Anyone use Aromasin instead of Adex? Would like to see your dose.

[Rumpwrangler]

I use 12.5mgs every 3rd or 4th day. Really depends on what compounds I’m running and if or how much Mast I’m using.

 

[Swolabetic]

I use 12.5mgs every 3rd or 4th day. Really depends on what compounds I’m running and if or how much Mast I’m using.

Less with Mast I assume?

 

[Rumpwrangler]

Less with Mast I assume?

Correct. Mast works as a mild AI. And I’ve noticed over a decade in the game that the leaner I am and cleaner I’m eating, the less of an AI I need on a blast. And I think that should be a concern for everyone. I don’t really think AIs are all that healthy for us.

 

[JC Grifter]

Correct. Mast works as a mild AI. And I’ve noticed over a decade in the game that the leaner I am and cleaner I’m eating, the less of an AI I need on a blast. And I think that should be a concern for everyone. I don’t really think AIs are all that healthy for us.

I always hear that but I’ve been in Arimidex for 6 years with zero health issues. Either it’s not true, or just doesn’t negatively effect me

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

Correct. Mast works as a mild AI. And I’ve noticed over a decade in the game that the leaner I am and cleaner I’m eating, the less of an AI I need on a blast. And I think that should be a concern for everyone. I don’t really think AIs are all that healthy for us.

I’ve seen a lot of mixed things about this. I’ve seen multiple blood panels on forums with and without mast and e2 levels do not change what so ever.

Based on my reading it masks side effects more than mitigating them.

Either way MAST IS NOT AN AI REGARDLESS OF EHAT IT DOES. ITS A STEROID.

You can’t interchange SERMS and steroids.

Edit: I’m looking for what I was reading with the bloods it was from another forum. But basically masteron seems to spent this way because DHT competes for the same receptor which is responsible for estrogen. It doesn’t kill off or block aromatase the same way an AI does. Wether it will work for you is dependent on how strong you convert and how much you’re running of each respective compound

 

[Rumpwrangler]

I’ve seen a lot of mixed things about this. I’ve seen multiple blood panels on forums with and without mast and e2 levels do not change what so ever.

Based on my reading it masks side effects more than mitigating them.

Either way MAST IS NOT AN AI REGARDLESS OF EHAT IT DOES. ITS A STEROID.

You can’t interchange SERMS and steroids.

Edit: I’m looking for what I was reading with the bloods it was from another forum. But basically masteron seems to spent this way because DHT competes for the same receptor which is responsible for estrogen. It doesn’t kill off or block aromatase the same way an AI does. Wether it will work for you is dependent on how strong you convert and how much you’re running of each respective compound

Yeah I said it acts as a mild AI. Myself and many others require less AI when using a good Mast. Anecdotal I reckon. I can tell you with certainty that if I run a cutmix at or around 300mgs I don’t get estrogenic sides and often don’t use an AI unless I bump to 400mgs of each. Then I’ll use Aromasin every 4th day. I’m very aware of it because I have a single nip that will flare up any time my estro levels run high.

OTOH, if I run just the Tren and Test at 300, I will get that little nip issue and I will take 12.5mgs Every 3rd day.

 

[Rumpwrangler]

I always hear that but I’ve been in Arimidex for 6 years with zero health issues. Either it’s not true, or just doesn’t negatively effect me

I took too much Adex because I felt too puffy once and it was the only time I’ve ever broken a bone other than a finger in my entire life. And it wasn’t a freak fall or incident that caused it. So I firmly believe that too high of a dose for several days made my bones extra brittle for at least a brief spell. Perhaps in low to moderate doses it doesn’t cause most people issues. But taking those kind of drugs really doesn’t sound like a healthy thing for adult males to be taking long term to me. My personal opinion is that TRT is totally safe long term at levels just below anything that requires the need for an AI.

 

[Brotato]

Aromasin is a suicide AI. So no estrogen rebound after you stop taking it.

“Estrogen Rebound”

How do you deal with estrogen rebound?

estrogen rebound is pure bro science

 

[JC Grifter]

“Estrogen Rebound”

How do you deal with estrogen rebound?

estrogen rebound is pure bro science

I have bloodwork to prove it. My doctor wanted to try to remove me from Arimidex as the few previous bloodwork were showing estrogen too low and I may not need it anymore. When I stopped the Arimidex my estrogen went from 7 to 58 in two weeks. That happened twice.

 

[JC Grifter]

I took too much Adex because I felt too puffy once and it was the only time I’ve ever broken a bone other than a finger in my entire life. And it wasn’t a freak fall or incident that caused it. So I firmly believe that too high of a dose for several days made my bones extra brittle for at least a brief spell. Perhaps in low to moderate doses it doesn’t cause most people issues. But taking those kind of drugs really doesn’t sound like a healthy thing for adult males to be taking long term to me. My personal opinion is that TRT is totally safe long term at levels just below anything that requires the need for an AI.

That it right there. A low dose. In the beginning I was take .5 three time a weeks for about 3 years. Over time I needed less and it was twice a week. Mid last year it’s been once a week and now where moving to every 10 days.

