Who here has made the choice of never having kids?

[Francois]

His arguments here totally make sense.. you could not agree with them, but thats his point of view and exactly mine... i personally dont like this kind of attention... dont think even Francois loves to be considered a weird person just because like me dont love human existence.
I would love to be a hawk, an eagle, a lion, a wolf, and i think i would share the life experience with another living being that I brought to life... assuming i could reason being an animal... i would like to bring him to life because it would be a great experience... but the odds that human life would be so great are way lower than eagles etc ones.

simply, i dont care if you think me and Francois are sick/mad/whatever... maybe you all need to think that to reinforce the genuinity of your point of view... neither me or Francois have felt the need to point out your love feeling to life and judge you... we just exposed our thoughts, because OP asked... i wont judge you because you love life and you dont feel bad about evil people and ugly life dynamics.. power to you all... ask yourself why you re judging our counter current thinking.. I couldnt care less about judgin who s happy about life... don t give a shit about life and about the fact some love it..

I love sex... skydiving... food.. bodybuilding.. and i dont like people who make other suffer.. i hate war... i hate dictators.. i hate the modern slavery and old one.. i hate a lot of things that prevent me to love human life...

I grew up as a punk, I had my small collection of close friends, but most kids thought my ideas didn't conform to socially accepted norms. I'm the 5 year that asked if god made us then who made god. I was annoying and was taken to see a psychiatrist and get an EEG.

The doctor told my parents there's nothing wrong with this kid, he just doesn't feel like talking to you.

There are those people that take a look around and start asking questions, we like to poke things with a stick and see why this/instead of that. The older I became the worse it got, I couldn't do anything without asking quietly why the "F" am I doing this, why do any of us care to have to do any of this bullshit?

Like Frozen I to think it would be better to be an Eagle, flying around, lawless, swooping down on my food and flying away without a care in the world.

Consciousness is probably an evolutionary mistake, I mean programming something to survive makes sense, giving you a consciousness to realize how fucked up it is to be alive sometimes could backfire from natures point of view.

 

[Francois]

If my arguments don't convince you, maybe this will.

Nature is cruel, don't help it be cruel, use birth control please.

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

I grew up as a punk, I had my small collection of close friends, but most kids thought my ideas didn't conform to socially accepted norms. I'm the 5 year that asked if god made us then who made god. I was annoying and was taken to see a psychiatrist and get an EEG.

The doctor told my parents there's nothing wrong with this kid, he just doesn't feel like talking to you.

There are those people that take a look around and start asking questions, we like to poke things with a stick and see why this/instead of that. The older I became the worse it got, I couldn't do anything without asking quietly why the "F" am I doing this, why do any of us care to have to do any of this bullshit?

Like Frozen I to think it would be better to be an Eagle, flying around, lawless, swooping down on my food and flying away without a care in the world.

Consciousness is probably an evolutionary mistake, I mean programming something to survive makes sense, giving you a consciousness to realize how fucked up it is to be alive sometimes could backfire from natures point of view.

Yeah but i dont think consciousness is the t real problem. I can accept the life sense, as a pantheis. Ok we re matter that just became self consciousness.. and im ok with the fact i wont understand how atoms can do what they do, how apparently dead matter can lead to “a soul”... i can skip that part and enjoy the cool things of life. But i cant when i think about how fuckin shitty is the human being. The person who torture animals, the chinese that makes dogs and kids suffer and so on, dont wanna focus on evil we have on this unfortunate planet. I hate seeing that the final step of chemical and physical laws is to feel the pain... mental and physical pain... I just think about the “witches” Being burned alive , i think about Nazi, about Koreans, about Americans vs natives, about fuckin Muslims... and i become sad... if bad people wouldn exhist i would be happy about helping people, growing as a man, enjoy my passions etc.. so that not that consciousness or metaphysical problems that prevent me to love this world. I do Capoeira with some Brazilian guys, Capoeira was born to train to fight fuckin slaver, disguised as a “dance”... imagine seeing your mom being whipped by a fuckin portuguese son of a bitch.. or imagine being in that fuckin shitty dubai and cannot kiss a girl on the street or in a club.. or being whipped and feel incredible pain just because you have been blasphemous... imagine seeing fuckin commie irrupting in your house and fuckin your little daughter... and so on.. everything i said has happened... and the list of horrors is incredible long... so, i dont wanna put a son in this shitty planed full of psychos and pieces of shit...
and if you love life and wanna have kids is just because you carry the genes to develop some instincts that has kept life carryin on.. so, a world like this exhists because of what you call “normal people”.. Not thanks to people who hates to bring suffering..

