Dope and it’s never ending Grip on my life

[The Terminator]

No I'm not. And it worked for him and many others that I've read people posting on it about how it helped them quit. As there are different types of it. One is a more energetic type and gives focus like Adderall does.
But I'll stop recommending it. As people seem to be against it here. Was just trying to help the dude with something that could possibly get him clean without going thru withdraw hell. If it didn't help get me clean from alcohol and my buddy with the pain pills and Adderall I wouldn't be recommending it.

I only ask cause of how hard you were recommending it. You had two very verbose posts plus a separate thread recommending it. I’m not necessarily against any drug, I believe in legalization and I could see a place in opioid withdrawal, I successfully used suboxone myself.

The reason I said kratom for adderall withdrawl is terrible advice is because adderall withdrawal is a walk in the park compared to the most mild opioid withdrawal ime. It’s similar to caffeine withdrawal: basically a week or 2 of being very tired, hungry, and possibly moody. Not on the level of methamphetamine.

 

[InFlames]

I only ask cause of how hard you were recommending it. You had two very verbose posts plus a separate thread recommending it. I’m not necessarily against any drug, I believe in legalization and I could see a place in opioid withdrawal, I successfully used suboxone myself.

The reason I said kratom for adderall withdrawl is terrible advice is because adderall withdrawal is a walk in the park compared to the most mild opioid withdrawal ime. It’s similar to caffeine withdrawal: basically a week or 2 of being very tired, hungry, and possibly moody. Not on the level of methamphetamine.

I understand and I realize I've posted about it quite a bit and how that can come across. The thread I started on it was just a post seeing if anyone else here takes it. But I'm totally not a seller or anything. It's just something I am kinda passionate about because I was killing myself with alcohol for years. Kratom stopped that. And yea I did get a dependency on it at first because I had to take a good amount of it to keep the alcohol withdrawals away. But I just tapered off it and now take it occasionally. Just like a normal person would drink alcohol. Lol not everyday like I was....drowning myself in vodka. There's different strains of the plant. They all aren't opiate like. There's one thats an upper like Adderall and people use it to keep those withdrawals away and then taper off that. Like my buddy did.
Basically I know OPs pain and how addiction can destroy lives and ruin every relationship u have....was just a suggestion. It's much easier to come off Kratom than other drugs. As long as u use it just to keep the withdrawals away and then taper off of it. Everything in moderation.
I know I kinda have been long winded about it. It's just cause I believe it works and am proof. But I get what u are saying and why I would look like I'm peddling it or trying to sell it. But I'm really not. Totally the opposite really. I've just been in his shoes before. Just a different substance.

Edit. I'm new here and certainly don't want to start out with getting a bad name for myself. So I'll stop with the Kratom shit. lol.

 

[Havah]

I understand and I realize I've posted about it quite a bit and how that can come across. The thread I started on it was just a post seeing if anyone else here takes it. But I'm totally not a seller or anything. It's just something I am kinda passionate about because I was killing myself with alcohol for years. Kratom stopped that. And yea I did get a dependency on it at first because I had to take a good amount of it to keep the alcohol withdrawals away. But I just tapered off it and now take it occasionally. Just like a normal person would drink alcohol. Lol not everyday like I was....drowning myself in vodka. There's different strains of the plant. They all aren't opiate like. There's one thats an upper like Adderall and people use it to keep those withdrawals away and then taper off that. Like my buddy did.
Basically I know OPs pain and how addiction can destroy lives and ruin every relationship u have....was just a suggestion. It's much easier to come off Kratom than other drugs. As long as u use it just to keep the withdrawals away and then taper off of it. Everything in moderation.
I know I kinda have been long winded about it. It's just cause I believe it works and am proof. But I get what u are saying and why I would look like I'm peddling it or trying to sell it. But I'm really not. Totally the opposite really. I've just been in his shoes before. Just a different substance.

Edit. I'm new here and certainly don't want to start out with getting a bad name for myself. So I'll stop with the Kratom shit. lol.

