I would like to know what those of you who support trump will do when he loses the election?

Id like to think a certain majority of the ppl who vote democrat are doing so simply to oppose POTUS. That in my mind is fine. They dont like him, whatever. Thats the American way. I cant find much fault in that.

What is also included in that vote for Democrat is unapologetic socialism and an assault on the American way of life and really in the end freedom. Thats not OK. Id like to think they arent doing this on purpose and its just a hatred for Trump. Because i cannot comprehend how a free will American would purposely shit on the sole thing that makes this land so damn great. But i feel like im talking to a wall. And that big dumb ignorant wall is gonna lead to a place nobody wants to go. And when that happens their is no going back. Many good patriotic, passionate Americans will give their blood to ensure we remain free and that the Bill of Rights and the Constitution remain upheld. All because of a Big Dumb Ignorant Wall that refuses to hear anything
I feel just as strongly about casting a vote for the party that I have supported most of my adult life. I can think of many reasons why I would rather see some other candidate for president other than Biden, but as much as I disagree with him politically, I see Trump as a greater threat. I'm not going to try to list all of my considerations. It comes down to what scenario is worse for this country.

You see a Biden presidency as a socialist/ Marxist takeover. I think you believe that. I disagree with you. If I felt as strongly as you, I would probably hold my nose and vote for Trump as dangerous as I think that would be, but more likely than not there will not be much of a change if Biden wins. The balance of power in government will prevent that. The high court will lean conservative for the next several generations.

Either way we are in for some troubling times as a country. After this election I think the GOP will more carefully consider their candidate and not give the people a choice like we now have.
 
Now im really confused.
Your the author of this thread. A thread political and devisive in nature. A thread you started.
This is very strange Paul. To act in this manner. It makes zero sense
My question was to see how trumps base would react when this election is over. Will there be a peaceful transition of power. I think that question has been answered.

I don't think it will be peaceful. At best the Republican base will think there has been a socialist takeover, or if the GOP is successful in their attempts at voter suppression, the majority of Americans will feel we have a illegitimate president.

If trump wins the election in the electoral college and loses the popular vote as badly as it looks he will, there will be trouble in this country like we have never seen.
 




Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

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10m

“You see it in enthusiasm for the President outside Walter Reed Hospital. You see it in Registrations, from Florida to Pennsylvania & West Virginia, where Republicans are outstripping Democrats by 2 to 1. If the President bounces back onto the campaign trail, he will be an....

.invincible hero, who not only survived every dirty trick the Democrats threw at him, but the Chinese virus as well. He will show America we no longer have to be afraid.” mdevine@nypost.com Thank you Miranda. Was over until the Plague came in from China. Will win anyway!

https://nypost.com/2020/10/04/coronavirus-battle-shows-the-bravery-of-president-trump-devine/
 
Hey @Big_paul - interested to hear your take on this

About Joe Biden -
During WW2 our submarines could dive to a depth of 350 feet. The Japanese believed around 150 feet was their depth limit and would set their depth charges to that depth or less. Then a US Congressman, Andrew May, visited Pearl Harbor and when he got home told the media “our subs can dive to 350 feet”. Most of the subs we lost during WW2 were lost after the senator shot his mouth off. Moving forward to current times, read this and never forget this about Joe Biden: When he was the Vice President, he did the most unthinkable thing for a man in his position. He revealed the unit that killed Bin Laden on May 3, 2011, at a national event in Washington, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. did the unthinkable - He publicly revealed the identity of the special-operations unit responsible for bin Laden’s killing, just to show that he "is in the know”. His reckless action put at risk the lives of every member of Seal Team 6. The Taliban and other jihadists eager to avenge bin Laden now knew which unit to target. Stunned and shocked, Seal Team Six members immediately realized they were going to be hunted by al Qaeda sympathizers. Soon after Biden’s reckless idiotic speech, an American CH47 Chinook was shot down by a rocket-propelled grenade in the Tangi Valley, Maidan Wardak Province, Afghanistan, all 38 aboard were killed including most if not all of Seal Team Six, this incident became known as Extortion 17. After Biden had let the identification out, and before the Chinook was shot down, members of Seal Team 6 had called their families and told them to wipe out all connection to them, including social media, and disassociate themselves as far away from them as possible because they too would be in grave danger as the Taliban would attempt to find them in retaliation. It is easy enough to look up the information yourself as well. So, Joe revealed the unit, and signed the death warrants of America's finest warriors, and never looked back. Sorry if you disagree but he is not worthy of consideration as our President and Commander-in-Chief!!! Wake up – let everyone be made aware of this piece of history and reject him at every level! Smiling Joe is responsible for the deaths of 15 members of Seal Team 6 by the Taliban because he let them know who killed bin laden. Is this a good choice for the next President?
If this is true, and I will look into it, that would be a problem. On the other hand we now have a president that refuses to challenge putin for placing bounties on the heads of Americans in Afghanistan. That is if you believe that Russia is doing that. It's hard to believe much today.

I remember when bin laden was killed in pakistan. It was common knowledge that Seal team six was the team that carried it out. I don't believe I recall any specifics about personal involved.

I would appreciate you saving me some time and direct me to the source of these accusations.
 
My question was to see how trumps base would react when this election is over. Will there be a peaceful transition of power. I think that question has been answered.

