500-750. What I mean is don’t throw in the kitchen sink listen to the advice on this board basically
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
People that started AAS in their early/mid 20's. What would you do differently now?
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Silent Caracal
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Think about it this way: testosterone increases your rate of muscle protein synthesis. The greater your muscle mass, the greater your rate of muscle protein breakdown. So if you gain 20lbs muscle in your first cycle, then assuming you have kept that muscle on when you start your second cycle, obviously you'd need more gear to gain another 20lbs muscle for your second cycle. That doesn't have to do with how many cycles you've run in the past, but rather how much muscle you're carrying. But hoping to gain 20lbs cycle after cycle by upping your dosage is a fool's errand (unless you start using GH and insulin).
Silent Caracal
Member
Yea 500 is a nice, low, generally well-tolerated dose for bulking. Pinning EOD and taking cialis, you might even be able to forego using an AI.
For cutting, 200 is good.
Silent Caracal
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I'm curious, I haven't used deca because I never really had a reason to. What was your experience with it like?
BCBuilder
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Appreciate you setting me straight on that, that makes a lot more sense than what I thought initially lol.
BCBuilder
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Ah I see so keep the test dose modest and don't start stacking a bunch of random shit. If I were to stack anything along with 500 test it would be anavar, or maybe winny but I doubt I would get that spicy
Silent Caracal
Member
For a first cycle, winstrol is definitely NOT what you want. Winstrol is for drying out when you're in contest prep mode. It can wreak havoc on your joints.
Anavar is not bad for a kickstart. Tbol is mild so that works too.
BCBuilder
Member
Tbol typically results in more water retention right? Or is that dbol I'm thinking of.
Also possibly dumb question, do people still supplement creatine while on a cycle? Or does it become redundant/just another stress on organs?
MisterSuperGod
New Member
"People that started AAS in their early/mid 20's. What would you do differently now?"
If i could go back and change anything, i think i definitely would've started when i was 10 years old.
Nah, i wouldn't change much. The stupid dosages when i had no idea what i was doing would be the main thing i would change.
i've come and gone from this lifestyle a number of times in the last 20+ years. The long gaps of time off in between isn't something i look back on and think of as a bad thing though.
If i could go back and change anything, i think i definitely would've started when i was 10 years old.
Nah, i wouldn't change much. The stupid dosages when i had no idea what i was doing would be the main thing i would change.
i've come and gone from this lifestyle a number of times in the last 20+ years. The long gaps of time off in between isn't something i look back on and think of as a bad thing though.
BCBuilder
Member
So something more like 500 test prop + anavar or tbol like someone else recommended for 14 weeks? Or even less than that
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Canknucklehead
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500-600mg would be a good starting test cycle dose (per week)
If you do decide to do a cycle, you will get great results your first cycle as long as diet, training, and rest is up to par. After that you will still get results but they won’t come as quick as your first cycle.
With that being said you don’t have to necessarily increase your dose every time. Food is the best anabolic..if you can’t grow on test and some tren with heavy lifting and heavy eating. This probably isn’t the sport for you.
I was trying to not touch this post as you should do your research and come to your own conclusions.
I would get serious earlier and not waste time in my 20s partying and chasing girls.... although now that I think about it I wouldn’t necessarily want to be bigger and not have had those fun times either.
Make your own decisions and just ask us for help.
Good luck either way
If you do decide to do a cycle, you will get great results your first cycle as long as diet, training, and rest is up to par. After that you will still get results but they won’t come as quick as your first cycle.
With that being said you don’t have to necessarily increase your dose every time. Food is the best anabolic..if you can’t grow on test and some tren with heavy lifting and heavy eating. This probably isn’t the sport for you.
I was trying to not touch this post as you should do your research and come to your own conclusions.
I would get serious earlier and not waste time in my 20s partying and chasing girls.... although now that I think about it I wouldn’t necessarily want to be bigger and not have had those fun times either.
Make your own decisions and just ask us for help.
Good luck either way
OmL
Member
I run 20 week cycles, and honestly, by the end I’m just so fucking tired. Strains and minor injuries start to pile up and I just feel like ass and can’t wait for the blast to be over. I’ll be cruising now until the end of spring, and I’ll be running 8-10 week cycles from then of test prop and, if I’m brave enough, Tren Acetate.
