Masteron Enanthate Brew

[jJjburton]

So this is a general question but I want to do masteron in this case.

1 gram = 1000 mg
10 grams= 10,000 mg

So If I wanted to do 600 mg a week it would be a 16 weeks cycle. with 10,000 mg of raw.

So to brew do I just put the 10,000 mg of powder into 100 mL of substance (oil,ba,bb)
This would be a concentration of 100 mg/ml. I could also make 10 vials.

Now to make a concentration of 200 mg/mL. I should cut the 100 mL into 50 mL I believe?

I am going to be using 2 percent BA and 14 percent BB.

 

[mp46]

So you want to brew 10 grams of mast E at 200mg/ml with 2/14

That would be 2g per vial with a total of 5 vials. or 50ml.

Mast E would be .85mg per ml displacement. so your recipe would look like this

10g raws
1ml BA
7ml BB
33.5ml GSO

The standard homebrew method would be add the raws, BA, and BB and mix together then add GSO until you hit 50ml but maths says that it should be 33.5ml. Also this doesn't count for any overdosing so you'll be a few percentage points down with this method.

 

[jJjburton]

So you want to brew 10 grams of mast E at 200mg/ml with 2/14

That would be 2g per vial with a total of 5 vials. or 50ml.

Mast E would be .85mg per ml displacement. so your recipe would look like this

10g raws
1ml BA
7ml BB
33.5ml GSO

The standard homebrew method would be add the raws, BA, and BB and mix together then add GSO until you hit 50ml but maths says that it should be 33.5ml. Also this doesn't count for any overdosing so you'll be a few percentage points down with this method.

I only see 41.5 mL of substance (bb,ba,oil).
Cause then 10 grams is over 41 m L a more potent that 200 mg/mL product.

Unless...

Is the other 9.5 mL accounted for by the 10 g of raws?

 

[mp46]

I only see 41.5 mL of substance (bb,ba,oil).
Cause then 10 grams is over 41 m L a more potent that 200 mg/mL product.

Unless...

Is the other 9.5 mL accounted for by the 10 g of raws?

Correct, you have 41.5ml of liquid substance and 8.5ml of solid raws. Each gram of mast e displaces .85ml so 10 x.85 = 8.5ml. if you have 50ml of liquid then drop those 10g of raw in you'll see the line go up around 58.5ml. It's the same idea of adding any solid to water it will displace volume, fill a bathtub up and get in water will over flow, you measured the water in the tub but forgot to include how much water your body is takes up in the tub.

An easy way to see what I'm talking about is to go ahead and mix the 7ml BB with the raws, add in the 1ml BA. and you should be right around 16.5ml. Then you just add the 33.5ml of oil and you're right at 50ml.

 

[jJjburton]

Correct, you have 41.5ml of liquid substance and 8.5ml of solid raws. Each gram of mast e displaces .85ml so 10 x.85 = 8.5ml. if you have 50ml of liquid then drop those 10g of raw in you'll see the line go up around 58.5ml. It's the same idea of adding any solid to water it will displace volume, fill a bathtub up and get in water will over flow, you measured the water in the tub but forgot to include how much water your body is takes up in the tub.

An easy way to see what I'm talking about is to go ahead and mix the 7ml BB with the raws, add in the 1ml BA. and you should be right around 16.5ml. Then you just add the 33.5ml of oil and you're right at 50ml.

Awesome, how many millileters can one syringe filter .22 micron usually go through? 10 mL, 50 mL or more?

 

[mp46]

I've seen people push 100ml through them. The filter doesn't really become less effective per say, it just clogs up and it's harder to push through. If you're getting them online they usually come in like a 12 pack so you should be fine. Always get more than you need, never know when a filter will blow out, the sterile package will be damaged, etc.

 

[jJjburton]

I've seen people push 100ml through them. The filter doesn't really become less effective per say, it just clogs up and it's harder to push through. If you're getting them online they usually come in like a 12 pack so you should be fine. Always get more than you need, never know when a filter will blow out, the sterile package will be damaged, etc.