I don't think it will be peaceful. At best the Republican base will think there has been a socialist takeover, or if the GOP is successful in their attempts at voter suppression, the majority of Americans will feel we have a illegitimate president.

If trump wins the election in the electoral college and loses the popular vote as badly as it looks he will, there will be trouble in this country like we have never seen.
I expect a mess. Millions of unsolicited ballots being mailed out is unprecedented. This is notably different from absentee ballots as we have always done. I think POTUS is correct. This is an process ripe for fraud. This will also be the 1st election in history where the night of the election we will not have a clear winner. Several states have already declared weeks after votes will be tallied which again has never happened before. I dont like whats going on. This will be an election submerged in strife simply because of the way the left has chosen to handle it. Vote in person. Present a valid US ID and continue solicited mail in ballot program as we have always done. I dont understand what the left doesnt understand about this.

That is unless they plan on harvesting ballots from the elderly who dont know any better and tossing them in the trash. Allowing illegal aliens, felons and dead people to vote. All which are against the law all of which are to the democrats benefit and all of which are currently happening.
 



Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

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10m

“You see it in enthusiasm for the President outside Walter Reed Hospital. You see it in Registrations, from Florida to Pennsylvania & West Virginia, where Republicans are outstripping Democrats by 2 to 1. If the President bounces back onto the campaign trail, he will be an....

.invincible hero, who not only survived every dirty trick the Democrats threw at him, but the Chinese virus as well. He will show America we no longer have to be afraid.” mdevine@nypost.com Thank you Miranda. Was over until the Plague came in from China. Will win anyway!

https://nypost.com/2020/10/04/coronavirus-battle-shows-the-bravery-of-president-trump-devine/
One of us will be right. There is no doubt trump has a loyal base. The question is are there enough of you. I think he is a longshot. Most polls agree.

Either way we can expect troubling times.
 
I expect a mess. Millions of unsolicited ballots being mailed out is unprecedented. This is notably different from absentee ballots as we have always done. I think POTUS is correct. This is an process ripe for fraud. This will also be the 1st election in history where the night of the election we will not have a clear winner. Several states have already declared weeks after votes will be tallied which again has never happened before. I dont like whats going on. This will be an election submerged in strife simply because of the way the left has chosen to handle it. Vote in person. Present a valid US ID and continue solicited mail in ballot program as we have always done. I dont understand what the left doesnt understand about this.

That is unless they plan on harvesting ballots from the elderly who dont know any better and tossing them in the trash. Allowing illegal aliens, felons and dead people to vote. All which are against the law all of which are to the democrats benefit and all of which are currently happening.
Your argument is that there will be massive mail in voter fraud. In the past there is no evidence of this dispite a large percentage of people voting by mail in ballot. Trump is definitely calling the legitimacy of the election into question, and no doubt a large percentage of voters are going to believe him. I feel confident in that any accusations of voter fraud.will be investigated thoroughly, and we will have enough proof the decide for ourselves if we want to.

I agree. I think we are in store for something we have never seen.
 
One of us will be right. There is no doubt trump has a loyal base. The question is are there enough of you. I think he is a longshot. Most polls agree.

Either way we can expect troubling times.
The polls are a strange thing. They, the pollers, are assuming honesty on behalf of the pollee. Alot of ppl like me if bothered by a poller will give them bogus info to get em off my back. Plus its also kinda funny to do that :) .

The democrats need 65% of the black vote to win period. The republicans need 0% of the black vote to win period. The only question is if the conservative base decides to show up. Most americans by an overwhelming majority identify as conservative regardless of party. Its who is energized enough to show up and vote. Whos stirred up enough. We call them the silent majority. The ones who are overburdened by work and obligations and just want to be left alone. This is the same silent majority that showed up in Trump v Clinton. If you remember Hillary was 70 to 30 over Trump in the Polls. See how misleading this is? It was a landlside by every major news network according to the polls. There were news casters literally laughing at the likelyhood of a trump victory even 1 week prior to the election. It was that glaring according to the polls. Then election night happened. And those overburdened, quiet, heart of America workers showed up and cast their vote stunning the world. No yelling, no screaming, no burning down buildings. Just THE SILENT MAJORITY doing what they do.
 
From my favorite racist journalist. And note that being racist doesn't make him wrong, at least not about this. Anyway, he argues, convincingly, that regardless of whether Trump wins or loses the election, his supporters lose.

Because while you might be on pins and needles about the election, the cult isn’t.

No need to be nervous when you win no matter the outcome.


All Hail the Cult of Black Suffering
David Cole
October 13, 2020

As the grotesque spectacle that is Election 2020 drags its fetid carcass down the home stretch, leaving behind a snail trail of despair and humiliation, I’m plagued by one nagging question: Is anybody buying this? Has there ever been a less honest presidential election in this nation’s history? I know that’s saying a lot, because politics is by its nature dishonest. But 2020 dishonesty is of a special vintage. The main players in this year’s election are paying tribute to an ideology we all know they don’t actually embrace.