Anyway, @Francois , i would love to hear your opinion on this : my biggest fear is that “we” as just selfconscious matter, will “live” for ever and ever in this no time and space fuckin universe.. without even being conscious about it of course.. universe will expand more and more till its collapse, than another big bang and will keep going... i would be just leave the universe and dont have anything to do with life fuckin never... but I think “we” are all damned...

fuck , next life maybe “I” (as a piece of universe) would be an average Joe or a fuckin stupid women.. And i hate that... i would run out of the universe and dont being brought to life any fuckin more... but thats not possible for sure..

 

[Whopperflopper]

After doing many of the the things in life I wanted too, including a 14 year childless marriage, I was bored with the daily grind. The marriage split up for no particular reasons. At the age of 40 my girlfriend became pregnant, these things happen. She didn't want to be a mother she was 28. I'm the proud single parent of a wonderful Son who thinks every thing of me. 9 years ago I made the choice he would have a chance, however slim it may be. I have raised him right and soon he will have choices of his own. Im happy and proud. I keep him pointed in the right direction and he does just fine. Eagles, Turkeys, Rats, Guinea pigs, no, he wants to be a kid. When you work all day and get home, and the front door opens wildly with a boy exclaiming brightly, DADDY! I can't explain the way it lifts me up. I'll gladly suffer through the day until I get home.
If your not happy with being born, dig a hole in the forest, shove a pinecone in your ass, and cover yourself up. You will come back as a majestic Pine tree.

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

After doing many of the the things in life I wanted too, including a 14 year childless marriage, I was bored with the daily grind. The marriage split up for no particular reasons. At the age of 40 my girlfriend became pregnant, these things happen. She didn't want to be a mother she was 28. I'm the proud single parent of a wonderful Son who thinks every thing of me. 9 years ago I made the choice he would have a chance, however slim it may be. I have raised him right and soon he will have choices of his own. Im happy and proud. I keep him pointed in the right direction and he does just fine. Eagles, Turkeys, Rats, Guinea pigs, no, he wants to be a kid. When you work all day and get home, and the front door opens wildly with a boy exclaiming brightly, DADDY! I can't explain the way it lifts me up. I'll gladly suffer through the day until I get home.
If your not happy with being born, dig a hole in the forest, shove a pinecone in your ass, and cover yourself up. You will come back as a majestic Pine tree.

ahahaha that last part its fuckin hilarious man... anyway I respect you a lot.. I would have made the same, that fuckin woman has abandoned him... why she didnt want to abort if she didnt want to be a mom? Because you didnt agree? Its eveytime all about her, not about what the man want.
Youre a great man, Kudos to you. Your child should know how an amazing and courageous dad you are. Did that girl even see him? Or she didnt care a fuck?

 

[Francois]

Yeah but i dont think consciousness is the t real problem. I can accept the life sense, as a pantheis. Ok we re matter that just became self consciousness.. and im ok with the fact i wont understand how atoms can do what they do, how apparently dead matter can lead to “a soul”... i can skip that part and enjoy the cool things of life. But i cant when i think about how fuckin shitty is the human being. The person who torture animals, the chinese that makes dogs and kids suffer and so on, dont wanna focus on evil we have on this unfortunate planet. I hate seeing that the final step of chemical and physical laws is to feel the pain... mental and physical pain... I just think about the “witches” Being burned alive , i think about Nazi, about Koreans, about Americans vs natives, about fuckin Muslims... and i become sad... if bad people wouldn exhist i would be happy about helping people, growing as a man, enjoy my passions etc.. so that not that consciousness or metaphysical problems that prevent me to love this world. I do Capoeira with some Brazilian guys, Capoeira was born to train to fight fuckin slaver, disguised as a “dance”... imagine seeing your mom being whipped by a fuckin portuguese son of a bitch.. or imagine being in that fuckin shitty dubai and cannot kiss a girl on the street or in a club.. or being whipped and feel incredible pain just because you have been blasphemous... imagine seeing fuckin commie irrupting in your house and fuckin your little daughter... and so on.. everything i said has happened... and the list of horrors is incredible long... so, i dont wanna put a son in this shitty planed full of psychos and pieces of shit...
and if you love life and wanna have kids is just because you carry the genes to develop some instincts that has kept life carryin on.. so, a world like this exhists because of what you call “normal people”.. Not thanks to people who hates to bring suffering..