GuerillaPete
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If you dont want to be on testosterone the rest of your life dont do it!
Or if you are hell set on doing it do just 400-500 test prop 3 shots a week and do it max 8-10 weeks than pct see how that feels than think about it now knowing what are the benefits and what are the side effects and make up your mind becouse most people that do AAS end up on trt and pct is just not worth it in the long run!
Or if you are hell set on doing it do just 400-500 test prop 3 shots a week and do it max 8-10 weeks than pct see how that feels than think about it now knowing what are the benefits and what are the side effects and make up your mind becouse most people that do AAS end up on trt and pct is just not worth it in the long run!
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Delphi
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I would have started taking my Flinstone Vitamins Earlier. The first time I took a little Barney, my bench press went up 75 lbs. Since then, I've doubled up on dosage, and can now bench over 500 lbs.
BCBuilder
Member
Appreciate it! Definitely not looking for any permission or anything like that, just want to make sure I know what I need to know and the extent of what I will be setting myself up for down the road.500-600mg would be a good starting test cycle dose (per week)
If you do decide to do a cycle, you will get great results your first cycle as long as diet, training, and rest is up to par. After that you will still get results but they won’t come as quick as your first cycle.
With that being said you don’t have to necessarily increase your dose every time. Food is the best anabolic..if you can’t grow on test and some tren with heavy lifting and heavy eating. This probably isn’t the sport for you.
I was trying to not touch this post as you should do your research and come to your own conclusions.
I would get serious earlier and not waste time in my 20s partying and chasing girls.... although now that I think about it I wouldn’t necessarily want to be bigger and not have had those fun times either.
Make your own decisions and just ask us for help.
Good luck either way
Never been much of a partier or drinker, and I'm in a committed relationship, so honestly it might the path for me to buckle down and try to achieve something in this world. Not a lot of things going on to distract me
BCBuilder
Member
I understand the reality that once you start with hormones your own production is never quite the same, that's partly why I made this thread in the first place, I just don't want to be another idiot that fucks himself up for life by assuming I know more than I do, and if I do it I want to do it in a way that I can do it for many years without major adverse health effects (in a perfect world, I know that isn't always the reality)
I have had conversations with my doctor and had bloodwork done and and ECG done so I at least know I am starting from a quality baseline
AlwaysHungry
Member
I always want to be in the big boys club as a tall guy 6'4 was hard.
What I would change is don't listen to what people tell me on online boards (with some exceptions of course)
Those guys was telling me to do test only and test anavar and no more than 500mg per week etc 500 test 600 deca is excessive for your size age etc.
Bullshit I'm now on big boys club things does not work that way.
If you do the same cycle over and over what y think gonna happen? Just gain glycogen! You will gain the look and nothing more. If you do the same cycle over and over without increasing dosage and only I creasing g your food you're gonna get "fat"
If you want impressive size and thickness and muscularity.
You got to apply progressive overload on everything including dosage.
I would change that "not listening advices from board gurus"
And as stated above I would change some periods I got off everything gym hormones diet
What I would change is don't listen to what people tell me on online boards (with some exceptions of course)
Those guys was telling me to do test only and test anavar and no more than 500mg per week etc 500 test 600 deca is excessive for your size age etc.
Bullshit I'm now on big boys club things does not work that way.
If you do the same cycle over and over what y think gonna happen? Just gain glycogen! You will gain the look and nothing more. If you do the same cycle over and over without increasing dosage and only I creasing g your food you're gonna get "fat"
If you want impressive size and thickness and muscularity.
You got to apply progressive overload on everything including dosage.
I would change that "not listening advices from board gurus"
And as stated above I would change some periods I got off everything gym hormones diet
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MisterSuperGod
New Member
14 weeks is a bit long to be hammering your liver with orals. i would go into it with 6-8 weeks in mind.
If blood work doesn't come back shitty, then maybe extend it further if you're still feeling that their inclusion is beneficial.
MisterSuperGod
New Member
Anyone that reads your post history can see that you're all about abuse and more is better. Maybe that works for you, but some members here value their health more than looking big.
With some of the shit i've seen you post i sure as hell hope you're making a good living from this lifestyle, otherwise i have to question how smart you truly are.