Does that seems like a recipe that will hold nicely?
Would you recommend putting that in 1 50 mL vial or a couple 20 mL vials. I hate the 10 mL vials.

 

[mp46]

I always do 2% BA regardless it’s what all my American pharmacy stuff comes with and I see no reason to change that. The BB is personal for something like Enanthate, you don’t need as much as other esters but the BB does help thin it out. So yes I’d go 2/14.

As far as the vials that’s totally personal. How many times do you plan on sticking it? I have some stoppers that have taken nearly 50 stabs with a 25ga needle. I have some that look like Swiss cheese after 20 stabs because I was using an 18-22 gauge. So 20ml vials would be the limit the way I inject.

 

[jJjburton]

I always do 2% BA regardless it’s what all my American pharmacy stuff comes with and I see no reason to change that. The BB is personal for something like Enanthate, you don’t need as much as other esters but the BB does help thin it out. So yes I’d go 2/14.

As far as the vials that’s totally personal. How many times do you plan on sticking it? I have some stoppers that have taken nearly 50 stabs with a 25ga needle. I have some that look like Swiss cheese after 20 stabs because I was using an 18-22 gauge. So 20ml vials would be the limit the way I inject.

600-800 mg a week of the Mast E. So probably 2x a week at 300-400. Along with test and anavar. So I wont go above 20 mL. 30-50 mL is going to take a beating.

 

[mp46]

Yea no bigger than 20ml. You’ll be drawing 1.5-2ml each time so you’ll want to use a larger needle.

 

[jJjburton]

So I am getting 12 grams mast E, in theory at 200 mg to make 60 mL. Or should I do the 50 mL and over dose it with 2 grams?

I am making 60 mL of mast E 200 mg, 100 mL of EQ 200 mg, and 120 mL of Test C 200 mg. I am just going to use the same 2/14 ba/bb ratio for each for simplictity. This is my first time brewing. So A total of 280 mL. I am just going to run it through a syringe filter I believe and put into sterile vials. Is there a reason to do a media bottle vaccum filter for this amount, or is it too small?
That would be only 3-4 syringe filters, I will get 5 just in case. I will heat the oil to 100 degrees before filtering.

When filtering/filling a sterile vial that is capped already, do I have to put a needle to allow air flow out of the vial while filling?

 

[mp46]

So I am getting 12 grams mast E, in theory at 200 mg to make 60 mL. Or should I do the 50 mL and over dose it with 2 grams?

You can go either way, the best way is to get the raws tested and actually know the purity. but for home brew that's kind of overkill. How are you verifying the mast E raw is actually mast E? Either way if you assume it's 95% pure your 200mg/ml would actually be 190mg/ml. If that's close enough for, you stick to the original plan and brew 60ml instead of overdosing.

I am making 60 mL of mast E 200 mg, 100 mL of EQ 200 mg, and 120 mL of Test C 200 mg. I am just going to use the same 2/14 ba/bb ratio for each for simplictity.

I'd bump the Test C to 2/18 personally, that's what my pharmacy stuff comes at and I've always kept it the same, although you shouldn't have a problem at 2/14 since people brew 250mg/ml at 2/18. This is where home brewing and finding what works for you comes in.

This is my first time brewing. So A total of 280 mL. I am just going to run it through a syringe filter I believe and put into sterile vials. Is there a reason to do a media bottle vaccum filter for this amount, or is it too small?
That would be only 3-4 syringe filters, I will get 5 just in case. I will heat the oil to 100 degrees before filtering.

No reason to get bottle top vacuum for that amount, you'd need to buy three of them anyway and a waste of money, it'll just take more time. You should be able to get a sterile pack of 12 syringe filters for less than $20 online.

When filtering/filling a sterile vial that is capped already, do I have to put a needle to allow air flow out of the vial while filling?

Yes you'll need to vent if using a syringe filter, it can be a really small needle; 25 or even 27ga is perfectly fine to vent.