It’s as if the entire electoral system has been taken over by a cult, one that’s made the leap from standard cult dynamics (everyone in the compound is a believer) to the dynamics that occur when a cultish clique becomes the establishment (the true believers are a small minority who enforce mass compliance via control of the state apparatus). When a cult takes over, so does its language. So does its reality. There can be debate, sure, but only within the confines of the cult’s worldview. You can say “Reverend Moon is the Messiah, and I follow him,” or you can say “Reverend Moon is the Messiah, and I reject him.” But you cannot say “Reverend Moon is not the Messiah.” That’s a denial of the cult’s reality.

This election has been commandeered by the cult of black suffering. Blacks are oppressed at every turn by “white privilege.” Blacks are being machine-gunned in the streets by Nazi cops. Blacks are being lynched on every corner by “white supremacists.” The criminal justice system must be dismantled to end black suffering. White supremacy must be denounced wherever it lurks, which is everywhere whites exist. Whites must bow, scrape, and renounce all fellow whites who don’t follow suit. And if black criminality even exists, it’s only because whites “cause” it with their racism.

Every major candidate in this year’s presidential circus has accepted those precepts as reality, even though those same candidates know the reality is false.

Look at Biden. He has a forty-year history of being a realist regarding black criminality and the need to combat it in the most unsentimental and brutal manner possible. Yet today, Biden parrots the cult’s dogma because every elected official has to. At least if they want the support of either major party and the media.

Kamala Harris? She’s probably imprisoned more blacks than P.W. Botha. As the L.A. Times noted during the primary, Harris has “27 years as a prosecutor enforcing laws that sent African Americans to prison.” Harris put blacks away for serious crimes. She put blacks away for minor crimes. She’s laughed at how merciless she was when she imprisoned black parents for their children’s truancy.

And Trump? This is the guy who, back in 1989, wanted the Central Park thugs to “suffer and die” for their crimes. Trump’s attitude toward street criminals was unambiguous: “their civil liberties end when an attack on our safety begins.” Yet now, here’s that same Donald Trump freeing black criminals in droves while promoting a $500 billion “Platinum Plan” abscessing with criminal justice “reform,” black prison inmate “clemency and pardons,” and a promise to prosecute the real terrorists who are destroying our cities: the KKK!

The irony is that, at heart, Trump might be the least racist of the three, which is probably why he’s proven so susceptible to the cult’s poison.

Beyond irony, what makes the situation downright farcical is that you have these three panderers betraying everything they know to be true, and for what? A bloc of voters that’s not in play. Biden/Harris will win the black vote regardless. Trump will lose it regardless. So none of this is based on election strategy. The cult simply owns the system now. And if you want to live, work, and prosper within that system, you must speak the cult’s language.

If a law-and-order PAC were to run the Willie Horton ad today, it would be condemned by all candidates from both parties. Republicans and Democrats alike would denounce it as “racist” and “stigmatizing.” And all sides would join together to condemn the real danger to America: white supremacists.

There was no earthly reason for Trump to “denounce” the Proud Boys, because the Proud Boys aren’t a menace. There’s no earthly reason for the Proud Boys to even be an issue in this campaign. But part of what cults do is force their members to hate people they might not otherwise hate, because if you can make someone denounce those they have no actual cause to dislike, that’s true power.

Having been denounced myself, indeed, having been arguably one of the first major cases of a conservative “canceled” by former allies in a media freak show that burned bright and flamed out quickly (because the supposed “offense,” the “crime” that merited cancellation, was overblown from the start), I’m in a unique position to speak about these things. I get why Trump denounced an organization that had done him, his base, and America in general no harm. People—good people—can be pressured into denouncing a friend because they do the math in their head and decide that it’s justifiable in the long run to sacrifice one innocent person (or group) to save a cause.

“They want me to denounce Jake. The media, the opposition, and my own party want me to denounce Jake. Now, I know Jake’s a good guy, but if I die on the hill of Jake then my agenda dies with me, and all the great things I’m going to do for the people will never happen. So, reluctantly, I must denounce Jake, for the greater good.”

That’s the devil’s compromise.

When I was “canceled” in 2013, I had a good fifty or sixty friends make that exact compromise. And since then most have come to regret their actions, because they learned that you don’t compromise with the devil. Or more accurately, the devil doesn’t compromise with you. If the devil offers you a “fair deal,” the devil is lying. None of the “friends” who denounced me in 2013 reaped any of the rewards they were promised. The left cut them no slack; no brownie points were given. It was all for nothing.

Trump’s denunciation of the Proud Boys will be for nothing. If he loses in November, he’ll have thrown a bunch of good people under the bus for no reason. But even if he wins, it’ll be a hollow victory, because he’ll have won by embracing the cult’s theology, further enshrining it as the governing theology of the land. He’ll have won on the cult’s terms, having adopted its language and reality as his own.

I’ve written previously of my personal debt to the Proud Boys after they kept Ann Coulter and me (and 200 West L.A. conservatives) safe from Antifa during a 2018 event I organized. I know the Proud Boys, and I know why they’re needed. As leftist mayors and governors continue to scale back police protection, as “progressive prosecutors” keep redefining “arrestable offense” (looting? No. Rioting? No. Using a firearm in self-defense? Yes! Holding a firearm when a violent mob is on your property? Yes!), the Proud Boys are a necessary counterweight to the mobs that have been granted near-total immunity. They are our last line of defense.