You didnt start as an alcoholic right of the bat, shit takes time to fuck up

Lets see how kratom treats you in the long run before praising it

 

[InFlames]

You didnt start as an alcoholic right of the bat, shit takes time to fuck up

Lets see how kratom treats you in the long run before praising it

True. Point taken.

 

[Logan44551]

I only ask cause of how hard you were recommending it. You had two very verbose posts plus a separate thread recommending it. I’m not necessarily against any drug, I believe in legalization and I could see a place in opioid withdrawal, I successfully used suboxone myself.

The reason I said kratom for adderall withdrawl is terrible advice is because adderall withdrawal is a walk in the park compared to the most mild opioid withdrawal ime. It’s similar to caffeine withdrawal: basically a week or 2 of being very tired, hungry, and possibly moody. Not on the level of methamphetamine.

Meth isn't that bad of a withdrawal either in my experience. I was cranky for a couple months. I slept for like a week. Gained some weight.

 

[brutus79]

Meth isn't that bad of a withdrawal either in my experience. I was cranky for a couple months. I slept for like a week. Gained some weight.

Was cranky pun intended?

 

[The Terminator]

I understand and I realize I've posted about it quite a bit and how that can come across. The thread I started on it was just a post seeing if anyone else here takes it. But I'm totally not a seller or anything. It's just something I am kinda passionate about because I was killing myself with alcohol for years. Kratom stopped that. And yea I did get a dependency on it at first because I had to take a good amount of it to keep the alcohol withdrawals away. But I just tapered off it and now take it occasionally. Just like a normal person would drink alcohol. Lol not everyday like I was....drowning myself in vodka. There's different strains of the plant. They all aren't opiate like. There's one thats an upper like Adderall and people use it to keep those withdrawals away and then taper off that. Like my buddy did.
Basically I know OPs pain and how addiction can destroy lives and ruin every relationship u have....was just a suggestion. It's much easier to come off Kratom than other drugs. As long as u use it just to keep the withdrawals away and then taper off of it. Everything in moderation.
I know I kinda have been long winded about it. It's just cause I believe it works and am proof. But I get what u are saying and why I would look like I'm peddling it or trying to sell it. But I'm really not. Totally the opposite really. I've just been in his shoes before. Just a different substance.

Edit. I'm new here and certainly don't want to start out with getting a bad name for myself. So I'll stop with the Kratom shit. lol.

I’ll say that kratom is prob a better alternative than alcohol, it’s just that adderall withdrawls are pretty tame. That info about kratom says that they all are opioid receptor, and mu receptor agonists, unless you mean they’ve extracted certain alkaloids. I haven’t read in great detail so I could be wrong but I thought it was small doses cause stimulation and larger doses cause a depressant effect.

You can tell people as much about kratom as you want, I was just curious.

 

[The Terminator]

Meth isn't that bad of a withdrawal either in my experience. I was cranky for a couple months. I slept for like a week. Gained some weight.

Well adderall is even easier. The only potentially bad part of methamphetamine withdrawal is the depression and lack of joy that can last a long time, other than that stimulant withdrawals aren’t too bad physically.

 

[Havah]

Well adderall is even easier. The only potentially bad part of methamphetamine withdrawal is the depression and lack of joy that can last a long time, other than that stimulant withdrawals aren’t too bad physically.

Common to pretty much any substance abuse cessation

 

[The Terminator]

Common to pretty much any substance abuse cessation

True but from what I’ve heard and read methamphetamine can be particularly bad due to dopaminergic neurotoxicity.

