People that started AAS in their early/mid 20's. What would you do differently now?

[BCBuilder]

14 weeks is a bit long to be hammering your liver with orals. i would go into it with 6-8 weeks in mind.

If blood work doesn't come back shitty, then maybe extend it further if you're still feeling that their inclusion is beneficial.

6-8 weeks of pounding it hard (food, training, and gear, not only gear) sounds preferable to me

 

[Theworm]

I'm curious, I haven't used deca because I never really had a reason to. What was your experience with it like?

From the beginning I always thought it was better to stack something with test for synergetic effects (1+1=3), and liked how deca didn’t cause a ton of androgenic sides. Back in the 90s there was not much internet and I read MM2000 where dan duchaine was the guru. He always said how safe deca was, probably one of the safest ones there is etc. I have a column where he says it may be better to run deca solo for hrt . Things have changed a lot since then.

Anyway, it’s mentioned it’s a great mass builder but test to me is much more powerful for mass. Again though, I’ve only ran it 12 weeks so maybe I need longer on it. Best thing for me was crazy strength increases and my aching joints feel amazing. I feel like I can lift anything. I’m on 400 test now and 250 deca and loving it.

 

[BCBuilder]

From the beginning I always thought it was better to stack something with test for synergetic effects (1+1=3), and liked how deca didn’t cause a ton of androgenic sides. Back in the 90s there was not much internet and I read MM2000 where dan duchaine was the guru. He always said how safe deca was, probably one of the safest ones there is etc. I have a column where he says it may be better to run deca solo for hrt . Things have changed a lot since then.

Anyway, it’s mentioned it’s a great mass builder but test to me is much more powerful for mass. Again though, I’ve only ran it 12 weeks so maybe I need longer on it. Best thing for me was crazy strength increases and my aching joints feel amazing. I feel like I can lift anything. I’m on 400 test now and 250 deca and loving it.

I think deca will probably be reserved for once I have some cycles under my belt. I want to start with the bread and butter kind of things. I will probably stick an oral with a good dose of test like supergod was suggesting, just to get my toes wet and see if my body is going to be able to put on the mass I want to compete with (I think my stage weight caps out at around 250 for men's classic physique)

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Anyone that reads your post history can see that you're all about abuse and more is better. Maybe that works for you, but some members here value their health more than looking big.

With some of the shit i've seen you post i sure as hell hope you're making a good living from this lifestyle, otherwise i have to question how smart you truly are.

I've abused yeah but only when didn't know better.

My dosages nowadays are not very abusive In relation to my height.
You certainly don't build a physique lean over 100kg or even 100kg with 1g gear, if you're blessed sure you can.
But for normal responders on this heights dosage needs to be raised.
We're talking about what needs to build the impressive size.
I'm taking my time off these days and cruise my bloods are always good my hematocrit stays in range even if I don't donate. Either on a blast or a cruise.
So I don't know where is abuse to blast 2-2.5g gear to gain properly at this heights.
From 78kg (1st blast) till 97kg I haven't blasted higher than 1.3g total gear including orals.
Testo GH peps maybe some slin here and there is the safest and most efficient to gain size imo ime. GH and peps was a game changer for me not high dosages either.

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

So something more like 500 test prop + anavar or tbol like someone else recommended for 14 weeks? Or even less than that

That sounds absolutely miserable for 14 weeks. I did a 12 week test p+ NPP + mast and I was miserable by the end. The eod injections actually hindered my gains now that I look back on it.

simply because I was so fucking sore from sticking needles in me 3-4 times a week.

I personally don’t tolerate injections well I’ve noticed.

 

[Silent Caracal]

That sounds absolutely miserable for 14 weeks. I did a 12 week test p+ NPP + mast and I was miserable by the end. The eod injections actually hindered my gains now that I look back on it.

simply because I was so fucking sore from sticking needles in me 3-4 times a week.

I personally don’t tolerate injections well I’ve noticed.

I do injections EOD and I prefer to inject oils in a muscle after I've exercised it. Injecting before exercising it leads to annoying soreness. That's the only trouble I have. Beyond that, EOD is a breeze for me.

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

I do injections EOD and I prefer to inject oils in a muscle after I've exercised it. Injecting before exercising it leads to annoying soreness. That's the only trouble I have. Beyond that, EOD is a breeze for me.

I’m jealous to be honest. Long ester I can get away with but I enjoyed the actual effects of the short ester cycle way more… not needing to wait 2+ weeks to make changes is so nice.

also I’d start trt right off the bat and never pct. I’ve pcted 4 times and they have gotten worse and worse for me. Never had an issue recovering from anything I sit at 700-800 test levels natty.

the mental side effects stay with me for a good 3+ months after I pct. extremely demotivating, don’t want to train, wanting to sleep 12+ hours.

