I would like to know what those of you who support trump will do when he loses the election?

[Millard]

I love how people are acting like the police and local government didn't do anything about the BLM protests. Tons of people were arrested during the rioting. Look up any story about the riots and you'll see arrests.

Can we stop with the whataboutism and address the issue at hand? "Oh yeah, well what about...?" is not a good argument for a position. Yes, other people also acted badly. And?

I don't understand why it is so difficult to unequivocally condemn a terrorist attack without resorting to whataboutism, the both-sides, and the false equivalence arguments.

I find it difficult to overstate the significance of this terrorist attack. It was the U.S. Capitol building which is home to Congress and a main seat of power for the United States government. Congress was in session to certify the election of Joe Biden. Everyone in the world knew that many of the most powerful people in the government were present including the three top individuals in the Presidential line of succession as well as the VP-elect. To attack when all of these people are in the same place at the same time... Wow - this is a big fucking deal.

How do you quantify the seriousness of this attack. Measures such as the death toll and the damage to property do not even begin to capture it.

If deaths were the most important criteria, people should be more outraged by the 3,964 Americans that died from covid-19 complications on January 6, 2021.

 

[Test_Subject]

I don't understand why it is so difficult to unequivocally condemn a terrorist attack without resorting to whataboutism, the both-sides, and the false equivalence arguments.

It would require admitting that your "team" did something wrong. People will justify all sorts of nonsense that they were previously opposed to if the people perpetrating the nonsense are politically aligned with them.

That's the problem with people who are strongly partisan: they've traded reason and logic for sophistry and whataboutism. Logical consistency isn't even a concern. That goes for both the left and the right.

 

[Skard]

Here's the proof. This "nerd" holds the rightful patents for much of modern technology that is used every day. He knows what he is talking about and can easily prove that Donald J. Trump rightfully won the election. And he can do it very quickly and easily.

If he is not allowed to do this, something is seriously wrong.
The real terrorist attack was election fraud, perpetrated against our country.

This video is very much worth your brief amount of time. Otherwise, it is likely that mostly everything you have heard in the media is simply lies and obfuscation. If Biden and Harris are installed, it is official. We are ruled by a criminal cabal and the last vestiges of justice will have been removed. Good luck, you will need it.

 

[Millard]

Here's the proof. This "nerd" holds the rightful patents for much of modern technology that is used every day. He knows what he is talking about and can easily prove that Donald J. Trump rightfully won the election. And he can do it very quickly and easily.

If he is not allowed to do this, something is seriously wrong.
The real terrorist attack was election fraud, perpetrated against our country.

This video is very much worth your brief amount of time. Otherwise, it is likely that mostly everything you have heard in the media is simply lies and obfuscation. If Biden and Harris are installed, it is official. We are ruled by a criminal cabal and the last vestiges of justice will have been removed. Good luck, you will need it.

LOL. Do you think maybe the failed treasure hunter whose theory about finding the Ark of the Convenant was wrong is wrong about the election too?

 

[Eman]

He knows what he is talking about and can easily prove that Donald J. Trump rightfully won the election. And he can do it very quickly and easily.

So, did he prove it?

With all of the "he said, she said" evidence of this alleged massive voter fraud... It would be nice to see actual concrete evidence. I'd be more than willing to bite on it but, this has become pretty pitiful to watch people continue to make the claims with not one modicum of real verifiable evidence.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

So, did he prove it?

With all of the "he said, she said" evidence of this alleged massive voter fraud... It would be nice to see actual concrete evidence. I'd be more than willing to bite on it but, this has become pretty pitiful to watch people continue to make the claims with not one modicum of real verifiable evidence.

As a taxpayer, aren’t you curious about what’s taking the intelligence agencies so long to complete the DNI report specified by the executive order?

If there was no interference then that report should have been completed quickly. It was due on December 18 and here we are 3 weeks later.

 

[Eman]

As a taxpayer, aren’t you curious about what’s taking the intelligence agencies so long to complete the DNI report specified by the executive order?

If there was no interference then that report should have been completed quickly. It was due on December 18 and here we are 3 weeks later.

No... That doesn't raise my suspicion or curiosity one bit. It takes them forever to get anything done. I mean, how long did the Russian investigation take... And that ordeal had actual concrete evidence to back it up.

As far as my interest in it as a taxpayer.. lol. My taxes get squandered on shit I disagree with on a regular basis, this is way down the list of concerns.

 

[Test_Subject]

I think that you'd have a hard time finding many people who are OK with voter fraud. Conducting an investigation to scrutinize election security would likely find support on both sides of the political aisle. Regular audits of the process are important to preserving a democratic institution.

But, and this is a huge but: nobody has provided any convincing proof that there was large-scale election fraud. Republican states have said as much and judges in Republican states have thrown cases out of court for lack of evidence. The US Attorney General said as much. All that has been put forward are memes, crackpot theories and unsubstantiated nonsense.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

No... That doesn't raise my suspicion or curiosity one bit. It takes them forever to get anything done. I mean, how long did the Russian investigation take... And that ordeal had actual concrete evidence to back it up.

As far as my interest in it as a taxpayer.. lol. My taxes get squandered on shit I disagree with on a regular basis, this is way down the list of concerns.

Ratcliffe already indicated that there was indications of foreign interference though. He was conflicted about whether to sign and release the report “as is” on December 18 or allow them to finish it.

If there’s absolutely nothing to it, it should be quick and easy to wrap it up and tie a bow around it - Case closed, so long Trump. That would definitely close another chapter in this saga.