Anyway, @Francois , i would love to hear your opinion on this : my biggest fear is that “we” as just selfconscious matter, will “live” for ever and ever in this no time and space fuckin universe.. without even being conscious about it of course.. universe will expand more and more till its collapse, than another big bang and will keep going... i would be just leave the universe and dont have anything to do with life fuckin never... but I think “we” are all damned...

fuck , next life maybe “I” (as a piece of universe) would be an average Joe or a fuckin stupid women.. And i hate that... i would run out of the universe and dont being brought to life any fuckin more... but thats not possible for sure..

First of all we are drowning in information, we are flooded with images (on purpose) to get us to continue to feed on anger and violence to get our dopamine fix.

Some people, groups of people have walked away from the concerns of life, they cast off their belongings, left their material possessions behind and this is a huge leap for many people because we are like chimps attached to toys. The toys or objects that we accumulate seem to make us feel more secure, insulated, when we hold them they acknowledge that we are alive.

A society that is built on consumption of resources, whether that be land, or people(labor/fertility). Is going to have those that have plenty, those that have what they need and those that want to take it all for themselves.

With this comes murder, genocide, barbarity, savage disregard for everything around you as you fight to get what you want.

At this point in history it's less violent then it was say a thousand years ago, we came from murderers, rapist, robbers. We have shut down some of that instinct, but now it's mostly competition to see who can rise to the top by exploiting those around you. It's more of a quite form of barbarity, mostly mental torture to see who will crack first.

 

[flenser]

I just want to point out that Pareto's Principle applies to evolution quite nicely. In effect, geneticists have shown that historically roughly 80% of the children are produced by 20% of the males. In evolutionary terms, the 20% are the alpha males. It doesn't care about social justice, or even how much you lift. If you don't produce, you don't count : )

 

[Francois]

I just want to point out that Pareto's Principle applies to evolution quite nicely. In effect, geneticists have shown that historically roughly 80% of the children are produced by 20% of the males. In evolutionary terms, the 20% are the alpha males. It doesn't care about social justice, or even how much you lift. If you don't produce, you don't count : )

The question is who are they to establish this hard fast rule "if you don't produce you don't count".

I could say if you don't give me a blowjob you don't count. I mean they just pulled it our of their ass.

Count to who? The universe doesn't give a single shit about any of us, the hubble telescope proved there are billions of galaxies, trillions of stars. We are hairs on a nats ass, the pomposity of anyone to say if you don't do x,y,z then you don't count?

It's all crazy, it's all relative, there is no absolutes, it's all made up by man.

Eventually the universe becomes absolute nothing, granted it will take trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion years, but it will happen eventually. After that happens, who counts?

 

[flenser]

The question is who are they to establish this hard fast rule "if you don't produce you don't count".

I could say if you don't give me a blowjob you don't count. I mean they just pulled it our of their ass.

Count to who? The universe doesn't give a single shit about any of us, the hubble telescope proved there are billions of galaxies, trillions of stars. We are hairs on a nats ass, the pomposity of anyone to say if you don't do x,y,z then you don't count?

It's all crazy, it's all relative, there is no absolutes, it's all made up by man.

Eventually the universe becomes absolute nothing, granted it will take trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion years, but it will happen eventually. After that happens, who counts?

Now you're a Nihilist? And no, I won't give you a blow job.

 

[Francois]

I just want to point out that Pareto's Principle applies to evolution quite nicely. In effect, geneticists have shown that historically roughly 80% of the children are produced by 20% of the males. In evolutionary terms, the 20% are the alpha males. It doesn't care about social justice, or even how much you lift. If you don't produce, you don't count : )

Societies definition of who an alpha male is continues to change. A nerd with asthma that makes $50 million a year is now alpha.....a thousand years ago that guy would have died in child birth.