Well, they were. By denouncing the Proud Boys, Trump has effectively denounced anyone who might use them in the future. Mere weeks after Trump betrayed the Proud Boys, a Denver TV news station brought an Antifa thug to a Patriot Rally to act as an official (unlicensed, illegal) “security guard.” The thug murdered a Trump supporter. The cult gets to have its armed enforcers; the rest of us get neither cops nor private security. And Trump, who could have balked, caved. From now on, anyone with any connection to the Proud Boys will be tarred as a “white supremacist,” because the media will be able to preface every story with “even Trump…”

Even Trump admits they’re white supremacists. Even Trump denounces them.”

That’s my point about how Trump’s victory would still be a loss, because he’ll have won by playing by the cult’s rules. On the Proud Boys, on criminal justice, on black crime, on “reparations,” on the very idea that “white supremacy” is a menace on par with BLM and Antifa. Long after Trump is out of office, be it next year or in four more, the rest of us will still be living under the “reality” that Trump affirmed.

And we’ll all have to speak the cult’s language.

A perfect example of this is the current debate over school reopenings—in-person instruction vs. online. In the past month there have been dozens of op-eds and articles covering this topic, and every one of them has covered it from the perspective of black suffering.

“In-person schooling must begin immediately! Black children don’t have the same internet and computer access and resources as whites. ‘Virtual schooling’ puts black kids at a disadvantage!”

“In-person schooling must not begin immediately! It will put black children at greater risk of COVID exposure. The push to reopen schools is coming from wealthy whites who have healthcare access that blacks don’t.”

You’re allowed to say “schools should reopen” and you’re allowed to say “schools should not reopen,” but only if your argument acknowledges the cult’s sacred tenet (the singular importance of black suffering).

Similarly, last week rightists celebrated the news that Trump had https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/president-donald-j-trump-announces-intent-appoint-individuals-key-administration-posts-100220/ black conservative Larry Elder (one of the people who denounced me in 2013, by the way) to the “Commission on the Social Status of Black Men and Boys.” The Commission is the ungodly creation of Marco Rubio, Frederica Wilson, Cory Booker, and Kamala Harris (among others). Its mandate is to study ways to “end the https://wilson.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/wilson-passes-the-commission-on-the-social-status-of-black-men-and-boys” that “victimizes” black men and boys. The Commission’s definition of “racism” includes three-strikes laws, bail, welfare reform, and police brutality.

Conservatives cheered the Elder appointment. “Yay! Now we’ll have one of ours on the Commission!”

This is why the right gets steamrolled: too many imbeciles who don’t realize that the problem is not that the Commission doesn’t have a “conservative appointee.” The problem is that the Commission exists in the first place. Oh great, a “conservative” will be a member. Big shit. That “conservative” will still have to operate under the cult’s terms. Larry Elder can rant and rave all he wants as a member, but he’s ranting and raving in a taxpayer-funded temple to the cult’s ideology. That the temple stands is the problem. Engaging it just gives it legitimacy. It should be knocked down.

It should never have been built.

By the way, Trump’s the one who signed it into existence. Let’s see what that buys him on Nov. 3 (spoiler: nothing).

Because while you might be on pins and needles about the election, the cult isn’t.

No need to be nervous when you win no matter the outcome.
 
From my favorite racist journalist. And note that being racist doesn't make him wrong, at least not about this. Anyway, he argues, convincingly, that regardless of whether Trump wins or loses the election, his supporters lose.

Because while you might be on pins and needles about the election, the cult isn’t.

No need to be nervous when you win no matter the outcome.


All Hail the Cult of Black Suffering
David Cole
October 13, 2020

As the grotesque spectacle that is Election 2020 drags its fetid carcass down the home stretch, leaving behind a snail trail of despair and humiliation, I’m plagued by one nagging question: Is anybody buying this? Has there ever been a less honest presidential election in this nation’s history? I know that’s saying a lot, because politics is by its nature dishonest. But 2020 dishonesty is of a special vintage. The main players in this year’s election are paying tribute to an ideology we all know they don’t actually embrace.

It’s as if the entire electoral system has been taken over by a cult, one that’s made the leap from standard cult dynamics (everyone in the compound is a believer) to the dynamics that occur when a cultish clique becomes the establishment (the true believers are a small minority who enforce mass compliance via control of the state apparatus). When a cult takes over, so does its language. So does its reality. There can be debate, sure, but only within the confines of the cult’s worldview. You can say “Reverend Moon is the Messiah, and I follow him,” or you can say “Reverend Moon is the Messiah, and I reject him.” But you cannot say “Reverend Moon is not the Messiah.” That’s a denial of the cult’s reality.

This election has been commandeered by the cult of black suffering. Blacks are oppressed at every turn by “white privilege.” Blacks are being machine-gunned in the streets by Nazi cops. Blacks are being lynched on every corner by “white supremacists.” The criminal justice system must be dismantled to end black suffering. White supremacy must be denounced wherever it lurks, which is everywhere whites exist. Whites must bow, scrape, and renounce all fellow whites who don’t follow suit. And if black criminality even exists, it’s only because whites “cause” it with their racism.

Every major candidate in this year’s presidential circus has accepted those precepts as reality, even though those same candidates know the reality is false.

Look at Biden. He has a forty-year history of being a realist regarding black criminality and the need to combat it in the most unsentimental and brutal manner possible. Yet today, Biden parrots the cult’s dogma because every elected official has to. At least if they want the support of either major party and the media.