 

[Roger rabbit]

I was meaning as people use Kratom to ease the withdrawals of whatever they are addicted to. And then taper off the Kratom and be clean. Without going thru hell of full on withdrawals.... Kratom is a hell of alot easier to taper off of then say H. Of course he needs to stop the dope completely. But Kratom can be used as a tool to come off of it without being bed ridden for weeks with dope withdrawals. Kratom doesn't get u high anywhere near anything like H or even pain pills. It's just a mild feel good type feeling. But it helps tons of people get off hard drugs without dealing with the full on withdrawals. I meant it as a tool to use like I did to stop drinking. As alcohol withdrawals can literally kill you. It made my transition so much easier. And now I just take Kratom if I've had a bad day or just want to relax. Kratom isn't anywhere near what the media says about it but it's a great thing for people that are addicted to hard drugs to get clean without feeling the full effects of withdrawal.

I know I repeated my self a couple times lol. But just wanted to make it clear I wasn't meaning for him to get hooked on another substance. I guess it came across that way since I was saying I still use it even though I've stopped drinking. But like I said I don't take it anywhere near the amount that I was drinking. I was drinking daily.....killing my body and my gains in the gym. It was just a suggestion to help him rid himself of the dope. Just a tool in the toolbox of getting clean. Stopping cold turkey with any addictive drug is hell. Hence why they use methadone and Suboxone to get people off of heroin. But those can be ridiculously addictive as well. Just trying to give him some advice on how to get clean and stay clean. And if he has an urge to use after he's gotten off and tapered down from the kratom. He could take some Kratom to kill that urge and relapse on a much harder deadly drug.

I can see and respect where u are coming from though and u are right. He doesn't need to get hooked on anything else. I was gonna give him advice on how to take Kratom to get off the dope and then taper off the Kratom to be completely clean without going thru the hell of withdrawal if he contacted me. That's was my main point of posting that.

Edit. Just saw he said it is Meth. People have used Kratom as well to get off of Meth as well. My buddy used it to get off of Adderall. Which makes u pop hot for methamphetamine.... It's a great tool to have to get you sober.

enough kratom and you will hallucinate.

It’s all the rage with many people and is one reason many states are looking to ban kratom the drug.

It has its plus sides but it has many down sides as well.

You said you were taking kratom. How long have you been taking it? Have you winged yourself off completely after switching from alcohol?

 

[InFlames]

enough kratom and you will hallucinate.

It’s all the rage with many people and is one reason many states are looking to ban kratom the drug.

It has its plus sides but it has many down sides as well.

You said you were taking kratom. How long have you been taking it? Have you winged yourself off completely after switching from alcohol?

Been taking Kratom for about 2 years now. Yes I have tapered myself off of Kratom to the point where I'm not dependent on it. I'll take it now every so often. Like a weekend. Or if ive had a bad day and just want to relax....like people would drink beer or wine I guess you would say....but I'm not dependent on it to where when I don't take it, I feel any negative effects.

 

[mr_meanor]

Best of luck in your recovery. I am a recovering junkie myself, almost a decade clean, except I do still partake in THC however I did not for the first few years. Meetings and a sponser saved my life, I know it sounds corny and everyone feels out of place and weird in that environment, but that is what it is about, the environment. Being around people with the same struggle going through the same problems, not the content or the meetings themselves. Addiction is one of the hardest things to recover from because the part of your brain where it subsides is the same part of your brain that controls involuntary functions such as breathing and hunger, so your body literally thinks it needs drugs like it needs to breathe and food.
I wish you the best and even though you believe meetings and all that is rubish but they greatly increases your odds of success, even if you just go sit in the back, don't say shit to anyone and are the first one out the door. If it where me I would be glad to grasp onto anything that improves my odds especially with something like addiction where the odds are stacked against you. And kratom is not the answer imo, it is a temporarey fix to a problem that becomes a problem itself and is highly addictive and hard af to come off of. Never replace a problem with another problem, but it can be used as a temporarey crutch just dont get hooked on it too. But i dont think kratom applies in this scenerio.
Anyway best of luck bro, I wish you the best.