Alpha is completely arbitrary label. It could mean you're strong, smart, have a big cock. What it really means is that females find you desirable for some reason and from my experience it all comes down to resources so she can nest and fart out babies.

That said, I'm thankful that many of the most brilliant men in history were without children. Isaac Newton perhaps the most brilliant man that walked the earth was weird as fuck, but smart as hell and no kids.

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

The question is who are they to establish this hard fast rule "if you don't produce you don't count".

I could say if you don't give me a blowjob you don't count. I mean they just pulled it our of their ass.

Count to who? The universe doesn't give a single shit about any of us, the hubble telescope proved there are billions of galaxies, trillions of stars. We are hairs on a nats ass, the pomposity of anyone to say if you don't do x,y,z then you don't count?

It's all crazy, it's all relative, there is no absolutes, it's all made up by man.

Eventually the universe becomes absolute nothing, granted it will take trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion years, but it will happen eventually. After that happens, who counts?

gravity will collapse and another Big Bang will arise, i fear.. trillions of quadrillions of gingazillions of years equals to 0 when the matter is immortal.. time is always relative to something... the only real scenario is that matter has always exhisted.. since from NOTHING, belongs nothing.. nothing means nothing.. no even an electron or a place where you can bring something to..

@Francois give me your thoughts about my question to you on my previous post... why are you dodgin it?

 

[flenser]

Societies definition of who an alpha male is continues to change. A nerd with asthma that makes $50 million a year is now alpha.....a thousand years ago that guy would have died in child birth.

Alpha is completely arbitrary label. It could mean you're strong, smart, have a big cock. What it really means is that females find you desirable for some reason and from my experience it all comes down to resources so she can nest and fart out babies.

That said, I'm thankful that many of the most brilliant men in history were without children. Isaac Newton perhaps the most brilliant man that walked the earth was weird as fuck, but smart as hell and no kids.

Did you miss where I wrote, "in evolutionary terms"?

Edit: I meant to respond to this quote in particular, but you tend to generate comments faster than I can reload meso.

The question is who are they to establish this hard fast rule "if you don't produce you don't count".

 

[Francois]

Now you're a Nihilist? And no, I won't give you a blow job.

Existential Nihilism Pessimism Absurdism. It all seems to be the direction I always go back to because it isn't afraid of reality and doesn't whisper sweet nothings in my ears.

 

[Francois]

Did you miss where I wrote, "in evolutionary terms"?

Okay sure, this evolution has changed over time to adapt, to take advantage of what is preferred. However is this preferred by women or by something outside of us like nature.

At this point we have constructed our own reality, we no longer live by the rules of nature. Well we sort of do, but we have come to a point where we have defeated nature to suit our needs in many cases.

There are plenty of alpha males that produce retard babies, so it sort of kills the idea that alpha males have alpha sperm.

 

[flenser]

Okay sure, this evolution has changed over time to adapt, to take advantage of what is preferred. However is this preferred by women or by something outside of us like nature.

At this point we have constructed our own reality, we no longer live by the rules of nature. Well we sort of do, but we have come to a point where we have defeated nature to suit our needs in many cases.

There are plenty of alpha males that produce retard babies, so it sort of kills the idea that alpha males have alpha sperm.

Hmm, not only are you completely delusional about creating "our own reality", but you completely missed the point. Anyway, your last line is denying the antecedent.

 

[Francois]

Anyway, @Francois , i would love to hear your opinion on this : my biggest fear is that “we” as just selfconscious matter, will “live” for ever and ever in this no time and space fuckin universe.. without even being conscious about it of course.. universe will expand more and more till its collapse, than another big bang and will keep going... i would be just leave the universe and dont have anything to do with life fuckin never... but I think “we” are all damned...

fuck , next life maybe “I” (as a piece of universe) would be an average Joe or a fuckin stupid women.. And i hate that... i would run out of the universe and dont being brought to life any fuckin more... but thats not possible for sure..

If this is the question you're asking. I have never seen anything to support the idea of the supernatural, you'd have to have matter or an elemental particle like a photon to store data if you wanted me to go on living as stored information. I think afterlife is a coping mechanism for a conscious being that has invested so much into life that he can't bare the finality of death. Also it's cultural, those with the same religion feel comfortable and trust one another if they have the same crazy ideas.

