malfeasance
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Ironically, requiring a signature, which makes everybody so nervous, would remove one of the factors they use to detect contraband in the first place.
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malfeasance
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Every court case involving contraband in the mail reads pretty much the same way. The postal inspectors and police are trained to look for certain things. By the way, they have police assigned to Fed Ex and UPS distribution facilities, too, not just USPS.
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RGL90
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Bro your trippin , I, I mean I know someone who worked for ups ,package handling , u know how many packages come down the belt and I rattle it and it’s obviously pills inside , People’s prescriptions , thousands of packages a day , the belt does not stop to check no damn packages , no one there gives a shit half of them are high themselves and some are looking to steal yo shit, there’s defiantly no law enforcement around at 3am . Only packages that get stopped are leakers and something that got destroyed ( opened ) coming down the belt , people are numb to seeing boxes , it’s not even a topic of conversation there . But keep scaring people , I don’t know how it is at USPS but I’m sure it’s same rate of high volume , and if your package gets picked it’s because they picked up on it way before the parcel center
RGL90
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It’s a time thing , if those trucks aren’t out by 9am someone is getting there ass chewed , it’s a speed and time gaming e , no ones taking time to line out 30 damn boxes with a fucking k9 every night . Trust me , this is ups I’m talking about though . All about speed and volume and numbers here , not take your time and look for suspicious packages lmao
malfeasance
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You can quite literally read the court cases involving private courier distribution centers and police. This isn't some state secret or me just musing about hypotheticals. I am just providing the information, not creating it.
malfeasance
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Also a UPS facility case involving the DEA:
At approximately 5:30 p.m., a white cardboard box caught Detective Sloan's attention as he watched packages pass by on a conveyer belt. Detective Sloan believed that the package might contain contraband because it had been sent through third party shipping, the sender had only used a first name, all openings on the box were heavily taped with a clear tape, and the box was solid so that no side of it could be compressed. Detective Sloan testified that he suspected the box was filled with a type of foam that expands and hardens once it is put in the box, a characteristic that he believed, based on his experience as a narcotics detective, indicated that the box contained contraband.
The package was taken off the conveyer belt and placed next to a wall behind Detective Sloan. Special Agent Donald Rowden,3 also part of the interdiction operations, noticed the same suspicious characteristics of the package and decided to conduct a test to see if a narcotics dog would alert to the package. Special Agent Rowden took the package to a parking lot off UPS property and set the package on the ground with four other controlled packages that were placed about three feet apart and placed a plastic milk crate over each package. Special Agent Rowden then directed a narcotics dog, Clause,4 to sniff the packages. Clause positively alerted to the package that had been targeted by Rowden and Sloan for the presence of narcotics. Due to the way Clause alerted to the package, Special Agent Rowden was certain the package contained narcotics. Special Agent Rowden returned the package to Detective Sloan and advised him that he wanted to hold the package to write an application for a search warrant based on the probable cause of the narcotics dog alert.5 Special Agent Rowden called his office and told an assistant to pull up a statement of probable cause and to stay at the office because they were going to return with a package and "write a warrant" on it.
Detective Sloan took the package and placed it behind him on the floor next to the wall. Subsequently, a UPS employee, April Denning, arrived on the scene. According to Denning's testimony, a conversation was initiated by Detective Sloan who told her that a narcotics dog had alerted to the package and "stated that they couldn't tell me to open the package, they were not authorized to do that, they would have to have a search warrant, but he pointed to where the package was." A couple of minutes later, another officer again told Denning, "I cannot tell you to not open the package, but there it is on the floor."
United States of America, Plaintiff -appellee, v. Larry Souza, Defendant - Appellant, 223 F.3d 1197 (10th Cir. 2000)
At approximately 5:30 p.m., a white cardboard box caught Detective Sloan's attention as he watched packages pass by on a conveyer belt. Detective Sloan believed that the package might contain contraband because it had been sent through third party shipping, the sender had only used a first name, all openings on the box were heavily taped with a clear tape, and the box was solid so that no side of it could be compressed. Detective Sloan testified that he suspected the box was filled with a type of foam that expands and hardens once it is put in the box, a characteristic that he believed, based on his experience as a narcotics detective, indicated that the box contained contraband.
