried it, so that might be the only thing in the mix that's dosed correctly... I think 50mg does pack some punch?
I've never had a pump like I did on 50mg trne. Everytime I went that high I thought my skin was going to tear, almost an unimaginable pump. Uncomfortable and a hindrance no doubt. I still get a wild pump with a lower dose but it's manageable. I have no clue how I compare to the rest of the heard...
 
I've actually never tried it, so that might be the only thing in the mix that's dosed correctly... I think 50mg does pack some punch?



I've actually had the opposite experience... I've gotten much better results from TNE as compared to suspension. All things weren't exactly equal though in my comparison, the biggest thing was the PIP was just too much for me to handle with suspension... I have some that I just really don't want to use because I know it's going to kick my ass the next day.

While I have not tried TRNE, I did have some tren suspension a few years back at 50mg/ml. It was my favorite. It for sure will leave you with some pip though.

@picholas like icky said, suspension is in water and no water is in oil. The difference is the time it takes to kick it. Which honestly is fairly marginal. That and suspension rawr have to be micronized, since is just suspended in water and needs to not clog the pin.

No ester kick in is generally 60-90 minutes. Suspension is generally 15-30 minutes
 
Since I got you all in here one last noob question.

@Eman
@theprodgicalson
@ickyrica

After thinking it over, a TNE/Dbol blend would be all I am interested in making but I want to try to brew them individually first to see if I can get it to hold.

From my research

Dianabol 100ml @ 50mg/ml

I would use:
Dianabol 5g (5.6ml)
15%Guaiacol (15ml)
30% EO (30ml)
Grapeseed oil (29.4ml)
2% BA (2ml)
18% BB (18ml)

Does that look right?
 
Since I got you all in here one last noob question.

@Eman
@theprodgicalson
@ickyrica

After thinking it over, a TNE/Dbol blend would be all I am interested in making but I want to try to brew them individually first to see if I can get it to hold.

From my research

Dianabol 100ml @ 50mg/ml

I would use:
Dianabol 5g (5.6ml)
15%Guaiacol (15ml)
30% EO (30ml)
Grapeseed oil (29.4ml)
2% BA (2ml)
18% BB (18ml)

Does that look right?

I've never brewed either... But I would expect that to hold.

Personally, I'd prefer anadrol instead of dbol simply because anadrol hits harder pwo than dbol does, at least IME. Dbol tends to need to build up for a few days. But, if you're already running dbol then you'll be good.
 
I've never brewed either... But I would expect that to hold.

Personally, I'd prefer anadrol instead of dbol simply because anadrol hits harder pwo than dbol does, at least IME. Dbol tends to need to build up for a few days. But, if you're already running dbol then you'll be good.

Yeah I have a few balkan tabs my friend gave me he has left from his last run, but not enough to last 4-6 weeks, figured I could start with the orals and switch to the injections.
 
PWO nooby here!!

When making TrNE, do the bb and eo need to be very hot when added?

I know for TNE the solvents and carrier should be around 250 when bringing into solution.
 
@Iron Vett

"Will heating up my oil-based gear ruin/destroy/deactivate/kill/degrade the anabolic steroid within it?" or "will leaving my vial(s) in a hot car in the summer destroy the hormone?"

The answer is no, with one exception: Trenbolone. But I will explain that exception in a moment. It is common for many to heat their vials up over the stove top, with a blow dryer, or in some hot water prior to injection in order to reduce the viscosity of the oil in order to make the injection smoother, easier, and less painful. You can in fact bring nearly all oils to boiling point of water (100 degrees Celcius / 212 degrees Fahrenheit) and it will not "kill" the hormone. In fact, hormones cannot be "killed", as they are not living organisms (but I am just being nit-picky about terminology here). Regardless, the degradation point of most anabolic steroids is far beyond what you would typically heat it up to in a car on a hot summer day or prior to injection. Note that heating it up to boiling point prior to injection is excessive and unnecessary. Maybe a minute over the stove top is all that is needed. Remember, you just want to warm it up.

Now, what about Trenbolone? Well, this is pretty much the only anabolic steroid that is actually very sensitive to heat. Trenbolone Acetate's melting point is about 200 - 205 degrees Fahrenheit (93 - 96 degrees Celcius). Trenbolone Enanthate has slightly lower melting point, but that is due to the Enanthate ester affixed to it. Trenbolone is one particular anabolic steroid that is highly sensitive to oxidation and degradation (hence its natural dark color), and its degradation point is 100 degrees Celsius or above. You can easily see how close its degradation point is to its melting point, and this is very evident when it comes to its color change (the more it is heated towards and beyond its degradation temperature, the darker it becomes). Trenbolone can degrade very easily if it is heated up far too much, so keep this in mind. I'd also like to add that the vast majority of underground laboratories manufacturing Trenbolone are likely overheating it and producing severely degraded and under-strength Trenbolone products as a result. Properly manufactured Trenbolone should yield a yellowish golden color (with some small exceptions). If it is extremely dark to the point of being dark amber, or brown (or darker), chances are you have overheated and thus degraded and under-strength Trenbolone that was likely manufactured by someone who did not know what they were doing.

So, no, a small warming up of the vial prior to injection (or leaving it in a hot environment) will not destroy the hormone. The enemy of injectable anabolic steroids is not heat, but is instead cold. If the temperature drops too much, the solution risks crashing whereby the hormone returns to its crystal/powder state and settles at the bottom of the vial. The hormone in this case is not damaged in any way, but will require re-heating in order to restore it into a solution. So, do not keep your injectables in the fridge or the freezer.

And a small side-note on heating oils to thin the viscosity prior to injection: if the oil is already very thin due to higher benzyl benzoate content, or through the use of special oil carriers such as ethyl oleate, there is usually no need to heat it up in order to thin it even more for the injection. If the oil is too thin, you will run the risk of oil leaking back out of the muscle into the subcutaneous tissue, pooling up in the area and causing swelling, redness, edema, and pain due to irritation that will last for anywhere from 2-4 days until it subsides and clears. It is not lethal, but can be quite uncomfortable and painful.

From my understanding Tren is the only compound where heat can mess things up

I've actually started just letting the powder sit in the solvents recently... Usually don't need any heat.

That's what they're saying in regards to the heat
 
@Iron Vett



From my understanding Tren is the only compound where heat can mess things up



That's what they're saying in regards to the heat

Correct but the base compounds are tricky and I can't find it now but it seems like I remember someone saying that tren base takes a good deal of heat to go into solution.

Edit: my regular tren a and e are brewed cool enough to always be able to sit comfortably in my hand
 
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