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

Yeah I said it acts as a mild AI. Myself and many others require less AI when using a good Mast. Anecdotal I reckon. I can tell you with certainty that if I run a cutmix at or around 300mgs I don’t get estrogenic sides and often don’t use an AI unless I bump to 400mgs of each. Then I’ll use Aromasin every 4th day. I’m very aware of it because I have a single nip that will flare up any time my estro levels run high.

OTOH, if I run just the Tren and Test at 300, I will get that little nip issue and I will take 12.5mgs Every 3rd day.

Yeah It Was very anecdotal. Im for sure going to be looking for a difference when I run it. I’m actually about to start a run with mast. I have a log I made a while outlining what ima do. Finally in a position to get nasty

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

I have bloodwork to prove it. My doctor wanted to try to remove me from Arimidex as the few previous bloodwork were showing estrogen too low and I may not need it anymore. When I stopped the Arimidex my estrogen went from 7 to 58 in two weeks. That happened twice.

Only way “estrogen rebound” is a thing is when you still have excess test in your system that is converting when you stop the AI. It seems pretty common sense to me. I’ve never actually seen proof of the rebound people talk about. Bloods don’t really prove that estrogen rebound is a thing. Your estrogen is just high. It could be from a number of things. Most likely because you are still aromatising when you stop the AI.


Edit: so wait I just reread your post. So you stopped taking an AI because you’re e2 is too low, and are surprised it rose back up when you stopped the drug that is lowering your estrogen? How in anyway is that estrogen rebound and not just expected to happen?? Like 1+1=2. Take ai=lower E2 stop ai= e2 goes up.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

I took too much Adex because I felt too puffy once and it was the only time I’ve ever broken a bone other than a finger in my entire life. And it wasn’t a freak fall or incident that caused it. So I firmly believe that too high of a dose for several days made my bones extra brittle for at least a brief spell. Perhaps in low to moderate doses it doesn’t cause most people issues. But taking those kind of drugs really doesn’t sound like a healthy thing for adult males to be taking long term to me. My personal opinion is that TRT is totally safe long term at levels just below anything that requires the need for an AI.

I’m curious to hear what biological mechanism that you think caused this?

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

I’m curious to hear what biological mechanism that you think caused this?

Would not taking the AI cause this?

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Would not taking the AI cause this?

Brittle bones???

I’m trying to find out from him why doing something short-term like that would have such a significant effect on the body.

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

Brittle bones???

I’m trying to find out from him why doing something short-term like that would have such a significant effect on the body.

Ah I read the wrong post and responded incorrectly. My fault. Yeah Short term things do not happen like that, and if they did you would feel like absolute dogshit if your body degraded that quickly.

Was talking about the estrogen rebound.

 

[Brotato]

Only way “estrogen rebound” is a thing is when you still have excess test in your system that is converting when you stop the AI. It seems pretty common sense to me. I’ve never actually seen proof of the rebound people talk about. Bloods don’t really prove that estrogen rebound is a thing. Your estrogen is just high. It could be from a number of things. Most likely because you are still aromatising when you stop the AI.


Edit: so wait I just reread your post. So you stopped taking an AI because you’re e2 is too low, and are surprised it rose back up when you stopped the drug that is lowering your estrogen? How in anyway is that estrogen rebound and not just expected to happen?? Like 1+1=2. Take ai=lower E2 stop ai= e2 goes up.

i was feeling way too lazy to argue/explain it to him so thanks for that. his ai isn't dialed in and he crashed his e2. stopped the ai and was still taking exogenous test and aromatising. so it went back up.

not a rebound, just needs a dose adjustment.

estrogen rebound DOES NOT EXIST

 

[Rumpwrangler]

Brittle bones???

I’m trying to find out from him why doing something short-term like that would have such a significant effect on the body.

I believe it’s a common, listed side effect of letro and Adex IIRC. It took me a while to realize the bone I broke in my foot was likely caused in large part to taking way too much Adex to mitigate the puff and bloat caused by a poor diet on cycle. It’s been a long time since I studied these drugs but I remember that Aromasin was by far the best choice of them all for me to combat estro. And now I’m older and wise enough to mitigate the need for much AI at all. I don’t run heavy aromatizing compounds, high doses of anything and keep diet reasonably healthy.

 

[Rumpwrangler]

Yeah It Was very anecdotal. Im for sure going to be looking for a difference when I run it. I’m actually about to start a run with mast. I have a log I made a while outlining what ima do. Finally in a position to get nasty

I will say quality Mast makes a huge diffefence. I’ve probably used Mast from 10 different sources/labs and was only happy with 3-4. Maxtreme Pharma being the best. Those little amps were pure nectar and dried me up nicely with a major boost in the sex drive department. And I’m not sure I’ve ever had quality enanthate. I don’t even bother with anything but Mast prop now.

 

[The Terminator]

Brittle bones???

I’m trying to find out from him why doing something short-term like that would have such a significant effect on the body.

lol I thought that was weird too, loss of bone mass is something that happens gradually as the body cannot keep up with loss of minerals etc, not something that happens in a couple days.