Thinking of using deca for the first time. Looking for some insight.

So I am a couple of weeks into this run and am about to end the 10’s realization phase. Just have my squat day coming up. Bench was 235lbs for 19, deads were 355lbs for 16, and standing barbell press was 145lbs for 16. Training maxes have all gone up. Going to be upping the doses in about a week. Food intake has been pretty good and will definitely be cleaning up the diet more after the first. Bodyweight is holding so far at 198lbs.
 
Haven’t updated this in a while but don’t know if anyone is interested in it. I could log it if people are interested but currently sitting at 202.4 after a week of trashy holiday eating. Decided to change course a little bit by lowering the dosages that was originally planned. The deca and mast are going to remain the same but I am lowering the test from 525 a week to 300 a week. Primarily because I am concerned with estro(being estro sensitive) and the sides that come along with it. So basically:

Deca @ 300 week
Test C @ 300 week
Mast E @ 420 week.

Still not sure if I am going to run dbol or tbol on the back end. Took a week completely off due to travel. Kind of excited to start it back up.
 
Hey sorry if im hijacking your thread but im also interested in deca and wanna use it for the first time next year at the same dosages like you.Im actually just interested into the joint relief properties of deca because i have bad knees from ages ago when i was a mma fighter,but whats the point of taking deca if the join relief is only temporarily?or it might even get worse because you dont feel pain and train harder and end up with an injury or something?
 
Well I haven’t ended my run yet so I can’t really tell you if the joint relief is temporary or not. My joints have been feeling better than normal but that may be due in part to taking a week off of training and I am holding a bit of water due to the shitty holiday diet this past week. I don’t think it would be responsible of me to solely blame the deca for the joint relief. I too am hopeful that it is permanent but many have said that it is not.
 
Haven’t updated this in a while but don’t know if anyone is interested in it. I could log it if people are interested but currently sitting at 202.4 after a week of trashy holiday eating. Decided to change course a little bit by lowering the dosages that was originally planned. The deca and mast are going to remain the same but I am lowering the test from 525 a week to 300 a week. Primarily because I am concerned with estro(being estro sensitive) and the sides that come along with it. So basically:

Deca @ 300 week
Test C @ 300 week
Mast E @ 420 week.

Still not sure if I am going to run dbol or tbol on the back end. Took a week completely off due to travel. Kind of excited to start it back up.
I would be interested in reading more.

I would not lower the test and might even raise it, depending on satisfactory progress. Use an AI if needed (probably isn't), bloodwork will tell.

Could you tell us a little more about the training program you are using? It sounds really different.
 
Not too bad. The nipple sensitivity worried me the most. Just switched up my training from a 5/3/1 style to juggernaut. Reason being is that I would like to take advantage of some of the hypertrophy during the earlier phases and the planned deload lines up with an upcoming vacation.

I am planning to eventually up the calories in the coming weeks and if the trend in my first phase of juggernaut continues out I would add about 25 pounds to my deadlift training max(the 10’s phase). I did start my training maxes somewhat lower than normal due to the auto regulation that occurs in the program. My projected deadlift max was 530lbs @ 194lbs bodyweight and was brought down to 475lbs. Currently bodyweight is sitting at 196lbs. View attachment 138976
Looking great man.
 
I would be interested in reading more.

I would not lower the test and might even raise it, depending on satisfactory progress. Use an AI if needed (probably isn't), bloodwork will tell.

Could you tell us a little more about the training program you are using? It sounds really different.
An AI is definitely needed as I am estro sensitive. I need .5mgs of arimidex twice a week on endo prescribed trt at only 150mgs weekly to keep my estro in the 30’s.
The training is not really different. It is called the juggernaut method and is powerlifting based just like 5/3/1 is. I am more into powerlifting and strength. The way the body changes to that stimulus is an added plus. Even though I have great admiration for those that compete in bodybuilding shows it is just something that I am not interested in doing. On top of everything else I wouldn’t have the time to invest into it. If I am going to do something I definitely don’t want to half ass anything.
Maybe one day I will compete in a powerlifting event but I can’t really commit to that at the moment.
mic you are interested in building strength in a more scientific approach then look into it. It really is the same principles though, linear progression and progressive overload with auto regulation built in.
 