Returning to natty training is also just awful. Taking steroids has ruined my perception of what should be happening when I lift. I have been off for about a year and I miss The changes you notice every single day. The pumps are different. The feel of the lifts. The feeling of just getting stronger every workout. Being able to recover in half the time. More volume in each workout. It’s just awesome.

 

[BCBuilder]

I’m jealous to be honest. Long ester I can get away with but I enjoyed the actual effects of the short ester cycle way more… not needing to wait 2+ weeks to make changes is so nice.

also I’d start trt right off the bat and never pct. I’ve pcted 4 times and they have gotten worse and worse for me. Never had an issue recovering from anything I sit at 700-800 test levels natty.

the mental side effects stay with me for a good 3+ months after I pct. extremely demotivating, don’t want to train, wanting to sleep 12+ hours.

Returning to natty training is also just awful. Taking steroids has ruined my perception of what should be happening when I lift. I have been off for about a year and I miss The changes you notice every single day. The pumps are different. The feel of the lifts. The feeling of just getting stronger every workout. Being able to recover in half the time. More volume in each workout. It’s just awesome.

So you would have preferred to blast and cruise rather than blast then PCT? I see so many guys saying to just take HCG while on cycle and it make cycling off way easier, but I feel like that's fairly anecdotal. If it's a question of comfort and not having a yo-yo effect on my body, blast and cruise sounds better

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

So you would have preferred to blast and cruise rather than blast then PCT? I see so many guys saying to just take HCG while on cycle and it make cycling off way easier, but I feel like that's fairly anecdotal. If it's a question of comfort and not having a yo-yo effect on my body, blast and cruise sounds better

I personally believe that cruising after a cycle is probably healthier IF you bring it back to true trt ranges. Maybe 1100-1200 test levels. Maybe creep up to 1300-1400 levels as you see your health is in check and you’re young.

I don’t see a point in pct if you’re going to be running more than 1 cycle. Which people say “oh only 1” yeah right.

my levels and bloods always returned to normal. BUT I believe the PCT drugs are just fucking brutal. If you think about it you’re taking anti cancer and fertility drugs… I get hammered by them and lost a lot due to feeling like a sac of shit for 4 months. I can’t sacrifice the mental state due to work and school. So I haven’t ran in about a year. I will start trt and blasting again soon enough.

Take my opinion with a grain of salt. I’ve done 4 moderate cycles started at 20 and I’m 23 now. Been on here for all those years though.

 

[Silent Caracal]

So you would have preferred to blast and cruise rather than blast then PCT? I see so many guys saying to just take HCG while on cycle and it make cycling off way easier, but I feel like that's fairly anecdotal. If it's a question of comfort and not having a yo-yo effect on my body, blast and cruise sounds better

One of the issues with PCTing is that after 4 months of not producing testosterone, it takes a while to get them functioning 100%. Run HCG 250IU EOD and that will keep your testes "awake".

That being said, if you're planning on running multiple cycles, why PCT? You're just creating work for yourself by harming your body composition and health when you PCT.

 

[BCBuilder]

I personally believe that cruising after a cycle is probably healthier IF you bring it back to true trt ranges. Maybe 1100-1200 test levels. Maybe creep up to 1300-1400 levels as you see your health is in check and you’re young.

I don’t see a point in pct if you’re going to be running more than 1 cycle. Which people say “oh only 1” yeah right.

my levels and bloods always returned to normal. BUT I believe the PCT drugs are just fucking brutal. If you think about it you’re taking anti cancer and fertility drugs… I get hammered by them and lost a lot due to feeling like a sac of shit for 4 months. I can’t sacrifice the mental state due to work and school. So I haven’t ran in about a year. I will start trt and blasting again soon enough.

Take my opinion with a grain of salt. I’ve done 4 moderate cycles started at 20 and I’m 23 now. Been on here for all those years though.

Yeah ok I like your ideology here. If you are going to be enhanced, keep it consistent and allow your body to expect what's coming rather than ridiculously high highs and low lows.

Seeing my mother on some of these PCT drugs to fight breast cancer made me realize the reality of what this world is, advanced pharmacology lol. Not something I should assume and guess when doing. Appreciate the insight

 

[BCBuilder]

One of the issues with PCTing is that after 4 months of not producing testosterone, it takes a while to get them functioning 100%. Run HCG 250IU EOD and that will keep your testes "awake".

That being said, if you're planning on running multiple cycles, why PCT? You're just creating work for yourself by harming your body composition and health when you PCT.

I like your thinking. If I'm going to do it, do it and get the most ROI without throwing my system through crazy phases, and treat it as a growth phase and just do the due diligence of getting bloods taken and being open with my doctor. Also I have experienced some slight hormone fluctuations when I quit smoking and even just that was fucking brutal so I can't imagine how it is to go from supraphisiological to basically female test levels after a good blast. Appreciate the insight

 

[Theworm]

I’m jealous to be honest. Long ester I can get away with but I enjoyed the actual effects of the short ester cycle way more… not needing to wait 2+ weeks to make changes is so nice.

also I’d start trt right off the bat and never pct. I’ve pcted 4 times and they have gotten worse and worse for me. Never had an issue recovering from anything I sit at 700-800 test levels natty.

the mental side effects stay with me for a good 3+ months after I pct. extremely demotivating, don’t want to train, wanting to sleep 12+ hours.

