So i just read in china when they reopened gyms they did this

The virus seems to kill obese patients which makes sense. It's a serious respiratory virus that fills a person lungs with mucus, the patient tires out and has to be put on a respirator.

For me it's very simple. Give everyone a 5 pack of 500mg Hydroxychloroquine or they can get the prophylactic 8 doses of 400mg where you take one a week for 8 weeks. Zpack and zinc.

The mode of action of this medication is something that actually works as it blocks the virus from attaching to the ace2 receptors on cells and decreases the pH of lysosomes in the cells making the cytoplasm more acidic.

The government like always tells you to trust your doctor and only do what these fuckers tell you to do. You don't have a brain, you can't think for yourself, always trust the authorities as they know best.

As for the constant beating of the drum telling us we need to get everyone tested. That's bullshit, that won't accomplish anything. Just give us the medication to treat ourselves, the worse that can happen is a few die from heart problems and some idiots might overdose and cause a retinopathy.
 
Saw this earlier, not sure I agree with the deep state stuff. Agreed with most of the rest of it
I hear you. I generally start to fade when people go I to the deep state talk. The rest makes plenty of sense. The hype didn't pan out like they thought it was, and maybe closing borders and some semblance of social distancing helped the general public out to some degree but it's certainly looking like the 'fix' is going to cause more damage than the 'problem'.

It's time to start integration back into the daily grind
 
Jesus Christ what a buncha paranoid conspiracy theorizing bulllshit.

I think if 1/2 you morons downplaying this contracted the fucking virus you’d have a different comment
 
I'm one that takes the virus seriously. Then again I have asthma and know what it's like to be in the emergency room gasping for air needing a breathing treatment and shot of adrenaline.

You can live without food and water for sometime, but you can't live without air for more than maybe 20, 30 minutes tops.

As for the country, I see idiots more worried about the economy than people. There's a way to balance the concerns of both, but when I see a dick cheese like Trump who is more worried about the economy because his hotel businesses lost shit loads of money, that pisses me off. We don't exist to serve fuckhead billionaires. I don't consider people canon fodder lining up to take their chance at death for $12/hr to make their masters richer.
 
What would have happened if we just let people keep gathering and infecting everyone. That’s the “curve,” right?

a spike in the curve means tens of thousands of people susceptible will need respiratory care. We can’t handle that. So people line up in parking lots to die.

Sad that a conspiratorial theorist denies this reality.
 
Say one million people died out of 7.6 billion, which by all accounts is a huge bump over projected death totals, is that cause enough to halt the world's economy?

80% of people put on ventilation die from this. I'm willing to bet that 20% success rate is almost exclusively under 55 years of age.

The seasonal flu, which is floating around like it always does this time of year, kills on average no less than 12000 people in the US (that was from back in 2010, so that minimum has gone up) The medical professionals have stopped counting flu deaths since this started. You can happily subtract, at a minimum, the aggregate flu deaths for the covid time frame (perceived start to end) from the death total. It's at least 12k. That's about half of the covid deaths.

Now, with all that being said, I have yet to hear someone grandstand that the virus isn't real and that it will not cause a large swath of death. What I'm hearing is the solution is causing more problems than the issue.

I agree with this.

There was talk about suicide rates and how they have been tracked in past situations like this. They spike, bigly. There was almost 50k suicides in 2018. How big of a jump do you suppose that'll make when people economic outlook shatter? When their personal relationships suffer because of this and they can't be rebuilt? When their business folds and dozens off families are depending on government hand outs to survive now?

That's just one angle. There are more. I believe in hindsight we will conclude that it wasn't the pandemic it was made out to be and how it was handled was wrong. You don't isolate those that are able to survive, you isolate the weak and wait for a vaccine. This is when mankind needs to realize this is life and people die. This is when we should be making the daily grind to work.

I'd happily be part of the death total to keep a good thing rolling. It's life.
 
Say one million people died out of 7.6 billion, which by all accounts is a huge bump over projected death totals, is that cause enough to halt the world's economy?