 

[jJjburton]

You can go either way, the best way is to get the raws tested and actually know the purity. but for home brew that's kind of overkill. How are you verifying the mast E raw is actually mast E? Either way if you assume it's 95% pure your 200mg/ml would actually be 190mg/ml. If that's close enough for, you stick to the original plan and brew 60ml instead of overdosing.



I'd bump the Test C to 2/18 personally, that's what my pharmacy stuff comes at and I've always kept it the same, although you shouldn't have a problem at 2/14 since people brew 250mg/ml at 2/18. This is where home brewing and finding what works for you comes in.



No reason to get bottle top vacuum for that amount, you'd need to buy three of them anyway and a waste of money, it'll just take more time. You should be able to get a sterile pack of 12 syringe filters for less than $20 online.


Yes you'll need to vent if using a syringe filter, it can be a really small needle; 25 or even 27ga is perfectly fine to vent.

So helpful man, thanks, I believe the person I get it from would have a pretty good quality product. if the 200 comes to 180 that isnt perfect but I will take it.

Ok then ill do ba/bb 2/18 for everything. If you dont mind can we go over these 3 recipes I think they are right?
you said the displacement for mast E was .85. Do you know the displacement for EQ and Test C?

So 60 mL of mast E. I a getting 12 grams of powder. To make 200 mg at 2/18 ba/bb is.... ba= 1.2 mL, bb=10.8 mL, Then I would put the powder in with those two ingredients and fill until 60 mL with GSO or MCT oil.

120 m L of test Cyp getting 24 grams of powder. To make 200 mg. 2/18 ba/bb is... ba=2.4 mL, bb = 21.6 m L bb Then mix powder. Add oil until 120 m L.

100 m L of EQ. getting 20 grams powder, to make 200 mg. ba=2 mL, bb= 18 mL. Add powder and mix. Then add oil until 100 m L.

Anavar. 5 grams to make 100 mg/mL. 50 empty capsules needed. I am not going to use a filler, do I have to. Or if using oraplus I need 50 mL of solution.

 

[mp46]

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[mp46]

So helpful man, thanks, I believe the person I get it from would have a pretty good quality product. if the 200 comes to 180 that isnt perfect but I will take it.

Ok then ill do ba/bb 2/18 for everything. If you dont mind can we go over these 3 recipes I think they are right?
you said the displacement for mast E was .85. Do you know the displacement for EQ and Test C?

You don't have to do it all at 2/18 but again if you want to just to keep it simple this is your brew.
Mast E is .85ml/g
Test C is .909ml/g
EQ is a liquid raw so it's 1ml/g displacement

So 60 mL of mast E. I a getting 12 grams of powder. To make 200 mg at 2/18 ba/bb is.... ba= 1.2 mL, bb=10.8 mL, Then I would put the powder in with those two ingredients and fill until 60 mL with GSO or MCT oil.

Correct
BA - 60ml x .02 = 1.2ml
BB - 60ml x .18 = 10.8ml
Mast E 12g x .85 = 10.2ml
Total 22.2ml so you should have 37.8ml oil to make your 60ml of 200mg/ml

120 m L of test Cyp getting 24 grams of powder. To make 200 mg. 2/18 ba/bb is... ba=2.4 mL, bb = 21.6 m L bb Then mix powder. Add oil until 120 m L.

Correct
BA - 120ml x .02 = 2.4ml
BB- 120ml x .18 = 21.6ml
Test C - 24g x .909 = 21.816ml
Total = 48.816ml so you should only have to add 74.184ml of oil.

The weird numbers like this is why home brewers don't really do the math, they just add the known ingredients and fill to the oil level like you are saying and it's good enough for home brew. Knowing the math even as a homebrewer helps to double check your work.

100 m L of EQ. getting 20 grams powder, to make 200 mg. ba=2 mL, bb= 18 mL. Add powder and mix. Then add oil until 100 m L.

Correct
BA - 100ml x .02 = 2ml
BB - 100ml x .18 = 18ml
EQ is liquid so 20grams = 20ml
Total is 40ml so you should only have to add 60ml of oil to get 100ml total.

Anavar. 5 grams to make 100 mg/mL. 50 empty capsules needed. I am not going to use a filler, do I have to. Or if using oraplus I need 50 mL of solution.