Dropped some water weight from the shitty eating over the holidays and my diet is going to be clean from here on out. Currently sitting at 199lbs and have a day left from my first week back yet to complete but strength seems to be up. Even after a week off most of my reps of the same weights have gone up. I am feeling bloated as fuck and the recent pics that I took to compare from previously seem to confirm it. It seems as though this run is going ok. Every now and then I am feeling some nipple sensitivity though.

Was wondering if @Millard would be able to move this thread possibly to the powerlifting forum since I am thinking of running this as a log or if I should just create a new thread. I don’t really want to clutter the forum with various redundant threads but obviously if it can’t be done I understand.
 
I will be against the tide, but subjectively speaking I am better off with low testosterone and "high" nandrolone. Currently doing 80 mg TestE (injecting 50 mg e4d) and 300 mg Deca (175 mg e4d)
 
So far no luck with @Millard Baker switching the thread to either the “powerlifting” section or “cycle log” and I figured it would be better to not clog up the forums with a bunch of the same threads so here it goes:

Brace yourselves, this is going to be long as fuck.

So I am a couple weeks into this run. I am currently running the juggernaut method and my goals are more powerlifting orientated but the way the body adapts to the stimulus of that type of training is a plus. I am wanting to gain some size and strength during this run and will be logging it to help anyone that is interested, contribute to the community, and also to keep myself accountable.

I am already a couple of weeks in on my program and the “10’s” phase of the juggernaut method has already been completed. I am currently beginning my second week of “8’s” so I will try and post what I have done from the 8’s and onwards. However, I have modified the program from originally a four day work week to a 6 day work week as much as possible. It is pretty much a modified push/pull/legs setup: 6 days on, 2 days off, repeat. The main lifts will be hit on days 1,2,3, and 5(bench, dead, press, and squat). Day 4 will be an extra pull day focusing on back(big back, big total, right?). Day 6 will be mainly chest focused because my chest is the ugliest and weakest. If anyone is familiar with the program, I will pretty much be doing my accessories to my main lifts using the percentage and rep scheme that Chad Wesley Smith uses for his dips and pull-ups progression. It is what I have done previously when I ran the program and the results were pretty good. I have suffered from a lot of injuries recently and am hoping to get back to where I was at least strength wise.

I don’t plan on competing anytime in the near future and I am aware that some people say that the lifts don’t count unless they are on the platform. Honestly, without trying to sound too much like a dick, I don’t really give a fuck. I am happy doing what I am doing and trying to achieve the goals I am wanting to achieve(one of them being a sub 200lb bodyweight 1500lb total). I have other commitments that ultimately take precedence over fully committing to a meet(family, work, etc). My personality is either all in or not at all. I don’t want to half ass anything in life(Seth Feroce mentality).

So training details are out of the way, my diet is primarily going to be Renaissance Periodization based. Fat will remain the same or possibly taper up slightly. Protein and carbs will taper up as the run progresses and upon how I am looking and feeling. Food is all measured and macros will be tracked most likely during the entire run. Calories have started at 2950 and will taper up to 3980, but realistically the total will be over 4K during most days towards the end if everything goes as planned. Fats are going from around 85 grams to about 100 grams. Protein is growing from 210 grams to 270 grams. And carbs are going from 270 grams to about 405 grams but most likely a bit higher. These macros are all during training days(6 meals per day/possibly 7) and will be lowered on OFF days(5 meals per day). Carbs will be centered around workout times primarily.