 

[valuum]

You're not alone. I was actually gonna JUST write a post about my relapse. I used on the weekends, then every few days, then went on a true run at the end. I'm 4 days sober (well on kratom, can't kick with school) this morning and finally feeling normal. That fent dope KICKED MY ASS. I would feel so foggy and retarded the next day. Managed to injure my shoulder lifting while high. This was mostly as I came off my first cycle. Totally lost the moral compass at the end and was getting high with a rich girl in her 2nd trimester of pregnancy. I realized I was gonna fuck up my probation and go back... and I don't have another bit in me. To see my friends who never got clean again really showed me how rough the disease is. This rich girl's family had a big superbowl party, rural people but definitely NICE upstanding people. She's playing host, winning us extra money at cards and shit, and I'm smoozing it up with the family. As soon as she gets the win money for the first quarter score board we dip to the city quick. Just that hardcore "American Beauty" type fucked up suburbia vibe.

 

[rpbb]

You're not alone. I was actually gonna JUST write a post about my relapse. I used on the weekends, then every few days, then went on a true run at the end. I'm 4 days sober (well on kratom, can't kick with school) this morning and finally feeling normal. That fent dope KICKED MY ASS. I would feel so foggy and retarded the next day. Managed to injure my shoulder lifting while high. This was mostly as I came off my first cycle. Totally lost the moral compass at the end and was getting high with a rich girl in her 2nd trimester of pregnancy. I realized I was gonna fuck up my probation and go back... and I don't have another bit in me. To see my friends who never got clean again really showed me how rough the disease is. This rich girl's family had a big superbowl party, rural people but definitely NICE upstanding people. She's playing host, winning us extra money at cards and shit, and I'm smoozing it up with the family. As soon as she gets the win money for the first quarter score board we dip to the city quick. Just that hardcore "American Beauty" type fucked up suburbia vibe.

Is she, you, and her family all that fucking stupid.

 

[Anabolixrip84]

Yo man - I realize I’m just some random dude on the internet. I struggled with heroin for 10 years of my life. I’ve been on subutex for the last 4 years and as of today Ive been off everything for 16 days. If I can get my shit together, anyone can.

The Kratom shit is a slippery slope IMHO. I took it for three days and realized I was just replacing one thing with another. I told myself I’m just going to put on my big boy pants and do this. I’m not sure if that’s the Marine still left in me or just who I am but I feel like, why risk it?

I dunno, my marriage, while strained is still alive. I still have some friends left and my body still works. I decided to get addicted to working out again. I’d rather be hooked on some gear and deal with my body dismorphia than be hooked any that fucking terrible stuff.

I too wish you the best, I’d be more than happy to talk anytime. I have spent a lot of time in the recovery community.


Edit: You can get gains back, you can’t get your life, your wife or other such things back if you totally destroy them. I was 198lbs around 10%. I flew up to 330lbs (god that sugar craving while on drugs) then down to just under 250 in around the last 6 months. I firmly believe anyone who can be honest with themselves can make positive change. You’ll get everything back and some.

 

[Ozzy619]

I look forward to your "oops I did it again post" because it will mean the dealer you use didn't put too much fentanyl in your next bundle. Of you have countless friends going to court ordered rehabs and classes and they go back to heroin perhaps you should find some friends who aren't douchebags. You are the company you keep... much as it seems you gravitated towards the scum at meetings.

Whats up brotherhood, hows the weather in your parts?? always take your posts on this topic with gravity. 7 years is fucking great. hope all is well. Im up to 3 kids now.

Always good to see your response,

I was meaning as people use Kratom to ease the withdrawals of whatever they are addicted to. And then taper off the Kratom and be clean. Without going thru hell of full on withdrawals.... Kratom is a hell of alot easier to taper off of then say H. Of course he needs to stop the dope completely. But Kratom can be used as a tool to come off of it without being bed ridden for weeks with dope withdrawals. Kratom doesn't get u high anywhere near anything like H or even pain pills. It's just a mild feel good type feeling. But it helps tons of people get off hard drugs without dealing with the full on withdrawals. I meant it as a tool to use like I did to stop drinking. As alcohol withdrawals can literally kill you. It made my transition so much easier. And now I just take Kratom if I've had a bad day or just want to relax. Kratom isn't anywhere near what the media says about it but it's a great thing for people that are addicted to hard drugs to get clean without feeling the full effects of withdrawal.