The package was taken off the conveyer belt and placed next to a wall behind Detective Sloan. Special Agent Donald Rowden,3 also part of the interdiction operations, noticed the same suspicious characteristics of the package and decided to conduct a test to see if a narcotics dog would alert to the package. Special Agent Rowden took the package to a parking lot off UPS property and set the package on the ground with four other controlled packages that were placed about three feet apart and placed a plastic milk crate over each package. Special Agent Rowden then directed a narcotics dog, Clause,4 to sniff the packages. Clause positively alerted to the package that had been targeted by Rowden and Sloan for the presence of narcotics. Due to the way Clause alerted to the package, Special Agent Rowden was certain the package contained narcotics. Special Agent Rowden returned the package to Detective Sloan and advised him that he wanted to hold the package to write an application for a search warrant based on the probable cause of the narcotics dog alert.5 Special Agent Rowden called his office and told an assistant to pull up a statement of probable cause and to stay at the office because they were going to return with a package and "write a warrant" on it.
Detective Sloan took the package and placed it behind him on the floor next to the wall. Subsequently, a UPS employee, April Denning, arrived on the scene. According to Denning's testimony, a conversation was initiated by Detective Sloan who told her that a narcotics dog had alerted to the package and "stated that they couldn't tell me to open the package, they were not authorized to do that, they would have to have a search warrant, but he pointed to where the package was." A couple of minutes later, another officer again told Denning, "I cannot tell you to not open the package, but there it is on the floor."
United States of America, Plaintiff -appellee, v. Larry Souza, Defendant - Appellant, 223 F.3d 1197 (10th Cir. 2000)
Had a pack damaged all to hell and leaking, it was sent empty in a bag with a notice of damage and nothing inside. Sometimes small boxes get stuck at the end of the belt and crushed, especially if they're heavier. You don't want a source that crams things to the rim in 1 box on a larger order. You want it bagged and sealed also once it's put inside a box. But I'm telling you first hand that I've seen a $1000+ order still sent to a recipient with entire boxed damaged and opened up. Many or the employees are idiots who don't know exactly what it is or they just throw it away once damaged.
RunTrenFckTens
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Send it to @SteroidsBro. He needs it in the Pen. Ran out of Tren to IV. Send help!
Red_subbottom
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Some good information in this report. On page 5 too.
https://www.uspsoig.gov/sites/default/files/document-library-files/2020/19-014-R20.pdf
https://www.uspsoig.gov/sites/default/files/document-library-files/2020/19-014-R20.pdf
malfeasance
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Thanks for adding more info. As for page 5, that's almost 10%!!!!
Note also footnote 4
GOLDS99
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I like the way you operate. very nice.
Barbellsquad
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They always deliver to my door. It depends how good are your source shipping agents. Trial and error finding a good source.
malfeasance
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A year later, I was opining here the ANP program would not result in steroids discovered being used for criminal prosecution, but check out this note in the report you link:
"Per Postal Inspection Service ANP program policy,5 the Postal Inspection Service is not to use contents seized under the ANP program in criminal prosecutions. This restriction is the result of Postal Inspection Service legal analysis and its consideration of the plain view doctrine.6 However, information from mail pieces, such as addresses, that are opened through the ANP may be used to support new or ongoing criminal investigations."
So you certainly get on their radar screen.
One thing to consider is how secure your mail will be in an apt setting. Are the little boxes lined up in rows next to one another? Is your box so small only envelopes will fit. Will the mail carrier leave the box at your door if you aren't home?
This has nothing to do with LE. This has to do with the other human beings around you. I would feel my pkg's are going to have a better chance of getting to me in a box I rent from a UPS store or the like.
MisterSuperGod
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i have my gear delivered straight to my local sheriff's department. i check the tracking 30x a day and once i see that the pack has landed i go full air lats and mean face through the front door of the cop shop and pick up my shit.
They know when they see copious amounts of daylight in between my arms and back that i mean business and they respect me for it. Never had an issue yet.
They know when they see copious amounts of daylight in between my arms and back that i mean business and they respect me for it. Never had an issue yet.
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