80% of people put on ventilation die from this. I'm willing to bet that 20% success rate is almost exclusively under 55 years of age.

The seasonal flu, which is floating around like it always does this time of year, kills on average no less than 12000 people in the US (that was from back in 2010, so that minimum has gone up) The medical professionals have stopped counting flu deaths since this started. You can happily subtract, at a minimum, the aggregate flu deaths for the covid time frame (perceived start to end) from the death total. It's at least 12k. That's about half of the covid deaths.

Now, with all that being said, I have yet to hear someone grandstand that the virus isn't real and that it will not cause a large swath of death. What I'm hearing is the solution is causing more problems than the issue.

I agree with this.

There was talk about suicide rates and how they have been tracked in past situations like this. They spike, bigly. There was almost 50k suicides in 2018. How big of a jump do you suppose that'll make when people economic outlook shatter? When their personal relationships suffer because of this and they can't be rebuilt? When their business folds and dozens off families are depending on government hand outs to survive now?

That's just one angle. There are more. I believe in hindsight we will conclude that it wasn't the pandemic it was made out to be and how it was handled was wrong. You don't isolate those that are able to survive, you isolate the weak and wait for a vaccine. This is when mankind needs to realize this is life and people die. This is when we should be making the daily grind to work.

I'd happily be part of the death total to keep a good thing rolling. It's life.
And fwiw, I was happily sounding the alarm about this virus months ago. Times change, facts change, so should perceptions
 
Say one million people died out of 7.6 billion, which by all accounts is a huge bump over projected death totals, is that cause enough to halt the world's economy?

80% of people put on ventilation die from this. I'm willing to bet that 20% success rate is almost exclusively under 55 years of age.

The seasonal flu, which is floating around like it always does this time of year, kills on average no less than 12000 people in the US (that was from back in 2010, so that minimum has gone up) The medical professionals have stopped counting flu deaths since this started. You can happily subtract, at a minimum, the aggregate flu deaths for the covid time frame (perceived start to end) from the death total. It's at least 12k. That's about half of the covid deaths.

Now, with all that being said, I have yet to hear someone grandstand that the virus isn't real and that it will not cause a large swath of death. What I'm hearing is the solution is causing more problems than the issue.

I agree with this.

There was talk about suicide rates and how they have been tracked in past situations like this. They spike, bigly. There was almost 50k suicides in 2018. How big of a jump do you suppose that'll make when people economic outlook shatter? When their personal relationships suffer because of this and they can't be rebuilt? When their business folds and dozens off families are depending on government hand outs to survive now?

That's just one angle. There are more. I believe in hindsight we will conclude that it wasn't the pandemic it was made out to be and how it was handled was wrong. You don't isolate those that are able to survive, you isolate the weak and wait for a vaccine. This is when mankind needs to realize this is life and people die. This is when we should be making the daily grind to work.

I'd happily be part of the death total to keep a good thing rolling. It's life.

The really big part of the "mishandling" I refer to isn't really the mindless lockdown antics of our local governments. The response that is doing the most harm to people is the $8T (eight TRILLION) in bank and corporate bailouts being created from nothing while the individuals who will ultimately pay the price for that inflation (that would be we citizens) get at best a $1200 check we are expected to immediately spend to prop up the failing economies and sooth our raw backsides.

Virus or no virus, we have been royally fucked, and as I like to keep pointing out, all most of us are doing is cowering in our homes from a virus that may or may not be any worse than the seasonal flu.
 