 

[Millard]

I find it difficult to overstate the significance of this terrorist attack. It was the U.S. Capitol building which is home to Congress and a main seat of power for the United States government. Congress was in session to certify the election of Joe Biden. Everyone in the world knew that many of the most powerful people in the government were present including the three top individuals in the Presidential line of succession as well as the VP-elect. To attack when all of these people are in the same place at the same time... Wow - this is a big fucking deal.

FBI focuses on whether some Capitol rioters intended to harm lawmakers or take hostages​

David Laufman, a former federal prosecutor who was a senior Justice Department official during the 9/11 terrorist attacks, said Wednesday’s mayhem was uniquely scarring for the country.

“This is the greatest threat to our national security since Sept. 11, and a more dangerous, insidious threat, because unlike the attack on Sept. 11, our very democracy is now at stake,” Laufman said. “And there can be no higher priority for the Department of Justice and the FBI than to surge investigative efforts to hold accountable everyone who was responsible for the attack on the U.S. Capitol, including any individuals who incited that attack.”

Laufman said that it was “fair to say that the intentions of every individual among the horde that invaded the Capitol like Visigoths were not uniform.”

“But it does appear, based on what’s in the public record now, that some held malignant intention to do harm to elected representatives, to the physical embodiment of our democracy, to derail the formalization of President-elect Biden’s election,” he said. “And it will take investigative work to parse out who was responsible for what and who held what intentions.”

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...99ae5a-5202-11eb-83e3-322644d82356_story.html

 

[Eman]

If there’s absolutely nothing to it, it should be quick and easy to wrap it up and tie a bow around it - Case closed, so long Trump. That would definitely close another chapter in this saga.

The saga will never end... The Trump family is already doing their part to ensure that it never ends. There will never be a bow tied onto this, even if there was concrete evidence of absolutely zero voter fraud.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised at all if there was voter fraud... That doesn't seem unlikely at all. It didn't seem unlikely in the last election either. But, I've never really bought into the idea that it could ever be enough to sway an entire election. It just seems entirely too far fetched to be done and gotten away with. The only voter fraud I've seen concrete evidence of was in my state and it was Trump voters, and they were caught within days of the election, IIRC.

 

[RGL90]

It was never a breach to harm , a breach to misidentify , because they know there side is to veiled over the eyes to recognize ...just one last attempt and convincing there weak minded people trumped supporters are bad . Anyways on to my next point why I initially signed on, has any one heard the latest , trump about to announce I believe it’s called the insurrection act, putting homeland security or defense and military in control? I read something about it moments ago , him playing it this way until the end to see who was on his side and who isn’t . I think I can confidently say the military always has had his back , and initially approached him before 2016 to run , I was reading . Some one clarify or correct me that actually has skin in the game . Not you mindless ( no offense )

 

[RGL90]

I also heard last night , Chinese approached democratic s and offered military assistance in transition in power and some say Chinese groups have already entered through Canadian boarder ? Any opinions on this

 

[Heynow]

It would require admitting that your "team" did something wrong. People will justify all sorts of nonsense that they were previously opposed to if the people perpetrating the nonsense are politically aligned with them.

That's the problem with people who are strongly partisan: they've traded reason and logic for sophistry and whataboutism. Logical consistency isn't even a concern. That goes for both the left and the right.

I condemn all acts of terrorism, period. Show me where I did otherwise. What makes one think I was trying to make a point with my post? That was simply a few comparisons of what’s been going on in the world and both are wrong, it’s interesting to see who responds And how the media has handled it all. That’s all.

 

[BodyMechanic]

Even Ted Cruz has condemned the terrorists...

The 99% have. There is no excise for it. The fringes end up staining everyone.

 

[BodyMechanic]

No... That doesn't raise my suspicion or curiosity one bit. It takes them forever to get anything done. I mean, how long did the Russian investigation take... And that ordeal had actual concrete evidence to back it up.

As far as my interest in it as a taxpayer.. lol. My taxes get squandered on shit I disagree with on a regular basis, this is way down the list of concerns.

The Russian instigation that yielded ZERO? That one? Wait Adam? Adam Schiff, is this you? You wanna get swole now and looking for a source?

Bro the Russian investigation was a sham to try and get rid of Trump. And after all of the money and time they had zilch! Andrew Wisemann, the ultimate hack, threw out his arm on this one and come out with nothing. You are dreaming again.

 

[BodyMechanic]

I also heard last night , Chinese approached democratic s and offered military assistance in transition in power and some say Chinese groups have already entered through Canadian boarder ? Any opinions on this

I think this thread is now going off the deep end.

 

[RGL90]

I think this thread is now going off the deep end.

I mean it’s in the google search thread . And my brother everything we’re talking about is off the deep end . But thanks for your opinion ,I’ll rest easy

 

[BodyMechanic]

I mean it’s in the google search thread . And my brother everything we’re talking about is off the deep end . But thanks for your opinion ,I’ll rest easy

I don't agree bro. We can go back and forth on a lot of things, but now you're really asking for us to consider some insane shit [emoji23]

 

[Eman]

The Russian instigation that yielded ZERO? That one? Wait Adam? Adam Schiff, is this you? You wanna get swole now and looking for a source?

Bro the Russian investigation was a sham to try and get rid of Trump. And after all of the money and time they had zilch! Andrew Wisemann, the ultimate hack, threw out his arm on this one and come out with nothing. You are dreaming again.

We must be talking about two different russian investigations. The one I'm referring to yielded 34 indictments. FFS, Trump OPENLY admitted that he was WILLING to collude with a foreign country to win this election...

The list of Trump associates facing prison stretches down the block and around the corner, how many more need arrested before you have to admit that there's a lot of clearly illegal shit going on in Trump's circle? I guess it's easier to blame the left but how long can you honestly do that before you start to feel foolish? Can one side of the political spectrum really be the source of all of your problems? If that's the case, you're a victim of the tribalism that Trump created.