All of my workouts are done at home. It took me a while to build a basement gym the way I wanted and I still want more as it is not yet complete but, nonetheless it gets the job done. Can’t really post too much of my lifts because I do post my lifts on instagram and it would be pretty obvious. I will try to post when I can however I guess as “proof”. Then again there are people who post fake bullshit videos or lifts for some sort of warped sense of self worth or self gratification is really fucked up. I guess it is what it is. There will always be people like that in society I guess.

if anyone is interested in anything else, ask away and I will do my best to answer it. Welcome.
 
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This was meal prep for this week and here are pretty much some of my staples besides my intraworkout drink and my casein shakes at night. The usual grilled chicken thighs, grilled sirloin and skirt steak. Ground turkey, ground beef, rice, mixed nuts, mixed greens, grilled zucchini, and string beans. I switch back and forth protein sources every week and include Greek protein(usually on OFF days). I will at least have fish twice a week sometimes more but it is always generally salmon and shrimp. Carb sources switch from white rice to brown rice to sweet potatoes to white potatoes to granola and fruit. I rarely have pasta unless I am in a bind because I tend to have a hard time eating a lot from the bloat pasta causes me. It just leaves me too full. I may resort to weight gainers which consist of ON’s Serious Mass or Redcon’s MRE but those are generally limited to my extra meal when I taper up the calories.FA663192-56FB-4CCB-BC12-4B34370DCB7B.jpeg
 
Going to try to bring this log up to speed and will recap the 8’s accumulation phase last week. Going to post the main lifts and the main accessories from last week and will be more detailed from there on out.

Day #1
Bench(after warm up sets)
4 sets at 220lbs for 8 reps
1 AMRAP set at 220lbs for 17

incline barbell bench
155lbs x 10
185lbs x 10
215lbs x 14

Day #2
Deads
4 sets at 330lbs for 8 reps
1 AMRAP set of 330lbs for 16

SSB front squat
170lbs x 10
200lbs x 10
235lbs x 14(sleeves)

Day #3
Press
4 sets at 135lbs for 8 reps
1AMRAP set of 135lbs for 16

Close grip bench
155lbs x 10
185lbs x 10
215lbs x 18

Day #5
Squat
4 sets at 300lbs for 8 reps
1 AMRAP set at 300lbs for 16
(All squat sets above 60% I typically use knee sleeves)

Stiff led deads
215lbs x 10
255lbs x 10
295lbs x 13(straps used)

Day #4 was the extra back day consisting of barbell rows, dumbbell rows, lat pull downs, some traps and rear delts and some biceps. I usually do a day #6 which is an extra push day(chest specific) but it was a short week and I didn’t get to it. Bummed me out but there is no use in crying over spilt milk. I also didn’t get to finish day #2 which was leg curls and good mornings.

Sleep during that week wasn’t the best and had a lot of time constraints. It was also the first week that my diet was super strict and I actually lost quite a bit more weight from the shit eating over the holidays. Ended the week at 197lbs.
 
First day of 8’s intensification phase.
Bench
Bar x 20
135lbs x 10
170lbs x 5
205lbs x 3
230lbs x 3
245lbs x 8,8,16

Incline barbell bench
Bar x 20
135lbs x 10
170lbs x 8
200lbs x 8
230lbs x 10(wraps)

Dips
Bodyweight x 15
Bodyweight+50lbs 15,15

Flat Dumbbell fly
65lbs x 15,15,15

Pull-ups
Bodyweight+45lbs x 8,8,8

chin ups
Bodyweight+45lbs x 8,8,9

chest supported incline dumbbell rows
95lbs x 10,10,8,8

Dumbbell side lateral raises
40lbs x 15,14,12

Dumbbell hammer curls
40lbs x 15,15

At the end of most push day’s especially chest specific I do single arm tricep press downs on red mini bands for 15 to 20 reps. When I was going to rehab for my torn triceps I did this frequently using therapy band and I feel it has helped tremendously in recovery and further injury prevention.
 