I know I repeated my self a couple times lol. But just wanted to make it clear I wasn't meaning for him to get hooked on another substance. I guess it came across that way since I was saying I still use it even though I've stopped drinking. But like I said I don't take it anywhere near the amount that I was drinking. I was drinking daily.....killing my body and my gains in the gym. It was just a suggestion to help him rid himself of the dope. Just a tool in the toolbox of getting clean. Stopping cold turkey with any addictive drug is hell. Hence why they use methadone and Suboxone to get people off of heroin. But those can be ridiculously addictive as well. Just trying to give him some advice on how to get clean and stay clean. And if he has an urge to use after he's gotten off and tapered down from the kratom. He could take some Kratom to kill that urge and relapse on a much harder deadly drug.

I can see and respect where u are coming from though and u are right. He doesn't need to get hooked on anything else. I was gonna give him advice on how to take Kratom to get off the dope and then taper off the Kratom to be completely clean without going thru the hell of withdrawal if he contacted me. That's was my main point of posting that.

Edit. Just saw he said it is Meth. People have used Kratom as well to get off of Meth as well. My buddy used it to get off of Adderall. Which makes u pop hot for methamphetamine.... It's a great tool to have to get you sober.

TLR (every one of your posts)
Dope has always been meth where I live. Keep your Kratom opinion in a private message and stop trying to push it on people. This is not reddit or bluelight bubba. This is a lifting forum. Keep you opinion to PM and stop sounding like a shill for kratom. Its my first time logging back in months and the third post Ive seen you talking about it.

If you care send the dude a PM asking what you can do to help. Its crazy what a little support will do for some one in active addiction.

 

[Ozzy619]

Yo man - I realize I’m just some random dude on the internet. I struggled with heroin for 10 years of my life. I’ve been on subutex for the last 4 years and as of today Ive been off everything for 16 days. If I can get my shit together, anyone can.

The Kratom shit is a slippery slope IMHO. I took it for three days and realized I was just replacing one thing with another. I told myself I’m just going to put on my big boy pants and do this. I’m not sure if that’s the Marine still left in me or just who I am but I feel like, why risk it?

I dunno, my marriage, while strained is still alive. I still have some friends left and my body still works. I decided to get addicted to working out again. I’d rather be hooked on some gear and deal with my body dismorphia than be hooked any that fucking terrible stuff.

I too wish you the best, I’d be more than happy to talk anytime. I have spent a lot of time in the recovery community.


Edit: You can get gains back, you can’t get your life, your wife or other such things back if you totally destroy them. I was 198lbs around 10%. I flew up to 330lbs (god that sugar craving while on drugs) then down to just under 250 in around the last 6 months. I firmly believe anyone who can be honest with themselves can make positive change. You’ll get everything back and some.

Hats off to you for 16 days off subs my man. When you hit the one month mark there aint no looking back. Kratom is a slippery slope that isn't an answer. Those people that advocate it are in for a surprise.

16 days is fucking awesome dude. I remember when I quit subs, hit that 30 day mark and no looking back. I expect you to check in and tell me how much life gets better, how your emotions come back. It gets so much better my friend. Give it time to heal and don't rush it because I know you still feel some shit.

30, 60, 90 days and 1 years should be your mile stones at this point

 

[valuum]

Getting off subs is miserable as hell. I felt awful for 2 weeks straight. I'm 5 days sober from fentanyl dope how and feel pretty well normal.

 

[penche]

Getting off subs is miserable as hell. I felt awful for 2 weeks straight. I'm 5 days sober from fentanyl dope how and feel pretty well normal.

So the girl was prego and gettin high on Fent

I’m not judging but damn you’d think she would be concerned with the unborn kid ya know.