Atheist like myself are loathed, mistrusted and scorned by most, but we have are own little clubs and snarky conversations when no one is looking.

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

If this is the question you're asking. I have never seen anything to support the idea of the supernatural, you'd have to have matter or an elemental particle like a photon to store data if you wanted me to go on living as stored information. I think afterlife is a coping mechanism for a conscious being that has invested so much into life that he can't bare the finality of death. Also it's cultural, those with the same religion feel comfortable and trust one another if they have the same crazy ideas.

Atheist like myself are loathed, mistrusted and scorned by most, but we have are own little clubs and snarky conversations when no one is looking.

no i dont think about afterlife... its difficult to explain what i mean.. “you” are alive, a conscious “soul” because you are made of matter... and matter becomes alive... matter becomes what we can call “a soul”.. a living being with emotions.. i just dont think that “me” as a soul, a living being that feels emotions, can exhist for 70-80 years in a infinite space time... so i believe that we as matter of the universe, are doomed to being alive under lof of different ways... without awareness of it.. with different intellects etc.. different everything... so i dont speak about afterlife of a specific person.. i m not speaking about reincarnation... maybe when you ll close your eyes as a francois, another soul will open his eyes as a dog/child/ whatever.. but once you die it cant be over.. so you as a part of universe will, not you as a specific soul, will be rebrought to life, somehow, for ever and ever

 

[Francois]

Hmm, not only are you completely delusional about creating "our own reality", but you completely missed the point. Anyway, your last line is denying the antecedent.

I've never stated that I wanted to create my own reality.

That said someone else doesn't get to decide reality either, that includes Pareto's Principle, that can be used to fit to data, but it doesn't mean the math is the true bases of for that realty.

I can use all sorts of math to fit to everything around me. Ultimately math is nothing more than a mental construct and how do you know for sure any of your senses are sensing correctly?

Why bring up Pareto's Principle, what was the importance of alpha males.

Alpha males with retard sperm. Yeah I made that statement because it happens.

 

[Francois]

no i dont think about afterlife... its difficult to explain what i mean.. “you” are alive, a conscious “soul” because you are made of matter... and matter becomes alive... matter becomes what we can call “a soul”.. a living being with emotions.. i just dont think that “me” as a soul, a living being that feels emotions, can exhist for 70-80 years in a infinite space time... so i believe that we as matter of the universe, are doomed to being alive under lof of different ways... without awareness of it.. with different intellects etc.. different everything... so i dont speak about afterlife of a specific person.. i m not speaking about reincarnation... maybe when you ll close your eyes as a francois, another soul will open his eyes as a dog/child/ whatever.. but once you die it cant be over.. so you as a part of universe will, not you as a specific soul, will be rebrought to life, somehow, for ever and ever

There is nothing in you called a soul. If I hit you in the head with a hammer and damage your brain, turn you into a veggie, then you as we knew you as Frozen would no longer exist. Your soul the immaterial, wouldn't animate your body(the material) and compensate for your cognitive damage via the hammer.

The idea of a soul has been around for thousands of years, some call it a spirit. Really it's not a problem, until you have religions that tell you your soul is going to be burned in hell for eternity for not obeying that priest that wants to stick his dick in your ass.

 

[flenser]

I've never stated that I wanted to create my own reality.

No, you said, "At this point we have constructed our own reality, we no longer live by the rules of nature". I said that you are delusional about creating our own reality.

That said someone else doesn't get to decide reality either, that includes Pareto's Principle, that can be used to fit to data, but it doesn't mean the math is the true bases of for that realty.

Your dismissal of math fits in well with your logical fallacies. Pareto's Principle is not "someone else", and decides nothing. And if you have something better than math to model reality, I would be interested.

I can use all sorts of math to fit to everything around me. Ultimately math is nothing more than a mental construct and how do you know for sure any of your senses are sensing correctly?

That is completely false. Mathematical laws and theorems are discovered, not invented. Not even God can change the nature of math.

Why bring up Pareto's Principle, what was the importance of alpha males.

It is the basis of the point I was making. The importance of alpha males on a bodybuilding forum should have been obvious, but I guess not.

Alpha males with retard sperm. Yeah I made that statement because it happens.

But it doesn't support your conclusion.