Why did you get into homebrew? What was your threshold for making it worth it?

[MulberryTrees]

Starting to read about homebrewing and considering if it's worth it. Here's my reasoning:

Steroids carry risks, but having accepted that, harm reduction is still the #1 priorty. Part of harm reduction for me means sticking to (arguably) "safer" compounds: test, hGH, primo, anavar, and trest. Most of these are pricey, especially since as a newbie I'm buying finished gear.

Another part of harm reduction is verifying quality. I'm going to sources that offer store credit or reimbursement for testing, but this obviously isn't possible every order. Long term I'd still be at risk for selective scamming, or even just honest mistakes like mislabeled vials. And personally paying for frequent lab testing is cost-prohibitive.

So the solution seems to be to go homebrew. I can buy and test a year's worth of raws for cheaper than doing the same with finished product, and I'll always have peace of mind.

On paper that sounds great, and brewing seems fairly accessible. But are there good reasons I shouldn't jump into it? Obviously it's not for everyone. So when in your AAS use did you first start to brew, and what was your main motivation? How did your first attempt go, and what do you know now that you wish you knew then?

 

[theotherguy]

Aside from the legal aspect, I don’t think there’s any reason anyone shouldn’t get into homebrewing. As long as you can do basic math and have a clean place to do it, I think it’s completely worth it

But I suppose if you only run very little gear, it may not be worth it. I think my initial investment, before raws was about $150

 

[MulberryTrees]

But I suppose if you only run very little gear, it may not be worth it. I think my initial investment, before raws was about $150

Yeah $150 isn't bad at all. I'm seeing a lot of consumable costs, but I'm guessing that initial $150 should still last you for a while?

I've been thinking, even if I'm not running tons of gear, long term it might still be worth it. Vacuum sealed raws stored in the fridge can maintain potency for years, right?

And even though I'm super new to all this, I already feel the itch to hoard gear "just in case"...

 

[Cashton]

I used to be an operator of a drug lab, in a previous life, but in this life, I do steroids, eat food and hit the gym, with all that, it just made sense to homebrew, also the prices.. you can’t beat homebrew for value.

 

[Eman]

Cost effectiveness. Especially with orals... once you start doing the math, it's hard to understand why anyone that blasts/cruises wouldn't homebrew. It CAN be tedious though...

 

[juicebro]

Cost effectiveness. Especially with orals... once you start doing the math, it's hard to understand why anyone that blasts/cruises wouldn't homebrew. It CAN be tedious though...

If you bulk order gear it comes down to something like 10 euros a vial of test, 17 for tren ace and mast etc. In other words it's already cheap as hell and I don't see a reason to mess around. It only seems worth it if you don't have any good sources and use large dosages.

 

[Cashton]

If you bulk order gear it comes down to something like 10 euros a vial of test, 17 for tren ace and mast etc. In other words it's already cheap as hell and I don't see a reason to mess around. It only seems worth it if you don't have any good sources and use large dosages.

10 euro compared to 1$ For vial of test, and 17 euro compared to 6-7$ for tren or mast.. and if you buy raws in larger amounts you can cut your price down to around half of those that I listed.

 

[Eman]

If you bulk order gear it comes down to something like 10 euros a vial of test, 17 for tren ace and mast etc. In other words it's already cheap as hell and I don't see a reason to mess around. It only seems worth it if you don't have any good sources and use large dosages.

No one said it isn't cheap.... I said cost effectiveness. Brewing from raws is the most cost effective option.

I would never buy a $10 vial of testosterone from a source lol... I'm not necessarily trying to buy the cheapest shit, I want the option that gives me the most value.

 

[klokke23]

You can't get legit gear in Norway.

 

[Oroku_Saki]

I Brew because I don't trust any lab when it comes to sterility and the components used. If I do order from a lab (exotic things for which it is not worth ordering raws), I still filter it again into sterile vials.
In addition, it is cost efficient and relatively safe from a legal point of view.
Besides, almost all pharmaceutical products give me PIP, my home-made solutions almost never do.