The response that is doing the most harm to people is the $8T (eight TRILLION) in bank and corporate bailouts being created from nothing while the individuals who will ultimately pay the price for that inflation
want to have your mind blown? Imagine if that was used to pay down the residential mortgages in the country? Specifically those that live in the house they own, not rental units. Talk about an economic boost. The amount of free flowing capital would be unreal, imo. Screenshot_20200414-082141.png
 
There will always be another bank, cruise ship line and cell phone manufacturer ready to spend money. I agree that they don't need a bailout. They need working employees
 
In regards to Sweden:

1- they’re still early in their curve

2- they’re smarter and more socially responsible so they didn’t have to be ordered to sequester. They are doing it because they know they need to. They are still sequestering and social distancing

Look at italy with their lack of seriousness. Huge death rate. Germany did it right and tested everyone and has a very low death rate.
 
want to have your mind blown? Imagine if that was used to pay down the residential mortgages in the country? Specifically those that live in the house they own, not rental units. Talk about an economic boost. The amount of free flowing capital would be unreal, imo. View attachment 128540

Actually, if you paid off all the consumer debt, the US dollar would collapse practically overnight. Fractional reserve banking is a Ponzi scheme predicated on ever increasing debt, because debt is literally used as money. If you pay it off, the money is gone, and the gig is up.

There would definitely be an unreal amount of free flowing cash, but the actual capital (real stuff) in the system wouldn't change. It would be cheaper to wipe your ass with cash than to buy toilet paper.
 
In regards to Sweden:

1- they’re still early in their curve

2- they’re smarter and more socially responsible so they didn’t have to be ordered to sequester. They are doing it because they know they need to. They are still sequestering and social distancing

Look at italy with their lack of seriousness. Huge death rate. Germany did it right and tested everyone and has a very low death rate.
I know it's an opinion type of thing but it's not worth the economic downturn. People gotta die sometimes. Like I wrote, id take the chance and let the chips fall where they may.

Falling victim to circumstances and ending up a failed statistic in a Malcolm Gladwell book aint on my dance card for this lifetime.

The numbers don't justify the means. It should be opened back up for those that want to live life and loans can be taken by those that want to stay inside until it's over. Low interest, obviously :) it's good enough for businesses, should be good enough for the people.

Actually, if you paid off all the consumer debt, the US dollar would collapse practically overnight. Fractional reserve banking is a Ponzi scheme predicated on ever increasing debt, because debt is literally used as money. If you pay it off, the money is gone, and the gig is up.

There would definitely be an unreal amount of free flowing cash, but the actual capital (real stuff) in the system wouldn't change. It would be cheaper to wipe your ass with cash than to buy toilet paper.
Fuck, I was thinking about buying quads and pontoon boats. Gas is cheap my friend.
 
In regards to Sweden:

1- they’re still early in their curve

2- they’re smarter and more socially responsible so they didn’t have to be ordered to sequester. They are doing it because they know they need to. They are still sequestering and social distancing

Look at italy with their lack of seriousness. Huge death rate. Germany did it right and tested everyone and has a very low death rate.

Italy is full of old people and gets trounced every year by the seasonal flu. Germany counted the deaths of only those who died of the virus. We could do this all day, but you're going to believe what you want.
 
Italy flouted reason

Germany tracked asymptomatic carriers also. They tested everyone.

one country took it seriously.
 
Curious what anyone thinks about the food shortages. Pork is going to be scarce. Eggs are in low supply, as is milk.

if we let all the churchie people and conspiracy theorists do as they want, we’d be in a much worse hole than we’re in now.

and that smells like a worse long term economic issue to me
 
What church are you talking about, the one on TV presenting a single mindless message and facilitating the lock down of the people who usually manage the supply lines of those things now in short supply. Or the one that is on the front lines trying to help the people in need? As far as conspiracies are concerned, there is theory and there is fact.

 
Jesus Christ what a buncha paranoid conspiracy theorizing bulllshit.

I think if 1/2 you morons downplaying this contracted the fucking virus you’d have a different comment
Pretty sure my entire family and many friends already had it. We’re all waiting for antibody testing. Never been sick like that before, and the breathing problems were very odd. Kids were better off than the wife and I. As a healthy 41 year old I would say it was slightly worse than the flu which I had a month before that, but the panic is overblown for healthy people.

Edit: went to the doctor for this as well when I was in the thick of it. Was told “unknown virus and respiratory infection” along with sinus and both ears infected (which I’m highly prone to).
 

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