ZKJ
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Fair enough and cheers i will do
I just checked and and my one said 40/40/20 only 3 weeks, so do i need 4 then
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Anabolic Steroids
FIRST CYCLE OPINION/HELP??
- Thread starter ZKJ
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I just checked and and my one said 40/40/20 only 3 weeks, so do i need 4 then
AlwaysHungry
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I call this bullshit you know what sides youre going to get with test acne and high e2. You're not going to get to 100kg with 500mg test e. Better option keep test e at 500 as a base cycle in and out test p and some orals if you like and you can stack with test eq at 600-1g or deca at 250-400 easily without getting any unplesand sides thank me later
JackSmooth
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You're right lets advise a 175lb 6+ foot guy to run over a gram of gear. Fuck it throw in some hgh and slin, forget about learning about your body and exhausting compounds and lower doses until they don't work and then moving on to more advanced cycles. Start high so there's no where else to go except even higher. 500mg is plenty for his goals, diet will be the main limitation on wether or not he puts maximum size on for his first cycle.
AlwaysHungry
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We both know that 1g is low LOL i didn't see that he was 175lb anyway i think he would get far better results in the half gram range with 2,5 test and 2,5 deca along with dbol
ZKJ
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Cheers man ill do 4 then
ZKJ
Member
Cheers for your advice man and your right i would get better results,but i wana start low work my way up.i wouldnt even run 2 compounds for first cycle,it wasnt too long ago i said i would never take steroids lol maybe one day ill be doing cycles like that but not for first cycle.
cheers anyway
ZKJ
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Actually tell a lie i just checked and it says 4 like u said
The Best Beginner Steroid Cycles:- Week 1-12 Testosterone-Enanthate or Testosterone-Cypionate: 250mg-500mg per week
- Week 13-15 you will take nothing and let the testosterone begin to clear out
- Week 16-17 Nolvadex 40mg per day
- Week 18-19 Nolvadex 20mg per day
Let me recommend something. If you pin Test weeks 1-12, then you would not want to wait until week 16 to start your pct. Test E takes 14 days from you last pin to clear. So if you were to wait till week 16, you would be 21 days out from last pin. That last 7 days would be a rough week I promise. Run it like this bro.
Week 1-12: Test E or C 250mg 2x per week
Week 13-14: Let esters clear
Week 15-16: 40mg ed Nolva
Week 17-18: 20mg ed Nolva
It's doesn't seem like much of a difference, but believe me, it is. Trust me.
Week 1-12: Test E or C 250mg 2x per week
Week 13-14: Let esters clear
Week 15-16: 40mg ed Nolva
Week 17-18: 20mg ed Nolva
It's doesn't seem like much of a difference, but believe me, it is. Trust me.
ZKJ
Member
Thanks i will do,i heard two weeks aswell.
I aslo heard this for some who use hcg pre pct,they say wait 7 days after last test pin,blast hcg at 500iu for 10 days,then wait 4 days and start pct. Does that sound right?
Im ordering some hcg to just have incase,so will have arimidex and hcg on hand if needed.
Thanks
You can do it that way, but IMO its counterproductive because there is still exogenous test from the Test E in your body. It's one thing to use it while you are on cycle to keep you nuts pumping and full, but if you are going to do it at the end of the cycle to wake up your testes, wait till the esters clear. Let the half life run its course and then blast for 10 days straight at 500iu per day, then pct. I feel like what you have listed will work, but you want the hcg to get your testes pumping without any test still in your body that will only suppress them again. Hope this makes sense. Again, there is someone that is very knowledgable here and its who I got this info from. In regards to HCG, maybe he will chime in.
@Jackreature
Jackreature
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Aww @Jrock83 your're makin' me blush! Wait - are you trying to get in my pants?!
What's up @ZKJ? Welcome! Personally, I think 500mg Test E is a good first cycle - I was a little lighter than you on my first cycle and ran 375mg Sustanon and had GREAT results. It also taught me a lot about my body's positive and negative reactions to Test without taking much of a risk. Obviously, though, there are many ways to skin a cat.
In regards to HCG and PCT, everything that I would say has basically already been said. Personally, I don't like running HCG during the cycle because I really don't care if my balls shrink on cycle as long as I can get them to back afterwards and I don't think that running HCG during the cycle makes PCT any easier or smoother. Unless its very important to you to keep your balls the same size, I would suggest you save your money and your HCG for after the cycle and run it just as JRock said: 500iu every day for 10 days straight about 2 weeks after your last pin of Test E. Make sure you still have your AI available for this 3.5 to 4 week period as your body is still metabolizing the Test for those first 2 weeks and, therefore, still aromatizing and the HCG can produce an excess of natural Test that could lead to high E2. Then, beginning the day after your last shot of HCG, run Nolvadex for 4 weeks at 40/40/20/20. Add in Clomid if you want but I don't feel its necessary especially for a 500mg/wk cycle. Basically, you will be completing PCT about 8 weeks after your last shot.