Kamala Harris? She’s probably imprisoned more blacks than P.W. Botha. As the L.A. Times noted during the primary, Harris has “27 years as a prosecutor enforcing laws that sent African Americans to prison.” Harris put blacks away for serious crimes. She put blacks away for minor crimes. She’s laughed at how merciless she was when she imprisoned black parents for their children’s truancy.

And Trump? This is the guy who, back in 1989, wanted the Central Park thugs to “suffer and die” for their crimes. Trump’s attitude toward street criminals was unambiguous: “their civil liberties end when an attack on our safety begins.” Yet now, here’s that same Donald Trump freeing black criminals in droves while promoting a $500 billion “Platinum Plan” abscessing with criminal justice “reform,” black prison inmate “clemency and pardons,” and a promise to prosecute the real terrorists who are destroying our cities: the KKK!

The irony is that, at heart, Trump might be the least racist of the three, which is probably why he’s proven so susceptible to the cult’s poison.

Beyond irony, what makes the situation downright farcical is that you have these three panderers betraying everything they know to be true, and for what? A bloc of voters that’s not in play. Biden/Harris will win the black vote regardless. Trump will lose it regardless. So none of this is based on election strategy. The cult simply owns the system now. And if you want to live, work, and prosper within that system, you must speak the cult’s language.

If a law-and-order PAC were to run the Willie Horton ad today, it would be condemned by all candidates from both parties. Republicans and Democrats alike would denounce it as “racist” and “stigmatizing.” And all sides would join together to condemn the real danger to America: white supremacists.

There was no earthly reason for Trump to “denounce” the Proud Boys, because the Proud Boys aren’t a menace. There’s no earthly reason for the Proud Boys to even be an issue in this campaign. But part of what cults do is force their members to hate people they might not otherwise hate, because if you can make someone denounce those they have no actual cause to dislike, that’s true power.

Having been denounced myself, indeed, having been arguably one of the first major cases of a conservative “canceled” by former allies in a media freak show that burned bright and flamed out quickly (because the supposed “offense,” the “crime” that merited cancellation, was overblown from the start), I’m in a unique position to speak about these things. I get why Trump denounced an organization that had done him, his base, and America in general no harm. People—good people—can be pressured into denouncing a friend because they do the math in their head and decide that it’s justifiable in the long run to sacrifice one innocent person (or group) to save a cause.

“They want me to denounce Jake. The media, the opposition, and my own party want me to denounce Jake. Now, I know Jake’s a good guy, but if I die on the hill of Jake then my agenda dies with me, and all the great things I’m going to do for the people will never happen. So, reluctantly, I must denounce Jake, for the greater good.”

That’s the devil’s compromise.

When I was “canceled” in 2013, I had a good fifty or sixty friends make that exact compromise. And since then most have come to regret their actions, because they learned that you don’t compromise with the devil. Or more accurately, the devil doesn’t compromise with you. If the devil offers you a “fair deal,” the devil is lying. None of the “friends” who denounced me in 2013 reaped any of the rewards they were promised. The left cut them no slack; no brownie points were given. It was all for nothing.

Trump’s denunciation of the Proud Boys will be for nothing. If he loses in November, he’ll have thrown a bunch of good people under the bus for no reason. But even if he wins, it’ll be a hollow victory, because he’ll have won by embracing the cult’s theology, further enshrining it as the governing theology of the land. He’ll have won on the cult’s terms, having adopted its language and reality as his own.

I’ve written previously of my personal debt to the Proud Boys after they kept Ann Coulter and me (and 200 West L.A. conservatives) safe from Antifa during a 2018 event I organized. I know the Proud Boys, and I know why they’re needed. As leftist mayors and governors continue to scale back police protection, as “progressive prosecutors” keep redefining “arrestable offense” (looting? No. Rioting? No. Using a firearm in self-defense? Yes! Holding a firearm when a violent mob is on your property? Yes!), the Proud Boys are a necessary counterweight to the mobs that have been granted near-total immunity. They are our last line of defense.

Well, they were. By denouncing the Proud Boys, Trump has effectively denounced anyone who might use them in the future. Mere weeks after Trump betrayed the Proud Boys, a Denver TV news station brought an Antifa thug to a Patriot Rally to act as an official (unlicensed, illegal) “security guard.” The thug murdered a Trump supporter. The cult gets to have its armed enforcers; the rest of us get neither cops nor private security. And Trump, who could have balked, caved. From now on, anyone with any connection to the Proud Boys will be tarred as a “white supremacist,” because the media will be able to preface every story with “even Trump…”

Even Trump admits they’re white supremacists. Even Trump denounces them.”

That’s my point about how Trump’s victory would still be a loss, because he’ll have won by playing by the cult’s rules. On the Proud Boys, on criminal justice, on black crime, on “reparations,” on the very idea that “white supremacy” is a menace on par with BLM and Antifa. Long after Trump is out of office, be it next year or in four more, the rest of us will still be living under the “reality” that Trump affirmed.

And we’ll all have to speak the cult’s language.

A perfect example of this is the current debate over school reopenings—in-person instruction vs. online. In the past month there have been dozens of op-eds and articles covering this topic, and every one of them has covered it from the perspective of black suffering.