Orals are a whole other ball game. typically you make var caps at 25mg. if you're making 100mg/ml that'd be an oral suspension and you can't use capsules, well I guess you could make a solution then try to fill the caps but I've never really seen some one try that and it sounds messy. I'd recommend you look at the sticky thread at the top on how to make caps with a traditional filler before making a decision.

 

[jJjburton]

You don't have to do it all at 2/18 but again if you want to just to keep it simple this is your brew.
Mast E is .85ml/g
Test C is .909ml/g
EQ is a liquid raw so it's 1ml/g displacement


Correct
BA - 60ml x .02 = 1.2ml
BB - 60ml x .18 = 10.8ml
Mast E 12g x .85 = 10.2ml
Total 22.2ml so you should have 37.8ml oil to make your 60ml of 200mg/ml


Correct
BA - 120ml x .02 = 2.4ml
BB- 120ml x .18 = 21.6ml
Test C - 24g x .909 = 21.816ml
Total = 48.816ml so you should only have to add 74.184ml of oil.

The weird numbers like this is why home brewers don't really do the math, they just add the known ingredients and fill to the oil level like you are saying and it's good enough for home brew. Knowing the math even as a homebrewer helps to double check your work.


Correct
BA - 100ml x .02 = 2ml
BB - 100ml x .18 = 18ml
EQ is liquid so 20grams = 20ml
Total is 40ml so you should only have to add 60ml of oil to get 100ml total.



Orals are a whole other ball game. typically you make var caps at 25mg. if you're making 100mg/ml that'd be an oral suspension and you can't use capsules, well I guess you could make a solution then try to fill the caps but I've never really seen some one try that and it sounds messy. I'd recommend you look at the sticky thread at the top on how to make caps with a traditional filler before making a decision.

Can you just get a 0 size capsule. Weigh out .1 grams and put the powder in a capsule? thats 100 mg var.

 

[mp46]

You're going to take 100mg of var at a time?

If you had a scale accurate enough you could.

 

[jJjburton]

You're going to take 100mg of var at a time?

If you had a scale accurate enough you could.

ok cool. anywhere from 50-100 mg. either 1 or 2x a day still thinking.

 

[Monstar]

You don't have to do it all at 2/18 but again if you want to just to keep it simple this is your brew.
Mast E is .85ml/g
Test C is .909ml/g
EQ is a liquid raw so it's 1ml/g displacement


Correct
BA - 60ml x .02 = 1.2ml
BB - 60ml x .18 = 10.8ml
Mast E 12g x .85 = 10.2ml
Total 22.2ml so you should have 37.8ml oil to make your 60ml of 200mg/ml


Correct
BA - 120ml x .02 = 2.4ml
BB- 120ml x .18 = 21.6ml
Test C - 24g x .909 = 21.816ml
Total = 48.816ml so you should only have to add 74.184ml of oil.

The weird numbers like this is why home brewers don't really do the math, they just add the known ingredients and fill to the oil level like you are saying and it's good enough for home brew. Knowing the math even as a homebrewer helps to double check your work.


Correct
BA - 100ml x .02 = 2ml
BB - 100ml x .18 = 18ml
EQ is liquid so 20grams = 20ml
Total is 40ml so you should only have to add 60ml of oil to get 100ml total.



Orals are a whole other ball game. typically you make var caps at 25mg. if you're making 100mg/ml that'd be an oral suspension and you can't use capsules, well I guess you could make a solution then try to fill the caps but I've never really seen some one try that and it sounds messy. I'd recommend you look at the sticky thread at the top on how to make caps with a traditional filler before making a decision.

Really nice effort and response.

 

[Monstar]

ok cool. anywhere from 50-100 mg. either 1 or 2x a day still thinking.

You want to be able to dose 2x a day ideally. Most make 25mg for this reason as 50mg is a common dose and one can always go 3x daily for 75mg and 2 caps at a time 2x a day for 100mg.

Similar to 18/2 on injectables keeping simple and standard maximizes flexibility.