I work the night shift and my day begins at 3PM and my typical daily diet during training days are as follows:

Meal #1(35P/35C/10F)
2 whole eggs + 9 tablespoons of egg whites + 1/4 cup low fat shredded cheddar cheese + baby spinach
1 cup of rolled oats + 8 ounces of skim milk + cinnamon/diced apples/ blueberries
Cycle support
Multi
Red yeast rice
Coq10
Vitamin D
Vitamin B6(will be changing this to P5P soon)
Fish oil
Probiotics

Meal #2(35/35/10)
Mixed protein powder + 8ounces of milk + water for preferred taste
1 large banana
1 tablespoon PB

Meal #3(50/30/0)
intraworkout shake consisting of 50 grams of whey protein mixed with 30 grams of dextrose + 7grams of BCAA’s
I will sip the first half of the shake during my workout and down the other half at the end of my workout.

Meal #4(35/75/10) within hour post workout
5 ounces of Chicken thighs
1 cup of white rice
Grapes
Mixed greens salad with balsamic and EVOO
Fish oil

Meal #5(35/50/15)
5 ounces sirloin
1 cup of white rice
1 cup of broccoli
1 ounce of mixed nuts
Cycle support
Fish oil
Vitamin D

Meal #6(35/25/25)
Casein shake in 8 ounces of skim milk and water
3 tablespoons of PB + granola

This was the exact diet I ate yesterday. These macros will be tapering up as this run goes along and will add the meal replace shake later on either between meal 4 and 5 or post workout.
I have lost even more weight as my body stabilizes from the past couple of weeks of eating everything in sight and drinking. I also think it has a lot to do with dropping the MK677 before I went on my deload week. I am thinking about starting it back up next week but not certain. Body composition is definitely looking better than last week. Currently sitting at 195.7lbs morning weight after piss. 6A6B7FC9-FD2D-466C-B41C-7EB173F59C98.jpeg
 
Ok this post will put me up to date on this log.

Day #2 of 8’s intensification phase
I generally warm up a bit using bands, doing some dead bugs, and static stretching.

Deads
Bar x 10
135lbs x 10
200lbs x 5
255lbs x 5
305lbs x 3
340lbs x 3(first rep slipped and then had to finish out the last two reps using mixed grip. My double overhand grip is not strong enough yet for all warm up sets)
365lbs 8,8,16

SSB front squat
135lbs x 5
185lbs x 8
215lbs x 8
250lbs x 14(belt and sleeves used)

Barbell good mornings
135lbs x 10
185lbs x 10
205lbs x 10

Lying leg curls
75lbs x 10,10,8

Modified candlesticks(lying leg lifts)
Bodyweight x 24,22,22

During the past couple of days I have been noticing some nipple sensitivity and tenderness off and on and it is definitely concerning. Wondering if I should add in nolva as well. I am not really experiencing any high prolactin sides nor do I feel bloated and over emotional which comes when I am higher in estrogen.
 
Yeah you definitely did misread. Although body composition was much better before all of my injuries on just my trt dose. Trying to build up my strength again though.

Currently on 300 test 300 deca 420 mast per week. Strength has just started to increase slightly and today during my workout I felt very good mentally than I have been in a while. It could have also been a way to escape all the nonsense that is going on in the world as well though.
 
Day #3 of 8’s intensification day.

Standing barbell shoulder Press
Bar x 20
80lbs x 10
105lbs x 5
125lbs x 3
140lbs x 3
150lbs x 8,8,16

close grip barbell bench
Bar x 20
135lbs x 10
170lbs x 8
215lbs x 8
230lbs x 14(wraps)

cable crossover
65lbs x 15,15,15

Barbell curl
Bar x 20
65lbs x 10
115lbs x 12,11,11,10

tricep press down(rope)
55lbs x 20
110lbs x 20,20,20

Barbell upright row
Bar x 10
95lbs x 5
135lbs x 3

As stated in the last post strength seems to be creeping upwards and felt really good mentally after the workout. It was a really good post workout “high”. Some nice metal/thrash music and throwing around weights always puts me in at least somewhat of a better mood.
 
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