“In-person schooling must begin immediately! Black children don’t have the same internet and computer access and resources as whites. ‘Virtual schooling’ puts black kids at a disadvantage!”

“In-person schooling must not begin immediately! It will put black children at greater risk of COVID exposure. The push to reopen schools is coming from wealthy whites who have healthcare access that blacks don’t.”

You’re allowed to say “schools should reopen” and you’re allowed to say “schools should not reopen,” but only if your argument acknowledges the cult’s sacred tenet (the singular importance of black suffering).

Similarly, last week rightists celebrated the news that Trump had https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/president-donald-j-trump-announces-intent-appoint-individuals-key-administration-posts-100220/ black conservative Larry Elder (one of the people who denounced me in 2013, by the way) to the “Commission on the Social Status of Black Men and Boys.” The Commission is the ungodly creation of Marco Rubio, Frederica Wilson, Cory Booker, and Kamala Harris (among others). Its mandate is to study ways to “end the https://wilson.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/wilson-passes-the-commission-on-the-social-status-of-black-men-and-boys” that “victimizes” black men and boys. The Commission’s definition of “racism” includes three-strikes laws, bail, welfare reform, and police brutality.

Conservatives cheered the Elder appointment. “Yay! Now we’ll have one of ours on the Commission!”

This is why the right gets steamrolled: too many imbeciles who don’t realize that the problem is not that the Commission doesn’t have a “conservative appointee.” The problem is that the Commission exists in the first place. Oh great, a “conservative” will be a member. Big shit. That “conservative” will still have to operate under the cult’s terms. Larry Elder can rant and rave all he wants as a member, but he’s ranting and raving in a taxpayer-funded temple to the cult’s ideology. That the temple stands is the problem. Engaging it just gives it legitimacy. It should be knocked down.

It should never have been built.

By the way, Trump’s the one who signed it into existence. Let’s see what that buys him on Nov. 3 (spoiler: nothing).

Because while you might be on pins and needles about the election, the cult isn’t.

No need to be nervous when you win no matter the outcome.
Thats the guy who changed his name to David Stein to rewrite his view of the holocaust. Then changed it back when the burden became too heavy.

I dont think that is a piece of human shit worth listening too
 
Thats the guy who changed his name to David Stein to rewrite his view of the holocaust. Then changed it back when the burden became too heavy.

I dont think that is a piece of human shit worth listening too

He's pretty open about his views, including his ghost writing about the holocaust. Having read what he wrote rather than what others wrote about him, I decided his views are worth considering, even if I disagree with many of them.

Incidentally, he didn't change it back. He was outed, then cancelled by pretty much everyone.
 
He's pretty open about his views, including his ghost writing about the holocaust. Having read what he wrote rather than what others wrote about him, I decided his views are worth considering, even if I disagree with many of them.

Incidentally, he didn't change it back. He was outed, then cancelled by pretty much everyone.
The word racist is thrown around so frequently these days its lost all its meaning. Particularly from the left. When i hear someone define trump as a racist i immediately know their opinion is filed under W for waste. Their opinion is meaningless because they choose to file an emotional appeal for some thing so heinous at some thing they hate. Which means they are incapable of rational and individual thought. I dont think Trump is a racist nor Biden. But Richard Spencer definitely is a racist and he has made it publically known he is voting a full democrat ticket here in 2020. For those that dont know or are incapable of rational or individual thought he is the suit and tie leader of the neo nazi white nationalist movement here in the U.S.

The democrat voters have been played. And they are damn proud of their ignorance
 
The word racist is thrown around so frequently these days its lost all its meaning. Particularly from the left. When i hear someone define trump as a racist i immediately know their opinion is filed under W for waste. Their opinion is meaningless because they choose to file an emotional appeal for some thing so heinous at some thing they hate. Which means they are incapable of rational and individual thought. I dont think Trump is a racist nor Biden. But Richard Spencer definitely is a racist and he has made it publically known he is voting a full democrat ticket here in 2020. For those that dont know or are incapable of rational or individual thought he is the suit and tie leader of the neo nazi white nationalist movement here in the U.S.

The democrat voters have been played. And they are damn proud of their ignorance

David Cole is definitely a racist by most definitions, including his own (if he were to provide one). I don't have to subscribe to his position on such things to agree with many of his political and cultural views.

Whenever our decaying culture chooses to cancel someone it's like a beacon to me. Any writing considered too dangerous for the rubes deserves some attention. Mises was the first canceled writer who's works I read, and it had a huge impact on my life. Cole, not so much, but he is entertaining.

People like Richard Spencer don't get canceled. They get attention so they can be used as political weapons. Those kinds of people rarely have anything worth reading, just appeals to fear and resentment. Quite a few popular main stream writers on both ends of the political spectrum have gone that rout, and it bores the hell out of me.
 
Bad polls tightening as we get closer.

Huge percentage of Trump supporters are new and didn’t vote for him in 2016.

Polls of likely voters showing Trump moving ahead in swing states.