 

[MFAAS]

I am thinking I will end up brewing at some point. I mean I have spent a LOT of money on UGL gear. The only thing stopping me is that I need a GOOD US DOMESTIC RAW SOURCE. I will not order from overseas. I am on customers poop list so everything from overseas gets scrutinized.

I would just have to figure out how to explain what I am doing to the wifey and truly calculate the total cost of brewing vs just buying. I know dragon also sells the unfinished oils that really just need to be filtered and those are way cheaper. Idk how much I trust his products though

 

[jJjburton]

Its worth it 100%. You can get a year's worth of HEAVY blast and cruise for the same price as one 10 week cycle with just 2 compounds. And you control the sterility.

 

[RoidmeDangerfield]

I may go the route of home brewing at some point. If I can find a domestic source (US) that has a good reputation for quality raw powders I'd buy enough to last me at year or two. I'm doing this for economic reasons but also just to know that I can set myself up supply-wise for a long period of time. The last two sources I used for finished products are no longer around. The vetting process to do this takes too much time.

 

[H&M]

Buy the API-->test it about quality-->brew
Cost effective hobby&fun.

 

[Parabolic]

And you control the sterility.

This was the big selling point for me.

I know my shit I make is made in a clean sterile environment. Plus getting powders of recent has been easier than getting vials.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

I did it to get a hold of primo and try it for the first time, because I didn't want to pay out of the ass for it. Certainly worth it, and now I will never buy UGL again.

 

[z666z]

As long as you have a reshipper ordering raws is the only way to go.

You never know when a source is gonna have floaters or exit scam.

And thanks to Jano we know that brewed gear starts to degrade fairly rapidly. So keeping raws on hand to brew fresh when needed seems like the smart approach.

I keep a 20-100 year supply of everything I need and store it in a manner that will hopefully keep should something happen and China goes to the shitter or we get into a war, I'll know before the nukes hit at least I have plenty of gear to make it through the nuclear winter. There's nothing more terrifying in life than running out of raws.

 

[bundfalke]

I didnt want to import raws from china. So many people just order from PPL or whatever without a second thought. Do you have any idea what happens if they catch you and choose to chase after you? You got cought with GRAMS or kgs of steroid compounds. They'll see you as one of the big fish. It can fuck up your life.
Once i found out there are some who had domestic reshippers i jumped on the band wagon. Its so much cheaper to brew. Its also kind of fun as you can experiment and brew stuff you rarely see around. Also good when the apocalypse hits, everyone looks like a skeleton because food is scarce but you'll be fucking shredded

 

[NBE]

Part of harm reduction for me means sticking to (arguably) "safer" compounds: test, hGH, primo, anavar, and trest. Most of these are pricey, especially since as a newbie I'm buying finished gear.

Trest is not a safer compound. This need to be fucking squashed.

stop with the trest bullshit EVERYONE for fucks sake

 

[MulberryTrees]

Trest is not a safer compound. This need to be fucking squashed.

stop with the trest bullshit EVERYONE for fucks sake

If it's not safe, please, help squash it. In the interest of harm reduction, assist the community by elaborating on why trest is dangerous. I fully admit my understanding is limited.

My impression of its safety is mainly based on studies investigating it for male contraception and androgen replacement monotherapy. (1 2 3) But the fact that it never went to market obviously raises some questions. This is why I put "safer" in quotes--there's no long-term data on its health impact, aside from (from what I can find) studies showing that it is prostate-safe, to some degree neuroprotective, and rapidly reversible in terms of azoospermia.

I also agree that there's been a lot of fanfare for trest lately, largely originating from one place, and that it's important not to accept it uncritically. The problem is that there haven't been any thorough rebuttals yet, aside from this post by Type-IIx about the estrogenicity of MENT. So whatever you can contribute, please do.