One other thing - I AM NOT a believer in waiting until you have sides to take an AI but I am also very cautious of taking too much since it can cause some pretty drastic sides itself. Ultimately, I'd rather my lipid panel be out of wack for a few weeks then have bitch tits for even a moment (call me vain but man FUCK THAT lol). This balancing act is one that is very individual and must be determined by experience. This is the main reason I am a fan of lower mg Test cycles for your first couple of cycles - it gives you a chance to learn about your body's reactions to supraphysiological doses of exogenous Test, including rate of aromatization, both from your mid-cycle blood work and just from learning the signs your body will throw at you as warnings of too much or too little E2. Learning how to manage aromatization in a way that is as safe and healthy as possible is key to longevity IMO.
Anyways, best of luck with your first cycle and I wish you great success. If you decide to start a log, please tag me in it - would love to follow along!
-Jack
What's up @ZKJ? Welcome! Personally, I think 500mg Test E is a good first cycle - I was a little lighter than you on my first cycle and ran 375mg Sustanon and had GREAT results. It also taught me a lot about my body's positive and negative reactions to Test without taking much of a risk. Obviously, though, there are many ways to skin a cat.
In regards to HCG and PCT, everything that I would say has basically already been said. Personally, I don't like running HCG during the cycle because I really don't care if my balls shrink on cycle as long as I can get them to back afterwards and I don't think that running HCG during the cycle makes PCT any easier or smoother. Unless its very important to you to keep your balls the same size, I would suggest you save your money and your HCG for after the cycle and run it just as JRock said: 500iu every day for 10 days straight about 2 weeks after your last pin of Test E. Make sure you still have your AI available for this 3.5 to 4 week period as your body is still metabolizing the Test for those first 2 weeks and, therefore, still aromatizing and the HCG can produce an excess of natural Test that could lead to high E2. Then, beginning the day after your last shot of HCG, run Nolvadex for 4 weeks at 40/40/20/20. Add in Clomid if you want but I don't feel its necessary especially for a 500mg/wk cycle. Basically, you will be completing PCT about 8 weeks after your last shot.
One other thing - I AM NOT a believer in waiting until you have sides to take an AI but I am also very cautious of taking too much since it can cause some pretty drastic sides itself. Ultimately, I'd rather my lipid panel be out of wack for a few weeks then have bitch tits for even a moment (call me vain but man FUCK THAT lol). This balancing act is one that is very individual and must be determined by experience. This is the main reason I am a fan of lower mg Test cycles for your first couple of cycles - it gives you a chance to learn about your body's reactions to supraphysiological doses of exogenous Test, including rate of aromatization, both from your mid-cycle blood work and just from learning the signs your body will throw at you as warnings of too much or too little E2. Learning how to manage aromatization in a way that is as safe and healthy as possible is key to longevity IMO.
Anyways, best of luck with your first cycle and I wish you great success. If you decide to start a log, please tag me in it - would love to follow along!
-Jack
ZKJ
Member
Cheers for that man
ZKJ
Member
Hi and thanks for the information,very detailed. I will do what you and @Jrock83 said and wait 2 weeks before using hcg (if i do use it) i now know how to use it just not sure yet if i really need to yet?
As for the ai i was planning to use during but i heard some people dont need it,and i know if i do take it and dont get sides then i will think i need it all the time.i would hate to be taking a substance if i didnt need it,i dont like taking paracetemol lol
But i would also hate gyno.i have a list of things to look out for,like the early signs of gyno. Am i right in thinking that if you get early signs like fuller nipples etc and you use the ai it will get rid of it? But you cant get rid of it if actual tissue grows
Also im thinking of doing a log so will definitely tag you
Cheers
Correct. I generally don't need an AI, but I have gotten puffy nipples and even lumps before. Once I got my E2 back in line, the symptoms went away. Even Nolva for a week or so has helped me before. However, if you let it go and can't get your E2 in check, and end up getting full on tits, you are fucked bro. Everyone is different and symptoms progress at different rates in every body so your blood work will be key.
ZKJ
Member
Ok cool ill keep an eye on it and take whatever i need to hopefully sort it.i need to look up e2 as dont know what that is.(unless its estrogen?)
I forgot about bloods aswell,like i eill be getting them but forgot i could use that as a guide for sides.ive just been looking up physical feelings to the sides. How much estrogen is to much in bloodwork?
Don't use physical sides as a gauge for your e2 levels, and yes, e2 is estrogen. Every single person is different man so I can't tell you what your numbers should be. You will have to get frequent blood work and play with AI dosages to see what's best for you, where you gain the most from your cycle, and when you feel the best physically. Blood work is key. I'll say it again, blood work is the only way. You can look up shit on Google all day long but if you base your decisions on other people's experiences and stuff you read online, and not cold hard facts from your own blood work, you're going to have a rough road. I will say this...the ideal range for e2 in most men is between 20 and 30 pg/ml. That seems to be the sweet spot. However, some guys will run with higher e2 and have massive gains and love it at the same time. It's your body so you have to find the right pieces to the AAS puzzle that work for you.
ZKJ
Member
Ok cheers,ill have to learn what is good for me then.ill tag you in my log if i do one if u dont mind.
SinisterDog
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I’m in for a follow. I’m interested to see what you went with etc.
ZKJ
Member
Will do