Get your beer/liquor and popcorn ready for 4 more years!
 
didn't read entire thread, but if the communists win (Biden/ho) then america will become hell, and america will deserve hell. so in the end I can't really complain, those who vote them in (inner cities) will suffer the most.

natural consequences
 
didn't read entire thread, but if the communists win (Biden/ho) then america will become hell, and america will deserve hell. so in the end I can't really complain, those who vote them in (inner cities) will suffer the most.

natural consequences
Talks to extend the shutdown. Mandatory vaccinations. If they get an extended shut down Pelosi can finally get her multi billion dollar stimulus she keeps politicizing and most of it goes to special interest not stimulus for the american ppl. The great reset. NY times ran a story on it recently. The dems are collaborating with the swedes to to bring a massive socialist empire to America and abroad. Terrifying shit. Yes its real
 

OPEN LETTER TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
DONALD J. TRUMP

Sunday, October 25, 2020
Solemnity of Christ the King

By Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò


Mr. President,

Allow me to address you at this hour in which the fate of the whole world is being threatened by a global conspiracy against God and humanity.

I write to you as an Archbishop, as a Successor of the Apostles, as the former Apostolic Nuncio to the United States of America.

I am writing to you in the midst of the silence of both civil and religious authorities.

May you accept these words of mine as the “voice of one crying out in the desert” (Jn 1:23).

As I said when I wrote my letter to you in June, this historical moment sees the forces of Evil aligned in a battle without quarter against the forces of Good; forces of Evil that appear powerful and organized as they oppose the children of Light, who are disoriented and disorganized, abandoned by their temporal and spiritual leaders.

Daily we sense the attacks multiplying of those who want to destroy the very basis of society: the natural family, respect for human life, love of country, freedom of education and business.

We see heads of nations and religious leaders pandering to this suicide of Western culture and its Christian soul, while the fundamental rights of citizens and believers are denied in the name of a health emergency that is revealing itself more and more fully as instrumental to the establishment of an inhuman faceless tyranny.

A global plan called the Great Reset is underway.

Its architect is a global élite that wants to subdue all of humanity, imposing coercive measures with which to drastically limit individual freedoms and those of entire populations.

In several nations this plan has already been approved and financed; in others it is still in an early stage.

Behind the world leaders who are the accomplices and executors of this infernal project, there are unscrupulous characters who finance the World Economic Forum and Event 201, promoting their agenda.

The purpose of the Great Reset is the imposition of a health dictatorship aiming at the imposition of liberticidal measures, hidden behind tempting promises of ensuring a universal income and cancelling individual debt.

The price of these concessions from the International Monetary Fund will be the renunciation of private property and adherence to a program of vaccination against Covid-19 and Covid-21 promoted by Bill Gates with the collaboration of the main pharmaceutical groups.

Beyond the enormous economic interests that motivate the promoters of the Great Reset, the imposition of the vaccination will be accompanied by the requirement of a health passport and a digital ID, with the consequent contact tracing of the population of the entire world.

Those who do not accept these measures will be confined in detention camps or placed under house arrest, and all their assets will be confiscated.

Mr. President, I imagine that you are already aware that in some countries the Great Reset will be activated between the end of this year and the first trimester of 2021.

For this purpose, further lockdowns are planned, which will be officially justified by a supposed second and third wave of the pandemic.

You are well aware of the means that have been deployed to sow panic and legitimize draconian limitations on individual liberties, artfully provoking a world-wide economic crisis.

In the intentions of its architects, this crisis will serve to make the recourse of nations to the Great Reset irreversible, thereby giving the final blow to a world whose existence and very memory they want to completely cancel.

But this world, Mr. President, includes people, affections, institutions, faith, culture, traditions, and ideals: people and values that do not act like automatons, who do not obey like machines, because they are endowed with a soul and a heart, because they are tied together by a spiritual bond that draws its strength from above, from that God that our adversaries want to challenge, just as Lucifer did at the beginning of time with his “non serviam.” [Note: the Latin words mean “I will not serve,” by which Lucifer meant “I will not serve God.”]

Many people – as we well know – are annoyed by this reference to the clash between Good and Evil and the use of “apocalyptic” overtones, which according to them exasperates spirits and sharpens divisions.

It is not surprising that the enemy is angered at being discovered just when he believes he has reached the citadel he seeks to conquer undisturbed.

What is surprising, however, is that there is no one to sound the alarm.

The reaction of the deep state to those who denounce its plan is broken and incoherent, but understandable.

Just when the complicity of the mainstream media had succeeded in making the transition to the New World Order almost painless and unnoticed, all sorts of deceptions, scandals and crimes are coming to light.

Until a few months ago, it was easy to smear as “conspiracy theorists” those who denounced these terrible plans, which we now see being carried out down to the smallest detail.

No one, up until last February, would ever have thought that, in all of our cities, citizens would be arrested simply for wanting to walk down the street, to breathe, to want to keep their business open, to want to go to church on Sunday.

Yet now it is happening all over the world, even in picture-postcard Italy that many Americans consider to be a small enchanted country, with its ancient monuments, its churches, its charming cities, its characteristic villages.

And while the politicians are barricaded inside their palaces promulgating decrees like Persian satraps, businesses are failing, shops are closing, and people are prevented from living, traveling, working, and praying.

The disastrous psychological consequences of this operation are already being seen, beginning with the suicides of desperate entrepreneurs and of our children, segregated from friends and classmates, told to follow their classes while sitting at home alone in front of a computer.

In Sacred Scripture, Saint Paul speaks to us of “the one who opposes” the manifestation of the mystery of iniquity, the kathèkon (2 Thess 2:6-7).