Returning to natty training is also just awful. Taking steroids has ruined my perception of what should be happening when I lift. I have been off for about a year and I miss The changes you notice every single day. The pumps are different. The feel of the lifts. The feeling of just getting stronger every workout. Being able to recover in half the time. More volume in each workout. It’s just awesome.

What do you mean you been off for a year?

 

[Theworm]

I like your thinking. If I'm going to do it, do it and get the most ROI without throwing my system through crazy phases, and treat it as a growth phase and just do the due diligence of getting bloods taken and being open with my doctor. Also I have experienced some slight hormone fluctuations when I quit smoking and even just that was fucking brutal so I can't imagine how it is to go from supraphisiological to basically female test levels after a good blast. Appreciate the insight

Wait before you do this. I really imo believe blasts and cruises should be used by people who are more experienced, maybe at least in your 30s, who failed pcts. It’s a big commitment that can ruin fertility and your decision one day to be natural. What’s ur TT now? How old are you?

 

[BCBuilder]

Wait before you do this. I really imo believe blasts and cruises should be used by people who are more experienced, maybe at least in your 30s, who failed pcts. It’s a big commitment that can ruin fertility and your decision one day to be natural. What’s ur TT now? How old are you?

My Total test when I checked in September was 660 ng/DL or something along those lines, I am not hopping on gear in any rush, mainly trying to learn and plan out what my future will be like right now

Currently 21, bare minimum not running gear until I do one show and assess if I have the work ethic to do the hard shit (getting stage ready)

Will be waiting till at least 23 to run anything, and as I mentioned my weight caps around 250, so I won't be doing this in the context that an open bodybuilder would, more like a Chris bumstead vibe (I know he isn't running "small" doses though, just smaller than open BB)

 

[Ironman580]

My Total test when I checked in September was 660 ng/DL or something along those lines, I am not hopping on gear in any rush, mainly trying to learn and plan out what my future will be like right now

Currently 21, bare minimum not running gear until I do one show and assess if I have the work ethic to do the hard shit (getting stage ready)

Will be waiting till at least 23 to run anything, and as I mentioned my weight caps around 250, so I won't be doing this in the context that an open bodybuilder would, more like a Chris bumstead vibe (I know he isn't running "small" doses though, just smaller than open BB)

Bro - how do u know what doses Chris B runs- cmon man you are rediculous/ your weight caps off at 250 - u don’t even have a clue what u are saying man

 

[Theworm]

My Total test when I checked in September was 660 ng/DL or something along those lines, I am not hopping on gear in any rush, mainly trying to learn and plan out what my future will be like right now

Currently 21, bare minimum not running gear until I do one show and assess if I have the work ethic to do the hard shit (getting stage ready)

Will be waiting till at least 23 to run anything, and as I mentioned my weight caps around 250, so I won't be doing this in the context that an open bodybuilder would, more like a Chris bumstead vibe (I know he isn't running "small" doses though, just smaller than open BB)

Very reasonable approach.

My TT was 380s in my 20s and I’ve pct many times and it wasn’t fun at all. Lost all my gains during so. When I was 34 I stopped everything did scaly pct and 4 months later my TT was 144. So blast and cruise was a no brained for me.

Not telling you to do this, but some hrt clinics gave me test and anavar in my 20s... legal and don’t have to worry about it being bunk

 

[Theworm]

Bro - how do u know what doses Chris B runs- cmon man you are rediculous/ your weight caps off at 250 - u don’t even have a clue what u are saying man

C bum runs test 500mg as his cruise. That’s a blast for me

 

[BCBuilder]

Bro - how do u know what doses Chris B runs- cmon man you are rediculous/ your weight caps off at 250 - u don’t even have a clue what u are saying man

Almost seems like that's why I'm here or something doesn't it?

 

[BCBuilder]

Very reasonable approach.

My TT was 380s in my 20s and I’ve pct many times and it wasn’t fun at all. Lost all my gains during so. When I was 34 I stopped everything did scaly pct and 4 months later my TT was 144. So blast and cruise was a no brained for me.

Not telling you to do this, but some hrt clinics gave me test and anavar in my 20s... legal and don’t have to worry about it being bunk

I'm Canadian so If I understand the gear climate I will most likely be going UGL, that being said I can get my stuff tested with no risk to myself legally or otherwise so that's a big plus. Definelty won't be getting prescribed anything at the moment though lmao. So I will have to start with UGL when it is time