In the religious sphere, this obstacle to evil is the Church, and in particular the papacy; in the political sphere, it is those who impede the establishment of the New World Order.

As is now clear, the one who occupies the Chair of Peter has betrayed his role from the very beginning in order to defend and promote the globalist ideology, supporting the agenda of the deep church, who chose him from its ranks.

Mr. President, you have clearly stated that you want to defend the nation – One Nation under God, fundamental liberties, and non-negotiable values that are denied and fought against today.

It is you, dear President, who are “the one who opposes” the deep state, the final assault of the children of darkness.

For this reason, it is necessary that all people of good will be persuaded of the epochal importance of the imminent election: not so much for the sake of this or that political program, but because of the general inspiration of your action that best embodies – in this particular historical context – that world, our world, which they want to cancel by means of the lockdown.

Your adversary is also our adversary: it is the Enemy of the human race, He who is “a murderer from the beginning” (Jn 8:44).

Around you are gathered with faith and courage those who consider you the final garrison against the world dictatorship.

The alternative is to vote for a person who is manipulated by the deep state, gravely compromised by scandals and corruption, who will do to the United States what Jorge Mario Bergoglio is doing to the Church, Prime Minister Conte to Italy, President Macron to France, Prime Minster Sanchez to Spain, and so on.

The blackmailable nature of Joe Biden – just like that of the prelates of the Vatican’s “magic circle” – will expose him to be used unscrupulously, allowing illegitimate powers to interfere in both domestic politics as well as international balances.

It is obvious that those who manipulate him already have someone worse than him ready, with whom they will replace him as soon as the opportunity arises.

And yet, in the midst of this bleak picture, this apparently unstoppable advance of the “Invisible Enemy,” an element of hope emerges.

The adversary does not know how to love, and it does not understand that it is not enough to assure a universal income or to cancel mortgages in order to subjugate the masses and convince them to be branded like cattle.

This people, which for too long has endured the abuses of a hateful and tyrannical power, is rediscovering that it has a soul; it is understanding that it is not willing to exchange its freedom for the homogenization and cancellation of its identity; it is beginning to understand the value of familial and social ties, of the bonds of faith and culture that unite honest people.

This Great Reset is destined to fail because those who planned it do not understand that there are still people ready to take to the streets to defend their rights, to protect their loved ones, to give a future to their children and grandchildren.

The leveling inhumanity of the globalist project will shatter miserably in the face of the firm and courageous opposition of the children of Light.

The enemy has Satan on its side, He who only knows how to hate.

But on our side, we have the Lord Almighty, the God of armies arrayed for battle, and the Most Holy Virgin, who will crush the head of the ancient Serpent. “If God is for us, who can be against us?” (Rom 8:31).

Mr. President, you are well aware that, in this crucial hour, the United States of America is considered the defending wall against which the war declared by the advocates of globalism has been unleashed.

Place your trust in the Lord, strengthened by the words of the Apostle Paul: “I can do all things in Him who strengthens me” (Phil 4:13).

To be an instrument of Divine Providence is a great responsibility, for which you will certainly receive all the graces of state that you need, since they are being fervently implored for you by the many people who support you with their prayers.

With this heavenly hope and the assurance of my prayer for you, for the First Lady, and for your collaborators, with all my heart I send you my blessing.

God bless the United States of America!

+ Carlo Maria Viganò

Tit. Archbishop of Ulpiana
 

What happens to CNN and MSNBC if Biden wins? It’s complicated.​

Both networks have coasted to ratings success with a heavy diet of Trump-related hard news in the day and Trump-critical opinion at night

By Jeremy Barr
November 3, 2020 at 5:14 p.m. GMT+1

The Trump presidency has been an unmitigated success for the three major cable news networks, which have all experienced a huge uptick in audience ratings over the past 3½ years.
But while Fox News has maintained its dominance over the industry by going heavy on pro-Trump commentary, MSNBC and CNN have benefited from prime-time opinion hosts who have taken the president and his administration to task on a nightly basis — not to mention viewer interest in the constant swirl of news emanating from the Trump White House.

So what happens at MSNBC and CNN if President Trump loses? It might seem to be the most fervent hope of some of their pundits. But would a President Joe Biden be good for business?

“I think they’re going to feel very lost, because they are largely addicted to [Trump] at this point and that sense of chaos,” said Ariana Pekary, who left MSNBC in July after a nearly seven-year career that included serving as a producer for Lawrence O’Donnell’s evening show.

A former CNN anchor argued that after years of the network challenging Trump, “a Biden win could have a devastating impact on their bottom line.”

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2020/11/03/cnn-msnbc-trump-biden-future/
 
If Trump loses we kiss a narcissist, hedonist asswipe goodbye. No more grinding our faces in his fascist glory, no more listening to a jackass tell us he's the greatest president of all time, no more listing to this guy heap praise onto LE for beating, killing and incarcerating our citizens. No more watching his family live in opulence raking in millions while we have homeless vets on the street.

No one should be given this much power, we need to do away with the POTUS(and the supreme court, and all courts for that matter) and move to a system that severely limits the power of any one individual or group. Privatize everything, destroy the prisons and strap a gun to your side as a defense against both civilian and supposed authority.
 
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